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Cities with Nice Weather
- deepnotderp 4y agoWeather isn’t just temperature. Bogotá has perfect temperature but is cloudier than Seattle.
- onionisafruit 4y agoSeattle has pretty good weather too, if you only consider temperature.
- grapeskin 4y agoSeattle has great weather. Less rain than Midwest and east coast US cities and never too hot or too cold.
- cheeze 4y agoExcept the part where it's May and it's still raining this year, damnit.
- freeqaz 4y agoHopefully that helps the fires this year when it eventually gets hot, at the very least! It's nice to not have to worry about drought, as well. (That's a huge reason why I moved to Seattle from SF.)
- allset_ 4y agoIt gets too hot a couple weeks every year. 90F+ for days and even in the evening it doesn't drop that much which is rough when most people don't have AC.
- SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago> Seattle has great weather. Less rain than Midwest I know someone who had a depressive episode after moving to Seattle because, "it's raining. It's just a thick, settling mist. But it hasn't stopped, for 100 days"
- sangel 4y agoIt is 40 degrees F right now… in mid May. And has been all month and basically all year since last November. I don’t see how you can call that good temperature.
- runarberg 4y agoI moved here from Reykjavík, and I’m loving this spring.
- turtlebits 4y agoIt was absolutely beautiful on Tues/Wed. High 50's and sunny. (Maybe I'm used to it, but 40s/50s in the spring when the sun is out is unbeatable). IMO, Seattle has the best summers (save last years heat wave). Nice weather from May - September.
- bogomipz 4y agoIsn't it Medellín though thats known as the "city of eternal spring" because of the weather?
- aunty_helen 4y agoYes, Bogota is more much larger, more polluted, worse traffic, colder and at a high altitude (Medellin is about 1500m, Bogota 2600m). It has rained pretty much every day this year in Medellin though. Still it's 20c Edit: Begins to rain
- goeiedaggoeie 4y agoI am here as well. It looks like La Nina this year. Even though it has rained a lot the weather is still incredible. I originally come from Cape Town and Medellin is the most perfect weather I have ever lived in.
- el-salvador 4y agoGuatemala has nice spring weather too because of altitude. It ranges from +13C to +23C. With extremes being +7C or +28C depending on the time of the year.
- classichasclass 4y agoSan Diego should rank highly on this list.
- oh_sigh 4y agoI traveled there for work once in February and it was sunny and high 60s the entire week. I could only think of how grossly unfair it was that people were allowed to live like that. I saw a guy rollerblading with no shirt on.
- fy20 4y agoWhere I live it's like that too... for maybe one week a year.
- Nursie 4y agoSimilar winter climate here in Perth, Western Australia. But high 60s feels cold when you regularly get summer days over 100 and it occasionally hits the low hundred-teens...
- donthellbanme 4y agoAs a kid, I used to visit my cousins in San Diego, and two summers in a row we had heat waves. Even though I loved my cousins, the humidity/heat was enough for me to beg to go home. I remember feeling the fog on the Golden Gate bridge going north, and I was just relieved. I helped a friend move from Joplin, MO. ten years ago. I actually brought my bicycle because daily exercise helped with my anxiety/depression. I got off the plane, and that thick moist hot air hit me. I knew there will be no exercise. My best buddy had a big 7-11 Big Gulp drink in his hand for me. I asked if it's always this hot. He said this is actually mild. We were both very broke, and figured I'd get used to the heat. My job was to move him from Joblin to San Rafael. We were beyond co-dependants, and best friends for years. He took me to his house. It was a small home his father had build in the 40's. He didn't have money to air condition the entire house, but he put up sheets on the kitchen in place of doors. He had one window air conditioner, and that is where we lived for two weeks. He was getting over his mother's passing. In the morning he said, "Just trust me on how to survive the heat.". We would basically just hydrate all day, and look for air conditioning. He smoked heavily, and was just better with the heat than me. He was much older than me, but I was a fat boy. (I noticed the successful, productive Missourian's went from air conditioned homes, to air conditioned cars, to air conditioned offices. The poor just sweltered.) I miss you Robert. You were a good friend.
- ricardo81 4y agoWeather seems like the classic the grass is greener elsewhere. I see Edinburgh ranks well which I live near. Had also lived near Toronto and can vouch for the less extreme temperature variance in Scotland. The seasons are less well defined here, it's quite normal to have all 4 seasons in a day.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y agoIn the high desert of the US southwest (6000'/1800m and above), it is not unusual to see diurnal temperature swings of 30F/16C or close to it. It's completely normal for at least 2 seasons a year to need an insulated jacket in the morning and evening, a light sweater just after and before the jacket is removed/added, and a t-shirt or similar for the middle of the day. Of course, the chance of rain is close to zero outside of any monsoon season that may or may not occur.
- cagey 4y agoDitto: I'm in the southwest (SE AZ) at 4700': Tomorrow 58°F low / 90°F high (32°F delta); Saturday 61°F low / 94°F high (33°F delta). An approximate 30°F diurnal swing is pretty much the norm year-round here. Your comment about precip and monsoon season applies too.
- addaon 4y agoI'm in the southwest at 5000', and if anything you're understating it. To choose convenient arbitrary samples: Tomorrow 40°F low / 82°F high (42°F delta); Saturday 45°F low / 90°F high (45°F delta). Even 60°F swing isn't unheard of.
- reactspa 4y agoNice analysis, but... ...here's something I find astonishing. The word "R" doesn't appear anywhere in this article. He doesn't mention anywhere that he's using "R", and within "R" he's using the "tidyverse". So much good work to write a tutorial, but a rank beginner will have a hard time figuring out how to replicate it.
