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System76 and Framework both exist. Nvidia just released their drivers as open source. What a time to be alive.

endgame 4y ago
And this is why we must never give up and "be pragmatic". We need to get things done today, sure, but we must also never stop pushing for a freer tomorrow.
- Brian_K_White 4y ago
  This. In the entire history of the world, nothing ever got better by accepting what is. Be the sand in the gears any time the gears don't work for you or for the common good.
  - genericone 4y ago
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw
    - likeclockwork 4y ago
      “I was always willing to be reasonable until I had to be unreasonable. Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things.” — Marvin Heemeyer
ekianjo 4y ago
> Nvidia just released their drivers as open source Not at all. They just released the kernel modules which is a tiny part of what is needed to make GPU work. > System76 and Framework Lenovo has been around for a very long time and their thinkpads have been repairable well before these two brands ever shipped anything.
- BaseballPhysics 4y ago
  As a long time ThinkPad/Lenovo fan, suggesting that Lenovo's repairability is in the same league as the Framework suggests to me you've never actually worked with a Framework. It really is on a whole other level.
  - h-w 4y ago
    Are you joking? Thinkpads for decades have had all the parts replaceable with off the shelf components. Framework is barely caught up with my 2008 thinkpad lol.
    - RealStickman_ 4y ago
      Have you looked at any more recent thinkpads?
    - Rebelgecko 4y ago
      Framework's hardware is nice because it takes advantage of CPUs, ports, RAM, screens etc that are more recent than 2008 I know for some old ThinkPads (edit: The IBM branded T60 from 2006) you can get a custom motherboard that works with modern CPUs, but the price for the mobo alone is more than a Framework laptop
    - drewzero1 4y ago
      I also have a 2008 and a 2009 Thinkpad. I've looked at some recent ones and we've lost so much since then.
    - smaudet 4y ago
      Can you custom design parts with pinouts for your 2008 thinkpad? If not, I'm not sure I believe you know what you are talking about - its nice lenovo (in past) has been so rugged, repairable, but using reverse engineered parts is a very different thing to a set of components that can be extended. Put it like this - can you put a lenovo part on a framework laptop? No? Why? Until you can, Framework is in a whole different category....
    - 4y ago
goodpoint 4y ago
> What a time to be alive. What?! It's 2022 and all CPUs and chipsets are closed source, incredibly complex, designed by very few companies and manufactured by a monopolist (TSMC). End users are increasing using laptop and phones (instead of desktops) that are entirely proprietary and not modular. All hardware runs tons of closed source software below ring 0, with no way to remove it for 99.9% of users. Hardware security vulnerabilities abound. As complexity increases every year, reliably detecting bugdoors/backdoors has become a pipe dream.
- troyvit 4y ago
  Everything you say is true. It's been true to some degree since the beginning of consumer-level computing. What is also true though is that open companies like Framework and System76 (who I work for) actually are developing the power and scale to push back on this paradigm and ... sorry for the drama ... bring out a new era of open hardware, software and firmware. It's so hard to claw back freedom from these megaliths, but it is actually happening.

And this is why we must never give up and "be pragmatic". We need to get things done today, sure, but we must also never stop pushing for a freer tomorrow.

Brian_K_White 4y ago
This. In the entire history of the world, nothing ever got better by accepting what is. Be the sand in the gears any time the gears don't work for you or for the common good.
- genericone 4y ago
  “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw
  - likeclockwork 4y ago
    “I was always willing to be reasonable until I had to be unreasonable. Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things.” — Marvin Heemeyer

ekianjo 4y ago

> Nvidia just released their drivers as open source Not at all. They just released the kernel modules which is a tiny part of what is needed to make GPU work. > System76 and Framework Lenovo has been around for a very long time and their thinkpads have been repairable well before these two brands ever shipped anything.

BaseballPhysics 4y ago
As a long time ThinkPad/Lenovo fan, suggesting that Lenovo's repairability is in the same league as the Framework suggests to me you've never actually worked with a Framework. It really is on a whole other level.
- h-w 4y ago
  Are you joking? Thinkpads for decades have had all the parts replaceable with off the shelf components. Framework is barely caught up with my 2008 thinkpad lol.
  - RealStickman_ 4y ago
    Have you looked at any more recent thinkpads?
  - Rebelgecko 4y ago
    Framework's hardware is nice because it takes advantage of CPUs, ports, RAM, screens etc that are more recent than 2008 I know for some old ThinkPads (edit: The IBM branded T60 from 2006) you can get a custom motherboard that works with modern CPUs, but the price for the mobo alone is more than a Framework laptop
  - drewzero1 4y ago
    I also have a 2008 and a 2009 Thinkpad. I've looked at some recent ones and we've lost so much since then.
  - smaudet 4y ago
    Can you custom design parts with pinouts for your 2008 thinkpad? If not, I'm not sure I believe you know what you are talking about - its nice lenovo (in past) has been so rugged, repairable, but using reverse engineered parts is a very different thing to a set of components that can be extended. Put it like this - can you put a lenovo part on a framework laptop? No? Why? Until you can, Framework is in a whole different category....
  - 4y ago

goodpoint 4y ago

> What a time to be alive. What?! It's 2022 and all CPUs and chipsets are closed source, incredibly complex, designed by very few companies and manufactured by a monopolist (TSMC). End users are increasing using laptop and phones (instead of desktops) that are entirely proprietary and not modular. All hardware runs tons of closed source software below ring 0, with no way to remove it for 99.9% of users. Hardware security vulnerabilities abound. As complexity increases every year, reliably detecting bugdoors/backdoors has become a pipe dream.

troyvit 4y ago
Everything you say is true. It's been true to some degree since the beginning of consumer-level computing. What is also true though is that open companies like Framework and System76 (who I work for) actually are developing the power and scale to push back on this paradigm and ... sorry for the drama ... bring out a new era of open hardware, software and firmware. It's so hard to claw back freedom from these megaliths, but it is actually happening.