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> Don't use Grub or any bootloader if you can avoid it. I haven't used Grub in 10 years. Load Linux directly as an EFI executable via the EFISTUB approach. I r

by LeonM 4y ago

> Don't use Grub or any bootloader if you can avoid it. I haven't used Grub in 10 years. Load Linux directly as an EFI executable via the EFISTUB approach. I run Windows dual boot, since I need (native) Windows for certain work related tasks. > S3 suspend was removed as a default option by many hardware manufacturers. You will likely need to enter the BIOS to change this. It's on, S3 is not the problem > There is a bug in 5.17.x kernels where suspend doesn't work with bluetooth enabled. It will be fixed soon. I'm not running 5.17. But frankly, I don't want to care about all this "oh, but you just have to do [insanely_technical_thing]" Sure, if I invest $LOTS_OF_TIME in it, I might be able to fix most of the issues. But this is a $3000 professional laptop, which is supposed to have good Linux support. This machine is my work equipment and I chose this expensive machine so I don't have to tinker with this stuff. It should just work.

weberer 4y ago
>But frankly, I don't want to care about all this "oh, but you just have to do [insanely_technical_thing]" >It should just work. Then you should buy a laptop that ships with Linux and has official support from the vendor. Like the Dell XPS Developer edition, or anything from System76.
sigzero 4y ago
Yeah for the most part it's a "Linux on laptops works if you <list of steps to configure things>...". At least that has been my experience. Although I have not run Linux on a laptop in years so maybe it's time to revisit that.
- ben-schaaf 4y ago
  It's highly dependent on the specific hardware. On some everything works out of the box, others you're stuck with very little working (think Apple M1). Just like any OS you always need to ensure hardware compatibility before purchase.
- orangepurple 4y ago
  There isn't much configuration to do if you have an X1 carbon installed with EFISTUB booting if you have the full KDE suite installed. KDE makes your interaction with any peripherals utterly seamless. If you don't want to tweak your Linux machine much, you need to go all-in on KDE.
zamalek 4y ago
> I run Windows dual boot, since I need (native) Windows for certain work related tasks. If your firmware has a "boot from" hotkey (usually F12), then you use that as your dual-boot menu.
pbhjpbhj 4y ago
>But this is a $3000 professional laptop, which is supposed to have good Linux support. // That's a big fail by Lenovo then, so why didn't you return it? When the support guys logged in to your computer to fix it, what did they do -- just go "yeah, or product is crap" and usher you away?
- LeonM 4y ago
  > so why didn't you return it? Mostly because I had more important things to do at the time. Though not perfect, the computer does work, it does get the job done. And also, I wouldn't know which other brand/model to get. I made my decision to buy the X1E based on the HN community recommending Lenovo as having one of the best support for Linux. So if I switch to a different brand, I might end up with an even worse Linux experience, so it wasn't worth the risk to me.
  - orangepurple 4y ago
    My X1 carbon works flawlessly aside from the fingerprint scanner (never tried it) and the builtin 4G modem which requires Windows drivers to initialize on Verizon with some shady proprietary blob that is downloaded over the air.
  - nine_k 4y ago
    It's not that everything branded Lenovo runs linux flawlessly. There are know models and model lines that do so (like the T line). Usually they were / are even offered in variants with Linux preinstalled from Lenovo web site. Other models may have and do have problems, unsupported hardware, etc.
MikusR 4y ago
> I run Windows dual boot, since I need (native) Windows for certain work related tasks. Windows also supports EFI boot.
e12e 4y ago
>> Don't use Grub or any bootloader if you can avoid it. I haven't used Grub in 10 years. Load Linux directly as an EFI executable via the EFISTUB approach. > I run Windows dual boot, since I need (native) Windows for certain work related tasks. The windows/efi boot menu can handle dual boot. But, assuming you want/need secure boot and bitlocker - I'm not sure if there is an easy way to avoid having to type in recovery key on kernel updates :/ Perhaps efi > direct windows and efi > grub > Linux might work? Probably still needs recovery key for bitlocker after grub update? Maybe this is solved now - I don't dual boot any machines w bitlocker right now.

by LeonM 4y ago

weberer 4y ago

>But frankly, I don't want to care about all this "oh, but you just have to do [insanely_technical_thing]" >It should just work. Then you should buy a laptop that ships with Linux and has official support from the vendor. Like the Dell XPS Developer edition, or anything from System76.

sigzero 4y ago

Yeah for the most part it's a "Linux on laptops works if you <list of steps to configure things>...". At least that has been my experience. Although I have not run Linux on a laptop in years so maybe it's time to revisit that.

ben-schaaf 4y ago
It's highly dependent on the specific hardware. On some everything works out of the box, others you're stuck with very little working (think Apple M1). Just like any OS you always need to ensure hardware compatibility before purchase.
orangepurple 4y ago
There isn't much configuration to do if you have an X1 carbon installed with EFISTUB booting if you have the full KDE suite installed. KDE makes your interaction with any peripherals utterly seamless. If you don't want to tweak your Linux machine much, you need to go all-in on KDE.

zamalek 4y ago

> I run Windows dual boot, since I need (native) Windows for certain work related tasks. If your firmware has a "boot from" hotkey (usually F12), then you use that as your dual-boot menu.

pbhjpbhj 4y ago

>But this is a $3000 professional laptop, which is supposed to have good Linux support. // That's a big fail by Lenovo then, so why didn't you return it? When the support guys logged in to your computer to fix it, what did they do -- just go "yeah, or product is crap" and usher you away?

LeonM 4y ago
> so why didn't you return it? Mostly because I had more important things to do at the time. Though not perfect, the computer does work, it does get the job done. And also, I wouldn't know which other brand/model to get. I made my decision to buy the X1E based on the HN community recommending Lenovo as having one of the best support for Linux. So if I switch to a different brand, I might end up with an even worse Linux experience, so it wasn't worth the risk to me.
- orangepurple 4y ago
  My X1 carbon works flawlessly aside from the fingerprint scanner (never tried it) and the builtin 4G modem which requires Windows drivers to initialize on Verizon with some shady proprietary blob that is downloaded over the air.
- nine_k 4y ago
  It's not that everything branded Lenovo runs linux flawlessly. There are know models and model lines that do so (like the T line). Usually they were / are even offered in variants with Linux preinstalled from Lenovo web site. Other models may have and do have problems, unsupported hardware, etc.

MikusR 4y ago

> I run Windows dual boot, since I need (native) Windows for certain work related tasks. Windows also supports EFI boot.

e12e 4y ago

>> Don't use Grub or any bootloader if you can avoid it. I haven't used Grub in 10 years. Load Linux directly as an EFI executable via the EFISTUB approach. > I run Windows dual boot, since I need (native) Windows for certain work related tasks. The windows/efi boot menu can handle dual boot. But, assuming you want/need secure boot and bitlocker - I'm not sure if there is an easy way to avoid having to type in recovery key on kernel updates :/ Perhaps efi > direct windows and efi > grub > Linux might work? Probably still needs recovery key for bitlocker after grub update? Maybe this is solved now - I don't dual boot any machines w bitlocker right now.