- thefringthing 4y agoI will consider adding a section mentioning the tools! (I'm the author of this page.)
- yreg 4y agoI really like the design/typography of the article. Pleasant and elegant.
- thefringthing 4y agoIt's a recreation of the style used by Edward Tufte, who wrote an influential book on data visualization.
- hughlilly 4y agoYeah I had no idea what he was using til I read your comment. I thought it was Python but it didn't look enough like Python…
- redrobein 4y agoThe code blocks blending in with the rest of the post and the code itself is very aesthetically pleasing. I thought it was julia at first glance.
- thefringthing 4y agoI'd prefer if the `tufte` theme would render the "|>" pipes as "▷" but I wasn't prepared to do that level of tinkering.
- jaggederest 4y agoAnother interesting measure for these purposes is "heating degree days" and "cooling degree days", i.e. how much the outside temperature varies from indoor temperature. One of my former coworkers who lived in San Diego said that people there complain whenever the temperature outside is different than the temperature inside, and sure enough, it's the lowest by summed heating and cooling degree days in the US.
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- rootw0rm 4y agothat may be true...but as someone who's lived in San Diego before, I can say that the weather and pretty much everything else there, except the traffic, is pretty awesome.
- adanto6840 4y agoDon't forget to include the cost-of-living and the taxes, along with the traffic. The weather is quite nice -- but if you really like/want to experience distinct seasons throughout the year, then the lack of variability may leave you dissatisfied.
- s0rce 4y agoI grew up in Toronto and lived in Oakland for the past 6 years. Other than some smokey summers weather is near perfect. Very mild "winters", beautiful and sunny summers (much less fog than the coast or Berkeley) with only a few days >30C. Low humidity most of the year. I'm in Carson City now and its colder/hotter, still no humidity.
- divbzero 4y agoI would also be curious to see the same marginal histogram animated over time.
- thematrixturtle 4y agoYou'd probably want to factor in precipitation and humidity as well. Also, having lived in the tropics for a long time, having no variation also gets a little boring after a while, although it is nice to never having to pay attention to the weather forecast.
- readonthegoapp 4y ago30C? toronto weather right now 1am EST May 13 is 64F. ...oh, ok, C, got it. so, too hot? i dig the seasons. but, global warming. the new extremes are going to be too damn hot, and deadly hot, so...
- adnmcq999 4y ago>>> nice weather >>> Scotland You need more variables
- raister 4y agoThis is so very true... Funny anecdote: whilst deciding where to pursue a PhD, the Univ. of Edinburgh website stated: "If you are deciding based on weather, don't come here."
- _Wintermute 4y agoThe Scottish weather jokes are really tired at this point, I come from Manchester and when I lived in Edinburgh I got the "How do you like the Scottish weather?", but the weather in Edinburgh is pretty great compared to a lot of the UK, especially the western parts.
- bjarneh 4y agoAlso Iceland/Reykjavík in the top ranking makes me agree with you. I went to school with a girl from Iceland and she told me school was cancelled on days with nice weather in Iceland. A location where every sunny day becomes an instant holiday shouldn't end up at the top of a list like that. Cool website and demo of R nonetheless I guess.
- killjoywashere 4y agoSee also The Well-Tempered Traveler (1), code (2) with prior discussion (3). (1) https://www.google.com/welltemperedtraveler/ https://www.google.com/welltemperedtraveler/ (2) https://github.com/lmanul/welltemperedtraveler https://github.com/lmanul/welltemperedtraveler (3) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27841209 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27841209
- thefringthing 4y agoThis is a neat tool/visualization!
- soared 4y agoI always love to see data analysis on tolerable weather. I've done a lot of research on weather in the US and its a perpetually challenging problem. There are a small list of cities where its consistently nice (Solely in california and miami), and a larger list of cities that are have 4 nice seasons. But the data will never tell you the full story - Denver doesn't rank incredibly well in the data but the winters are mild and the summers surprisingly hot because its always sunny and closer to the sun. SLC ranks well, but has unbearable smog. It seems that every city has caveats that can't be captured in the data. Portland seemingly has great weather.. when its not raining.
- thakoppno 4y ago> caveats that can't be captured in the data hold up - this tiny part of your comment strikes me as the essential issue facing tech in this era.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y agoSanta Fe springs: glorious temperatures, murderous winds for 6 weeks or more.
- dam_broke_it 4y agoSW Colorado -- same :/
- kortilla 4y ago>Denver doesn't rank incredibly well in the data but the winters are mild and the summers surprisingly hot because its always sunny and closer to the sun. Difference in distance to the sun is completely negligible. Maybe you’re thinking of UV index?
- silisili 4y agoI keep seeing that same reason listed in tons of places(mainly forums and blogs), but can't make sense of it. Earth is like 94 million miles from the sun, I'm not sure how people reason a few thousand feet somehow puts you too close to the sun.
- speedgoose 4y agoNice has the most Nice weather.
- seydor 4y ago69 degrees?
- hsn915 4y agoThe SF Bay Area has the nicest weather year round, which is probably a strong contributing factor to why the area is so rich. I'm currently in Tokyo. The temparetrue is not the nicest year round, but it feels very natural. There are four seasons. Winter is tolerable and it rarely goes below 0C. It snows about once a year. Summer is hot, just like it should be, but it hardly goes above 32C. The only thing that bothers me is the rainy season in the summer.
- seizethecheese 4y agoSounds like Seattle weather, except summer is dry here.
