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There are so many people from developing countries who desperately want to migrate to a developed country. Indians(specifically from Punjab state) spend their w
by akmittal 4y ago
There are so many people from developing countries who desperately want to migrate to a developed country. Indians(specifically from Punjab state) spend their whole life's earning to migrate illegally to US/Canada/Australia.
Im not sure why so little people migrate to Japan. Is it the policies or the language?
- d3nj4l 4y agoAlways incredible when HN's anti-Indian racism comes out from just beneath the surface.
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- doikor 4y agoJapan has really strict immigration policies and is actually enforcing them (well at least outside of prostitution/trafficking)
- asdff 4y agoIMO this means the demographic problem is nonexistent for japan. If things became critical, all they need to do is loosen immigration policies and there is enough latent demand in the world for citizenship in a stable country that the population can be maintained through immigration.
- IfOnlyYouKnew 4y agoUnless, of course, there were some let's say ideology that would make people chose to uphold restrictions on immigration even if it weren't in the rational interest of the country.
- SnowHill9902 4y agoIf immigrants replace Japanese in the country of Japan, is it still Japan?
- formerly_proven 4y agoIf immigrants replaced Americans in the country of America, is it still America?
- SnowHill9902 4y agoThat’s essentially my own question. It’s not specific to Japan. Do you want to answer it?
- beaconstudios 4y agoYes, it's still the same country. And nobody's being replaced if the Japanese are reproducing at lower than replacement rate.
- teakettle42 4y agoIf you replace a country’s culture, it’s still the same country?
- TeaDrunk 4y agoThat's just called changing culture. This happens at each generation at least.
- krapp 4y agoJapan's culture has arguably been almost completely replaced several times over. Is it still Japan?
- ativzzz 4y agoChange is the only constant in nature
- beaconstudios 4y agoyes. A country is a series of lines on a map. also did you mean to imply that culture is essentially tied to ethnicity? because it isn't.
- fomine3 4y agoThe ruling party never been serious for demographic problem. They even don't want to allow different surname for family despite changing surname is annoying and it's blocker to marriage.
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- ur-whale 4y ago> There are so many people from developing countries who desperately want to migrate to a developed country. Wanting to migrate and actually being ready and willing to integrate in the target country / culture are two very different things. In Japan, the latter is certainly not easy, and it's unclear how much would-be immigrants are ready and willing to meet that bar.
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- Agingcoder 4y agoThe Japanese press writes on a regular basis about population decline, and about making it easier for immigrants to speak/learn Japanese or live in the country with limited Japanese, so I guess the language does play a part. Based on my very limited Japanese (about n3 grammar , 1000 kanji, but this is anecdotal), it is indeed very difficult, and I'd clearly try an English speaking country/country where I can work in English first !
- ryanSrich 4y agoIt’s really difficult to get Japanese citizenship. Rightfully so imo. They have a rich culture and want to preserve it.
- nylonstrung 4y agoAlso because their economy is undergirded by an exploitative 'guest worker' program
- thriftwy 4y agoEuropean countries have rich cultures too, but apparently do not have the option to preserve that. Go figure.
- School-Cotton 4y agoThey had the option. Nobody ever forced European countries to accept mass immigration. They could have remained closed and avoided outside cultural influence if they had wanted to, but most of them didn’t.
- throwaway_1928 4y agoIn fact, they went around forcing their culture upon others. This is historically a fact. Let's see what the HN censors say.
- Aurelius3 4y agoMany did, but many did not, entirety of eastern europe (minus Russia), germany, nordics, balkans, and central european states had no history of colonization or very little, and even then it was not in the regions most associated with migration to europe. Only things besides colonization that come to mind are wars in the middle east, and every country I listed besides germany is too small to matter in that.
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- Thaxll 4y agoJapan is not a country open to immigration, your can spend 20 years there, speaking perfect Japanese and still be considered a complete stranger.
- gitfan86 4y agoThe word they use is Gaijin. It means foreigner and it is based on race.
- dqpb 4y agoIf someone has only one Japanese parent are they Gaijin?
- Pet_Ant 4y agohttps://youtu.be/dXBsFfnCOks https://youtu.be/dXBsFfnCOks
- bigbigbiga 4y agoNo, they are called Hafu. Half Japanese.
- stjohnswarts 4y agoDo you know if that is a japanese adoption of "half" or is it based on pure Japanese etymology and just a coincidence it's sounds similar?
- crate_barre 4y agoWhy can’t you guys just make India not suck and live there?
- altdataseller 4y agoIt sucks precisely because there’s so many ppl
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- inglor_cz 4y agoIn that case, Japan would be even worse, because the Tokio metropolitan area is a human anthill.
- Tiktaalik 4y agoTokyo regularly tops Monocle's most livable city list among other lists of best cities in the world.
- throwaway_1928 4y agoLooks uncomfortable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7kor5nHtZQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7kor5nHtZQ
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- mmarq 4y agoI wonder how has the English speaker developed the weird idea that immigration brought Sweden and Germany on the brink of civil war.
- barrbid8 4y agoSocial media, gamed by political clickbait merchants
- IfOnlyYouKnew 4y agoYes, the horrible horror of living in the place often called "the most livable country". (e. g. http://www.worldcitiescultureforum.com/cities/stockholm/Perspectives http://www.worldcitiescultureforum.com/cities/stockholm/Pers... https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/sweden https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/sweden https://www.studocu.com/blog/en/why-sweden-is-the-best-country-for-living https://www.studocu.com/blog/en/why-sweden-is-the-best-count...)
