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If they sold to the US investors they have to abide by US rules. US has a bunch of extradition treaties making it very hard to run from US law enforcement.
by adrr 4y ago
If they sold to the US investors they have to abide by US rules. US has a bunch of extradition treaties making it very hard to run from US law enforcement.
- cesarb 4y ago> If they sold to the US investors they have to abide by US rules. If you look closely at that statement, however, you can see that it's recursive and missing the base case: the rule which says "If they sold to the US investors they have to abide by US rules" is itself a US rule.
- kemayo 4y agoThus the mention of extradition treaties, which mean (to a loose approximation) that other countries agree to let some US rules get enforced on people in their borders. In Terraform's case, it looks like they're in Singapore. Which the US does indeed have an extradition treaty with.
- themusicgod1 4y agoAnd yet, Edward Snowden still sits outside of US prison. Obviously the extradition treaties have limits.
- ABeeSea 4y agoSnowden’s charges had a maximum of 10 years. If he had surrendered and pled, he would be free in America soon. Instead he gets to spend the rest of his life in Russia. That was his choice.
- feintruled 4y agoHe could have been free - or he could have suffered a 'mishap' in prison. Not that things have ultimately worked out well for him, but I'd understood Russia was merely a stop-over from which he realised there wasn't going to ever be a safe onward option, so he's stuck.
- caoilte 4y agoEach year in prison shortens your life expectancy by two years. So he'd be out soon, but very very unhealthy. Better to be in Russia. It's not the worst.
- kemayo 4y agoYes, the fairly obvious limit of going somewhere the US doesn't have an extradition treaty with. In Snowden's case: Russia. Which I personally wouldn't be thrilled to do, but the options are limited. Here's the countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradit... It's not hard, in theory, but it does rather limit your movements going forward.
- throwaway48375 4y agoThere are a good number of grey countries on that map I suspect they would just rendition you from.
- Scoundreller 4y agoLots of misrepresentation going on here. An extradition treaty merely facilitates things. You can have protections despite a treaty (e.g. France for its own citizens, ever!) and you could still be extradited if there isn’t one (there just isn’t an agreed upon mechanism for how to do it).
- kergonath 4y agoBefore someone assumes this is a dirty European protectionist trick, the US do not extradite their citizens either.
- boeingUH60 4y agoNo, they (rarely) do Here’s a recent example - https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56248558 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56248558
- kergonath 4y agoYou’re right, every treaty is a different beast and there are no absolutes. But the general principle is Further, 18 U.S.C. 3181 and 3184 permit the United States to extradite, without regard to the existence of a treaty, persons (other than citizens, nationals or permanent residents of the United States), who have committed crimes of violence against nationals of the United States in foreign countries. https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-15000-international-extradition-and-related-matters#9-15.100 https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-15000-international-extradit... If the applicable treaty or convention does not obligate the United States to extradite its citizens to a foreign country, the Secretary of State may, nevertheless, order the surrender to that country of a United States citizen whose extradition has been requested by that country if the other requirements of that treaty or convention are met. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3196 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3196