- foota 4y agoI think Tokyo is quite a bit warmer in the summer. Compare https://weatherspark.com/y/143809/Average-Weather-in-Tokyo-Japan-Year-Round https://weatherspark.com/y/143809/Average-Weather-in-Tokyo-J... and https://weatherspark.com/y/913/Average-Weather-in-Seattle-Washington-United-States-Year-Round https://weatherspark.com/y/913/Average-Weather-in-Seattle-Wa...
- Loic 4y agoWeatherSpark is wonderful both for the data and the quality of the visualisation.
- bogomipz 4y agoDid you move there from SF? Do you work in tech? I'd be curious to hear how it is if so. My understanding is that they just announced they are going to let international travelers back in June.
- woutr_be 4y agoThey haven't made a final decision yet regarding allowing international travelers, but as far as I understand it, they'll only allow tour groups first, and only the month after open up for tourists. (https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Japan-weighs-welcoming-foreign-tourists-as-early-as-June https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Japan-weighs-w...)
- EdwardDiego 4y agoRunning this with wet bulb/dry bulb temperatures would interesting. In our spring/summer it can get into the mid thirties (celsius), where I live, which is definitely hot, but it typically comes with minimal humidity. Whereas our biggest city might hit 25 degrees max, but the humidity feels to me like the entire city had a shower and didn't turn on the extractor fans. So I definitely prefer the dry heat to the humid.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y agoThis seems to miss out the broader dimensions of "nice weather". For example, 39F/3.8C on a cloudy winter day on the US east coast is entirely different than the same temperatures in the (intense) sun and low humidity of the high desert in the US southwest. Conversely, 78F/25.5C in May in the US southwest on a windy day is totally miserable to be out in, because the wind can hit sustained bursts of 25mph/40kmh with much higher gusts, whereas the same temperature on a sunny May day in London might be paradise.
- DeathArrow 4y agoThat's correct, humidity and wind can also affect the feeling. 25 C can feel like 20C if it's windy or feel like 30C if humidity is high. I would take 20 to 25C,low humidity and low wind speed. :)
- DeathArrow 4y agoI would settle for an ideal temperature, let's say 20 C and see the cities which have lowest variations based on that.
- steanne 4y agomissing diurnal air temperature variation, for me.
- bogomipz 4y agoI would interested to see or hear about "walkable" cities with nice weather. I feel like that's the dream.
- hgomersall 4y agoThat and pleasant greenery. No use being lovely and warm if everything is dead and brown. Rain is a necessary part of the discussion here.
- seibelj 4y agoBoston is the land of extremes. The winters are cold, windy, full of snow, and too long. The summers are absurdly humid and hot. The fall is so beautiful it's the most fall you have ever seen. Perhaps spring is a tad mundane, I'll admit. Boston (and Massachusetts itself) has the most character of any state, and the people are quite unique in various capacities. It is #1 in biotech, education, and healthcare and #2 in finance and software. For the size of its population it punches well above its weight in importance. To circle back, I think the weather has something to do with it. Tough weather makes tough people. Locals can be gruff at first but if you learn how to break through they are far nicer than New Yorkers.
- bumbledraven 4y agohttps://weatherspark.com/ https://weatherspark.com/ has wonderful visualizations of many different aspects of location-specific weather, including humidity, temperature, wind, and precipitation, and clouds.
- POPOSYS 4y agoClimate change is real and will make that data very different.
- mysecretaccount 4y agoFunny, Cusco may be a good candidate based on low variable temperature during the year but my recollection is that it has high variable temperature throughout a 24 hour period.
- thakoppno 4y agois altitude weather or weather adjacent?
- holoduke 4y agoThere is a strong correlation between rich and good weather. Amsterdam a city being rich for many hundreds years has pretty good weather. almost all milt weather cities are rich. Whereas warm climates are a recipe for poorness
- dantondwa 4y agoI'd be careful making such statements without data. For example, one could wonder if what you observe is a correlation, but not a causation: cities that are close to the sea are rich, as seas allow easy trade. And cities that are close to the sea have a good climate, obviously.
- flakiness 4y agoAs a Python user I feel envious every time R folks use the pipeline operator. It'd be so nice to have one for data mangling!
- jraby3 4y agoI live in Tel Aviv and the weather there is ideal (for me). Sunny about 300 days a year and doesn’t get too hot because of the sea. Coming from the NE US the winters were brutal and the summers were so humid you could cut the air with a knife. Wonder if this is one of the reasons TA is one of the most expensive (and successful) cities in the world.
- odysseus 4y agoThis reminds me of Kelly Norton’a Pleasant Places to Live, where you can search by ZIP code: https://kellegous.com/j/2014/02/03/pleasant-places/ https://kellegous.com/j/2014/02/03/pleasant-places/ I wrote to him to try and get the places listed in table form, sortable CSV, but never received a reply.
- angarg12 4y ago> We’ll ignore any other weather characteristics like humidity, rain, wind, diurnal temperature difference, etc. I chuckled at this. Ignoring factors like humidity, rain, wind, and number of sunny days gives you a very distorted vision of the weather in a given place.
- avereveard 4y agoYeah, not surprising to see Dublin surface in a good weather list built off temperatures alone, and yet the weather is piss poor for 49/52 weeks a year.
- ihateolives 4y agoOf the places I've been Dublin has the most stable weather except perhaps Canary islands, but the difference is that Dublin has stable and shitty weather while Canary islands have stable and nice. I love Ireland but couldn't live there full time.
- rootw0rm 4y agoof the many excellent comments for this story, yours made me laugh the hardest, haha.