- krona 4y agoAnd apparently China is more 'liveable' than Ireland and Finland according to USNews.com.
- winter_blue 4y agoThat’s a great link. The truth is there are many studies showing how diversity leads to a flourishing and betterment / advancement of culture.
- throw82473751 4y agoCan you explain "another Sweden" more please?
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- marcosdumay 4y agoBrazil has a large population of Japanese origin, so Japan did a program of taking immigrants from here at the 90's. And well, today our institutions refuse to collaborate with any other such program. Their society is very closed, allowing immigrants to take only very low paid low value works. Immigrants have almost no possibility of growth, and very a very bad set of labor rights (apparently everybody has this later problem, even though the set of rights for Japanese and immigrants is different, one does not seem to be strictly worse than the other). The result of the immigration at the 90's was that people came back worse-off than they gone.
- extant_lifeform 4y ago@akmittal japan is a pretty small country but the third largest economy in the world. Have you considered japan does not need that many people? Just because a nation's population is declining does not mean it should start importing foreign nationals.
- LudwigNagasena 4y agoI agree with the sentiment, but it’s not small in the sense of population. It has twice as many people as France or UK.
- bigbigbiga 4y agoJapan's population is actually relatively small for it's size, especially when you consider how densely populated it is.
- dirtyid 4y agoThere's massive labour shortage in JP. There's more foreign workers from Asia than ever. But I wager JP will adopt foreign worker model like ME petro states versus immigration model.
- QuarterReptile 4y agoSome people just want open space, but that is far from being the most important factor of determining where people want to live. Otherwise we'd expect Africa to be a popular place for immigrants, comparable to the US. And Russia would be far better than either. And Singapore would be utter nonsense. Actually, the very existence of cities and countrysides goes against this idea (and there is indeed open space in Japan.)
- unmole 4y ago> japan is a pretty small country It's not. It has the 11th most populous country in the world. Sure, it ranks lower in terms of area but it's still much larger than a median nation state. Japan is actually slightly larger than Germany. Nobody ever says Germany is a pretty small country.
- bigbigbiga 4y agoThe problem with Indian states are that the majority of those applicants come specifically from upper caste families. The US has already run into this issue. In my opinion it would be a bad idea to further caste outside of India and into other countries as well. On the reasoning for the Punjab state, how would you verify that the person was from a specific region do you know anything about them or their culture? I'm sure you must know some of it but things like this can very easily be faked especially with a corrupt system of governance as India. I don't like to be judge jury and executioner but is there really any way of creating a system that limits it solely to a specific region? Especially more so with the information I've just given you?
- b112 4y agoBy not caring what caste a person is, the US is specifically not caring about caste. In terms of immigration, even in Canada (very open to other cultures, more tolerant of them than the US), to become a citizen, there are tests to be passed, including either french or english literacy. This is to ensure that all citizens can communication with one another, and also, to understand local laws. And, essentially, local customs. In Canada (and the US), this means people are expected to not be racist, or biased, and there are laws against this. One may debate the effectiveness of these laws, however my point is that once here? People caught behaving if there is a caste system here, will be prosecuted. Beyond this, public schools, TV, movies, etc teach that all are equal. Sometimes, it takes a third generation immigrant to be "fully" localized, but eventually the parent culture is but a distant memory. This is reinforced by the surrounding culture, which doesn't care about caste systems. So my point is, we don't care, and we should not care. What we should do, is simply take applicants and be done with it. You do not have to apply through your government, you can get a job and apply directly. Now, are there Indian immigrants in the US, with consulting firms or companies, only accepting applications based upon caste? Well, that's discrimination, has nothing to do with immigration laws, instead employement laws, and can be prosecuted. And yes, it can be proven.
- bigbigbiga 4y agoSadly, none of this is true. Dalits in the US even the small minority that they are experience even worse discrimination in the US than from India itself. India's English speaking caste consists of predominantly members of the upper caste of India. Now you can argue you can punish those who use caste to discriminate but the reality is that it's just not the case in india as the effectively create the barriers through the use of language and restricting the opportunity for those to learn it to only those who have and belong to upper castes. You talk about localization but in several countries this does not occur. We should care and saying we shouldn't is disingenuous and simply misinformative at best.
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- ipaddr 4y agoInteresting about the specific state. Why are the numbers greater from Punjab? Culturally they are different but so are other states. Policy, lack of space... not desire
- akmittal 4y agoPunjab has an unemployment issue as well as they are obsessed with counties like Canada and Australia because they can have much better lifestyle and they can boast to everyone that they are NRI and own big cars
- ipaddr 4y agoThere are poorer states like Karnataka, Mizoram, West Bengal, Nagaland etc. Is there more of a cultural acceptance because others have moved and experienced success?
- stjohnswarts 4y agolol what? I've met tons of Indian immigrants and not a single one of them was "illegal". What are you even talking about?
- akmittal 4y agoI'm not sure which country you are from. There are plenty of resources if you search. You are less likely to meet them, as i have heard people take away their passport and make them work in farms https://m.economictimes.com/nri/visa-and-immigration/the-curious-case-of-donkey-and-donkers-on-the-great-indian-illegal-immigration-trail/articleshow/77818363.cms https://m.economictimes.com/nri/visa-and-immigration/the-cur...