- almostarockstar 4y agoI currently live in Dublin, I think you are exaggerating quite a bit. There are many reasons not to live in Dublin (poor housing quality / price, high cost of living, poor public transport, crime, etc) but the weather is absolutely not on that list. Dublin has about 130 rainfall days each year, and most of those are in the winter. Most days are mild and dry. The weather is warm and pleasant enough to enjoy water sports year-round. I spend most of my recreation time during the winter in a wetsuit without a hood. We don't get heavy snow, extreme cold/heat, hurricane force winds, or flooding. Overall, I think the weather here is better than most people give it credit for.
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- fortysixdegrees 4y agoI did a similar study many years ago then actually moved to the city. It was wonderful, the climate was perfect for me. Moderate all year, low humidity, low wind and rain. Guanajuato, Guanajuato, Mexico was the answer for me. I will move back there when the kids are older.
- freeqaz 4y agoI spent a month down there once. Definitely very nice! I found the food wasn't that great though, unfortunately. What makes you want to live there?
- downut 4y agoBasically quite a few places in Mexico. La Ciudad de México or Ensenada for me. I intensely love Mexico City but Ensenada is where I'm moving to. Entirely for health insurance reasons. I will be there tomorrow hooray. There's Guanajauto, but also Querétaro, San Mig, León. The central highlands are big and agreeable. People here love San Diego... I know San Diego really well, and I think Ensenada beats it in every way. San Diego is like a little brother to LA. It sure seems like it would be great to live there, and I suppose if you are desperate to spend quality time sitting in your car crawling in traffic it is ideal, but that's not for me.
- bogomipz 4y agoWhat's the connection between Ensenada and health insurance?
- downut 4y agoProximity to the US border. Medicare, particularly. I am no expert even though I have spent a lot of time on it. It seems a double cancer survivor with partner much the same is going to have a hard time getting insured any other way.
- gautamcgoel 4y agoDo you feel safe in Mexico? I saw an HN comment the other day from someone who had acquaintances who moved to Mexico and were murdered.
- rgmerk 4y agoIf your methodology for identifying "cities with nice weather" returns Reykjavik in its top ten, either your sample only includes places with terrible weather, or your methodology is completely whacked. Reykjavik is a wonderful little city, but it's cold, extremely windy, and often very miserable. The place with the most pleasant weather I've ever experienced is probably the area around the Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia (at least, most of the time - they've had an extraordinary run of flooding rains, recently). 70 degree Fahrenheit maximums in the winter, 82 in the summer, warm-water beaches, sea breezes to take the edge off the humidity - and there's mountains next door you can recreate in during summer to take the edge off. What more could you possibly want, except possibly snow if you're one of those weirdos who likes the stuff? A more appropriate methodology would take into account wet bulb temperatures, rainfall amounts, hours of sunshine, and wind (aside from its effect on wet bulb temperature a howling gale is unpleasant in its own right). Still, given the poster's starting point was Toronto...well...
- thefringthing 4y agoMy personal preference is definitely for colder temperatures than most other people would like. I didn't include humidity, precipitation, wind, etc., mostly because I threw this together in an hour or so and didn't intend for it to be a "serious" analysis, just a novelty.
- rgmerk 4y agoFair enough. And it's a great discussion starter. Consider my original comment a slightly impolite suggestion how this might be done better, if somebody wants to have a crack.
- bpye 4y agoI’m absolutely with you. I moved from the U.K. to Vancouver, BC and I’ve decided it’s certainly at my upper bound for ‘warm’ summers.
- aaronbrethorst 4y agoTo be fair, last summer’s heat dome in the PNW felt pretty close to the upper bound for habitability.
- thih9 4y ago> We’ll ignore any other weather characteristics like humidity, rain, wind, diurnal temperature difference, etc. If the author ends up moving to Edinburgh based on this, we can count on seeing a follow up analysis that doesn’t ignore rain.
- thefringthing 4y agoI'll tolerate any amount of rain if I never have to sweat through another shirt.
- bpye 4y agoAnd daylight hours…
- arethuza 4y agoEdinburgh isn't particularly wet - there is a lot of variation in rainfall levels in the UK and as Edinburgh is on the east coast its not that bad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Europe_by_precipitation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Europe_by_pr...
- smcl 4y agoYeah guys here like to joke about how we're having "Scottish" weather when it's raining, so it's funny to see Edinburgh (704mm/year) isn't really that much wetter than Prague (587mm/year)
- arethuza 4y agoEdinburgh is drier than Monaco (743.6mm/year) :-)
- TremendousJudge 4y agoI have never been to Edinburgh, but mm/year isn't the best way of saying if a place is wet or not. A city that has that horrible misty rain two thirds of the year may not score high a mm/year measure, but in reality you'll be wet two days out of three.
- jwmoz 4y agoGreat piece but something isn't right. Scotland is notoriously crap weather, cold and wet most the time.
- jupp0r 4y agoHumidity is completely missing in this analysis. 80F (27C) can be either extremely pleasant or borderline miserable, depending on relative humidity.
- BloominOnion 4y ago100% I'm in Melbourne so summers are usually a dry heat that can go into the mid-high 30's often. Send me up to the Gold Coast where the humidity is much greater and I'll struggle in the high 20's low 30's
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- leto_ii 4y ago> We’ll ignore any other weather characteristics like humidity, rain, wind, diurnal temperature difference, etc. Ha! So basically you're ignoring most of what weather is. I'm surprised Amsterdam (my current location) didn't end on top. I mean if you ignore the rain and the wind (and the sunshine hours) it's actually not that bad...
- teaearlgraycold 4y agoI’m surprised Redwood City’s marketing hasn’t made it to the author. “Climate Best by Government Test”! It’s a settled fact in my opinion.
- Tabular-Iceberg 4y agoStanley is my all time favourite, but you’re forced to use expensive, unusably slow satellite internet, so it’s no place for a technologist to live. Maybe Starlink can change that, it’s going to be interesting to see.
- prpl 4y agoI’ve lived 12 years in the bay area and spent quite a bit of time in Chile (mostly Santiago, but other places too). Both are great and pretty close to ideal.
- ohgodplsno 4y ago>Cities with Nice Weather >Doesn't include the city of Nice disappointing
- alkonaut 4y agoLet’s zoom in on the interesting bit. zooms in on Edinburgh, Dublin and Reykjavik My gut feeling tells me high altitude southern cities are stable around “room temperature” (like Mexico City and La Paz) but if one doesn’t mind 30C for a few weeks, then of course a lot more cities in the Mediterranean, California, Australia etc are also in play. I take it the person writing the article prefers anything, including a constant drab rain, to ever having -15C or +30C.
- thefringthing 4y ago> I take it the person writing the article prefers anything, including a constant drab rain, to ever having -15C or +30C. That's about right. I don't mind -15C so much but don't care for anything below about -20C or above 20C. I don't like rain either but I think I'd put up with it for a narrow enough temperature band.
- Lio 4y agoCities with Nice weather? Well, Nice would be the top of that list surely. Where’s Nice-ier than Nice?
- disillusioned 4y agoThe answer is, of course, invariably, San Diego. That's the one city. That's it.
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- bigbacaloa 4y agoIgnoring humidity Is stupid. Madrid is hotter than Chicago but has much nicer weather.
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- the_origami_fox 4y agoJohannesburg, South Africa. A city with many problems but everyone agrees the weather is great. Average temperature per month ranges from 10C to 20C. Extremes are normally between 0C and 30C. (It can feel very cold when it goes below 0C because the housing is not built for that.) Low humidity. It rains less than 90 days a year and most of that is in short, concentrated afternoon thunderstorms in the summer. I'd have expected this analysis to readily propose a city like this.
- SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago> Johannesburg, South Africa. A city with many problems but everyone agrees the weather is great. Johannesburg's rival, Cape Town, would also lay claim to "great weather".
- lelanthran 4y ago> Johannesburg's rival, Cape Town, would also lay claim to "great weather". I lived in Cape Town. Would not live there again. Winter is very very cold, it rains every single day and the wind is insane, making you need warmer clothing than you would think. Summer is very dry, it never rains and the mountain keeps catching fire which gets spread by the constant high-speed winds. There are advantages though: six months ago I had an opportunity to relocate to CT, and realised that with the amount of constant strong wind it gets, I might be able to live completely off-grid using 4 - 6 wind turbines on the roof of the house.
- SideburnsOfDoom 4y agoCool rainy winters and hot dry summers are characteristic of the Mediterranean climate, which is often seen as "pleasant". I thought you would mention that it can be hot in CT in Jan-Feb, in the 30-40C range. But it's a dry heat. > Winter is very very cold Since it does not freeze in CT, not that cold. Not even as cold as JHB. > it rains every single day It does not typically constant rain every day in CT in winter (it's nothing like London, Dublin or Seattle in that regard) instead, storms bring strong wind and rain very few days, which abates and clears before the next cold front. I find this preferable to e.g. London's "long months of grey drizzle and dark at 4pm". It's certainly more eventful. Wind speed is also not constant, and depends on where exactly you are, some areas are sheltered, some spots are "high-sided vehicles will blow over when there's a storm".
- yrcyrc 4y agoFor having lived in Dublin, La Paz and spent quite some time in Reykjavik, there is something really wrong with the data as suggested in earlier posts. I find European cities like Cork and in Brittany would fit to what he is seeking.
- FargaColora 4y agoInteresting cultural difference on what is "nice" weather. For me, a good city should have seasonality, that is the "joy of life". The changing of the seasons and the cycle through life is what makes me happy. Snowy winter days, the springtime change, endlessly long summer days, and the first cool autumn breeze as the colours change.
- rendx 4y ago100% agreed. I enjoy cold winter with proper snow (~ -10°C), mild spring and autumn with rains and thunderstorms (~ 10-20°C), and summer that doesn't get too hot (ideally not too many days above 30°C). I really can't stand regions that only have one or two seasons and very little change or "gray months".
- matsemann 4y agoAgreed. The dark and snowy times bring a certain coziness I wouldn't want to miss.
- FabHK 4y agoI have friend and colleagues in Singapore, which they describe as having two seasons: rainy and dry. They alternate every 15 minutes or so. After some years, yes, many miss the seasons very much.
- yamazakiwi 4y agoPart of the problem of where I live is the seasons of Winter and Summer seem to be extending and the time for Spring and Fall (The best seasons) appear to be shrinking.
- jverrecchia 4y agoI made a free website called City Filter that aggregates a lot of data from cities around the world and lets you filter them by different criteria including temperature and rain, but also safety, development, population, distance from your location, etc. If your goal is to identify your favorite cities based on your own criteria, you will definitely like it: https://www.city-filter.com https://www.city-filter.com
- renox 4y agoMmm that's difficult to define for example in Le Havre (an harbour NW of France) the average temperature is quite consistent due to the sea proximity but the weather is often very variable (and the weather forecasts aren't reliable): keep your sun hat AND your umbrella with you.. While near Paris the weather is more stable during a day, but from day to day the temperature variations are higher..
- thriftwy 4y agoCusco and La Paz, etc, are highland cities. If you are not accustomized to living at 2km+ altitude you would be miserable and may get health problems and/or depression. This just shows how bad oligoparametrical models are.
- ectopod 4y agoI used to live in La Paz. It's nearly 4km up. I did like the climate though.
- anilgulecha 4y agoGreat weather, but Bangalore (tshirt all year around) doesn't make the cut? makes me suspect something is off with the data or analysis. (Perhaps it's the anchoring on 9 celcius? that's chilly.)
- extrememacaroni 4y agoFrom what I see in the news India will soon be 60 degrees and death all year round because of global warming so it should probably not make many lists :(
- nsenifty 4y agoCan't tell if you're being sarcastic, but India isn't a tiny country with a single temperature zone. Cities like Bangalore have great weather year long. The real problem is dust and pollution.
- yamazakiwi 4y agoThey're not being sarcastic, they're referencing a heatmap that is growing in popularity showing an intense heat wave covering India currently.
- tintedfireglass 4y agoThe cyclone is also bringing a 20C May this time. The past few days were pretty damp and cold. This week was expected to be the hottest on record for bengaluru but rain saved us :)
- Dave3of5 4y agoThere is no qualitative way to work this out. Your graphs and numbers here are meaningless.
- ricardobayes 4y agoCanary Islands are notably missing. It's practically between 22 and 27C all year long.
- davidmitchell2 4y ago+1 for Canary!
- erfgh 4y agoYou mean climate.
- raspasov 4y agoSan Diego
- andix 4y agoYour algorithm should probably return places like Lisbon or Nice, which have nice and sunny weather all year round, but not too hot summers. And not Reykjavik, where you need functional clothing (water and wind proof) all year round.
- sega_sai 4y agoI think people are a bit too critical here, as people's view on weather are different, i.e. utility functions are different. As a person living in Edinburgh though, I can say the weather is not too bad, but certainly could be tad warmer without being uncomfortable.
- jkellermann 4y agoNice is the one city that has 100% nice weather...
- dullcrisp 4y agoAnywhere else it’s sparkling weather
- MrDresden 4y agoA Reykjavík local here. Apart from not taking into account for wind and precipitation (as has been mentioned in other comments) the analysis should also look into the average amount of sunshine (or the average amount of cloud cover) as well as look into seasonal exposer to the sun based on latitude. Reykjavík can go weeks without a break in the cloud cover, with howling winds shacking the concrete bunker you live in. Sure its probably not more than -10°C outside with windchill, but you'll feel your body complaining about your life choices pretty quickly. And then there is the winter darkness.
- DoingIsLearning 4y ago> you'll feel your body complaining about your life choices pretty quickly. Beautiful landscape and super nice people but I was there in Spring and I struggled with modern clothing. All my time there I kept thinking how on earth did someone 1200 years thought that was a good spot for a settlement.
- MrDresden 4y agoIn 3 words, the medieval warm period. It has been suggested as the reason settlers were able to get the initial foothold. The island's lowlands were also densely covered in birch forest when discovered in the late 800s, so there was plenty of wood to be had which would have helped. Grazing animals would have had an easy time, as can be seen with the size of the sheep population and the deforestation effect they had on the island. The wool produced was a big part of how the settlers survived winter.
- beeforpork 4y agoCuzco is at a high altitude, which is an important metric, too -- it is relatively cold and has lower levels of oxygen. Algeciras or Tarifa or anything in the close vicinity to Gibraltar is nice, as there is an unusually cool climate that is much more agreeable than other parts of Southern Spain (usually way too hot, e.g., Seville). Jamestown, St. Helena is also nice weather in your definition, and they speak English. But the humidity may be a bit too high. How this can be found automatically would be interesting. I was surprised not to find the above places in the article.
- TacticalCoder 4y agoThe Mediterannean seaside. The french riviera, Italy, Croatia. I spent lots of time in Spain (Valencia): way too warm in the summer IMO (too much south) and the spanish kinda build fugly buildings along the entire coast, ruining it (compared to France, the difference is staggering). Here on the french riviera / Cote d'Azur I get to type this while watching the sea and I get my kid to the village's school while driving through the vineyeards. Beach is a three minutes walk. I'd say that lots of poets/writers/actors/oligarchs (!)/etc. kinda figured this out a long time ago. Sure, it gets a bit wild in july/august when all the tourists and billionaires come in the area and population goes 5x to 10x but it makes things fun. During the winter you may get below zero temperatures but it's highly uncommon (the sea regulates both summer and winter) and, anyway, even when that happen, you can still have days where you can then eat lunch outside. Internet ain't staggering yet but I can get a 4G battery-powered router (because why not, it's 70 EUR) and a 15 EUR / month data plan SIM that can do 80 GB per month while waiting for fiber (it's coming, 18% of my district already has fiber).
- andruby 4y agoHow expense is real estate along the French Riviera? I loved going there as a kid though, so can totally see it being an ideal climate if you're able to afford it.
- downut 4y agoCheck out the expenses for Montpellier. Cheaper than any US city you could stand to live in. The food is immensely better too.
- rynbill 4y agoAre you an expat? I’ve been dreaming about a relocation to this area but I don’t know where to start.
- bogomipz 4y agoWhere about in the Cote d'Azur do you get vineyards a few minutes from the beach? That sounds amazing.
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- kgbcia 4y agospoiler : Reykjavík, Iceland because of English speaking programmer. I might be interested.
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- doitLP 4y agoJust use this tool: https://lukechampine.com/goldilocks/ https://lukechampine.com/goldilocks/ (Posted to HN two months ago and very helpful convincing my wife that there’s only a couple places in the US with weather like San Diego)
- athenot 4y agoThis only looks at one dimension: temperature. There are other dimensions to look at: - Humidity, or rather: Dew Point. 22ºC / 72F feels awesome or nasty depending on whether dewpoint is 10ºC or 21ºC. Anything above 16ºC is generally unpleasant. - Sunshine. Many overcast days can do a number on our well being, but some people actually prefer the softer light. - Rainfall. Some prefer more on the dry side, others more on the lush side. Again, it's a personal preference. - Variety throughout the year. Some of us actually enjoy the diversity of seasons while others prefer constance.
- chrsw 4y agoSan Diego has the best weather I've ever experienced. I've been there at different times of the year too. I don't live there and don't have any motivation to say that other than just being honest. I don't have any data to support my claim but it's not even mentioned in this analysis. I wonder what criteria ruled it out.
- rcpt 4y agoHawaii Big island you can decide your weather by simply driving to a higher elevation
- igorstellar 4y agoIt's interesting, since it could be very dry east, but it has most humid/rainy area in US (Hilo). One of the most fascinating islands in my opinion.
- sandbx 4y agothis is most stable weather not nicest ... "We’ll ignore any other weather characteristics like humidity, rain, wind, diurnal temperature difference, etc."
- thefringthing 4y agoDepends what you think is nice!
- 867-5309 4y agoseemingly the only English-speaking city on the list, is this Stanley, NB or Stanley, WI?
- thefringthing 4y agoIt's Stanley, Falkland Islands.
- 867-5309 4y agoI'm not so sure about that. googling for annual weather there returns "winter is cold, windy and snowy, while summer is very cool, if not cold, and it's rainy and windy as well" "summers are cold, the winters are very cold, and it is extremely windy and mostly cloudy year round" but then, Reykjavik is on the list so who knows
- spicyusername 4y agoWeather spark is a nice resource for comparing weather https://weatherspark.com/ https://weatherspark.com/
- fluidcruft 4y agoSo basically ignore everything else and go toward the equator to remove seasons and then select average temperature by picking elevation.
- jll29 4y agoDear author, I can tell you Edinburgh is best; however, not because of the weather, but despite the weather.
- vishnugupta 4y agoNo Bangalore on the list!? Of course I'm partial to the city being my home base. But really, having seen and lived in a diverse climatic places, Bangalore comes close to being the perfect climate. No snow but one can't be too greedy :-)
- 404mm 4y agoCheck out https://weatherspark.com/map https://weatherspark.com/map
- tenuousemphasis 4y agoI've also been thinking about relocating due to climate (and projected future climate). I came across this website which shows condenses daily and annual temperatures into a sort of sparkline graph. https://weatherspark.com/ https://weatherspark.com/
- jrd79 4y agoShameless plug: weatherspark.com has a great compare feature that is extremely useful when evaluating the relative merits of a given location's climate. See the following comparison page between Algiers and LA: https://weatherspark.com/compare/y/48929~1705/Comparison-of-the-Average-Weather-in-Algiers-and-Los-Angeles https://weatherspark.com/compare/y/48929~1705/Comparison-of-...
- simonebrunozzi 4y agoData alone is not enough. Or, you should have lots of it, and use and weigh it properly. Temperature, humidity, winds, sunlight, duration and intensity of rain, clouds... The list goes on and on. And what about pollution? Milan is one of the most polluted cities in Europe, and people wouldn't guess it. You could have nice weather, be outside, and not enjoy breathing (Milan is still ok, there are much worse places like New Delhi).
- axus 4y agoSomewhere like Dubai can have pleasant weather for 7 months, 99% of the time. And very bad weather for 4 months, 95% of the time. Where I live might have objectionable weather on 70% of the days, but they are more spread out and not as extreme, and the plants can tolerate it. Dubai would still win on "number of pleasant days".
- anonymousDan 4y agoAs much as I like them I'm not sure I'd be moving to Edinburgh or Dublin for the weather! Of the places I've lived, San Diego has a great climate.
- nicoburns 4y agoIMO Medellín, Colombia (known as "the city of eternal spring") is about perfect from a weather perspective. It averages around 23c year round (varying between about 18 and 28). It does have a rainy season, but even then mornings are often sunny (afternoon not so much).
- Wistar 4y agoA good friend spends a lot of time in Montevideo, Uruguay and he says it has fairly steady pleasant weather.
- smcl 4y agoDirect quote from my gf who lived in MVD for a while - “it’s cold and rainy often, and in winter it sucks because none of the houses have central heating”. For context we now live in Central Europe (toasty summers and long cold winters). She loved being there and to be honest I'd definitely visit, but I guess there's more to it than just the average temperature outside
- Wistar 4y agoGreat points. Thank you. Perhaps my friend's perspective is tempered by his being native to Seattle. He mentioned that he thought Montevideo was the southern hemisphere match to Seattle. Hmm.
- annexrichmond 4y ago> I live near Toronto. It’s springtime, and currently about 30 °C I don’t think this is true. It’s been around 20° at most in the Toronto area this past week. https://www.accuweather.com/en/ca/toronto/m5h/may-weather/55488 https://www.accuweather.com/en/ca/toronto/m5h/may-weather/55...
- james_pm 4y agoCorrect. Hasn't been near 30C in Toronto this week (source: me, Toronto resident). This person could solve a lot of his problems with Toronto weather by moving close to the lake. It's generally a few degrees cooler in the summer, and warmer in the winter. Having four distinct seasons is nice, although fall (the best season, IMO) is way too short and winter is a bit too long.
- l8arrival 4y agoI think being near the lake is definitely nicer in the summer, and probably winter too, as it moderates the temperature. On the other hand in the spring and fall, since the water temperature can be so much colder than the air, it can be quite cold and breezy by the lake, and nice and warm away from the lake.
- tintedfireglass 4y agoCome to Bangalore, temperate weather with tropical climate. You can't find it anywhere else ;)
- kart23 4y agoThis person has not been to socal if that’s your top ten.
- 0xbadcafebee 4y agoYou're never going to find a perfect city. If it's not the weather that bugs you, it's something else. Don't spend your time trying to find the perfect fit. Rather, spend your time on accepting the world as it is and adapting to it. Then you'll be happy anywhere, anytime.
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- at_a_remove 4y agoWhat is "nice weather" really varies by person. Personally, I would love something where the temperature didn't vary a lot, it is damp, but most importantly, it is overcast/dark as much as possible. Hence my ideal locale would be the Pacific Northwest.
- dvirsky 4y agoI was just reading the Wiki page for Bogota yesterday and was like "damn, that city has my favorite kind of weather and it barely changes". Is it a good place to live in otherwise?
- dbg31415 4y agoSimilar tool. https://vividmaps.com/cities-with-similar-climates/ https://vividmaps.com/cities-with-similar-climates/
- bmy78 4y agoAs someone who lives in the US Northeast with its biting winters, San Diego and Los Angeles's yearlong climate seems like a dream.
- hadlock 4y agoInteresting to see him zero in on Cusco and Bogota. Both are equatorial(esque) cities. Bogota is at 8,000 ft and Cusco is at ~11,000 ft, and both have sunset within ~30 minutes of 6pm for 300+ days a year. Cusco actually gets hot, but Bogota reminds me a lot of san francisco. It rarely gets above 65F in the day time, and 45-55F at night is pretty common. Bogota is a Real City with a population of 8 million and daily flights to Madrid (Spain, Europe) with full suite of services. Medellin is about a 4-6 hour drive from Bogota and has a very San Diego-esque climate year round.
- munificent 4y agoLooking at the variance as a single datapoint doesn't capture temperature information very well. A single rare outlier data will make a city look bad even if most days are milkd. I hacked together a little program to try something different. My rule was to look at the daily average temperature for a bunch of cities on a single year. Then count up the number of "good temperature" days which I defined to be within 60°F-80°F. The best cities are the ones with the most good days. Based on that, looking at US cities, the top and bottom ten are: 282 : San Diego, California 256 : Los Angeles, California 236 : Orlando, Florida 203 : Honolulu, Hawaii 202 : Jacksonville, Florida 199 : West Palm Beach, Florida 193 : Tampa St. Petersburg, Florida 189 : Asheville, North Carolina 179 : Charleston, South Carolina ... 92 : Duluth, Minnesota 91 : Casper, Wyoming 89 : Concord, New Hampshire 89 : Great Falls, Montana 87 : Sault Ste Marie, Michigan 80 : Caribou, Maine 76 : Salt Lake City, Utah 64 : Anchorage, Alaska 63 : Fairbanks, Alaska 41 : Juneau, Alaska That looks about right to me.
- nullgeo 4y agoBob, are you using the same data as the OP?
- thefringthing 4y agoNope; I used the Wikipedia article I mentioned. This is a different, more detailed, table of temperature data.
- munificent 4y agoNo idea. I just searched for "average city temperature CSV" and ended up downloading some file from Kaggle.
- quesera 4y agoThis is interesting. It doesn't capture humidity / heat index, which would drop at least five cities (FL, SC) out of the top ten.
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- physhster 4y agoLower variability isn't a very good indicator of good weather at all. Humidity, median vs. average yearly temp, annual sunshine, and precipitation are more useful IMHO.
- corrral 4y agoHumidity's the thing I have trouble finding good info about. Weather maps of humidity don't seem to do a good job of matching with what's actually perceived. But 85F and humid feels a hell of a lot worse than 95F and dry, so as far as Summer (and to some extent, Spring and Fall) characteristics go, I'd consider humidity by far the most important factor in whether Summer's basically pleasant, or completely miserable.
- dghughes 4y agoWhen I meet people from other countries I like to ask about the weather where they are from. Two of the best places I've heard of that sound nice coming from people who are form there. Monaco/Nice France. Summer can be quite warm but not winters are moderate about 15C (which to them was a cold winter). Really anywhere on the shores of the Mediterranean would be nice. The other is Kigali, Rwanda I asked someone what it was like they said summer about 26C and winter about 15C - very stable, very little variation. For both of those places no hurricanes, tornadoes, no snow, no wild temperature changes.
- acchow 4y agoWhat you want to look at is "Temperature Fingerprints" https://weatherspark.com/map https://weatherspark.com/map
- el_dipster 4y agocan you do this for climate change (rising sea waters)
- madman2890 4y agoManizales, Colombia
- darkhorn 4y agoNice weather is lots of rain and snow, whithout humidity, and no extreme temperatures.
- joaonmatos 4y agoWeird standards for “nice weather”. I would use: - temperatures around 15 degrees, so a place that went from lows of 5 in the winter to highs of 25 in the summer - rarely overcast. Growing up in Porto I don’t really have a problem with sunny days or days where it is actually raining. The bane of my existence are the misty, damp, sprinkly, overcast days - no snow It’s a shame that I have to go to Berlin to get a good start on my career, otherwise I’d love to stay here
- mikenvt 4y agoI think the data is a little off here. The average low in La Paz is never below 10c as author shows here.