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Netflix layoffs have started
- lampshades 4y agoInteresting that they're laying off writers seeing as the American public has been pretty unhappy with Netflix quality (whether the actual content or the idealogical pushes). I know a lot of people personally that cancelled their Netflix accounts after Cuties and even more for similar reasons as time continued on. I wonder how much of their subscriber-ship was impacted due to things like this and if it's a non-minor amount, what will be the affects on their content?
- martinky24 4y agoSource on "know a lot of people canceled after Cuties"? Or just anecdotal stuff? I never saw data on that...?
- lampshades 4y ago> I know a lot of people personally Yes, anecdotal.
- arrakis2021 4y agoI cancelled my account directly because of Cuties. I dont live alone and do not want anyone in my household watching CP disguised as an art house film. I know of at least 1 other person who have done the same.
- pythonic_hell 4y agoHave you watched the movie? At its core it’s a story about how vulnerable children are and how society sexualizes children.
- OrangeMonkey 4y agoThat they showed by sexually exploiting children in the filming. There is no excusing this - forget about the 'message' - one is watching children in sexually explicit situations and trying to say 'the artistic direction excuses it.' I think I'm going to sit far far far on the other side of the overton window.
- truffdog 4y agoThis is a pretty standard film criticism- you can't make a movie about something bad without glorifying it. Scorcese comes in for that a lot, Fight Club, people reading or watching Liar's Poker and feeling inspired, the list goes on.
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- arrakis2021 4y agoThis is not the same. Nobody actually gets their face broken in fight club, and there are no actual murders filmed in Goodfellas. Cuties exploits children on camera in an attempt to tell a story about child exploitation.
- claudiawerner 4y agoI'm curious by what standard the film's production sexually exploited the actors, and it's a serious accusation. On first approximation, having watched the film and due to the fact nobody has been prosecuted by and government for the film, I'm inclined to disagree. Anorher commenter in the thread called it 'child pornography', which is an even wilder claim, from a legal or moral perspective.
- arrakis2021 4y agoThe exploitation is on and off camera. How many audition tapes did they go through in order to choose those 5 girls? 50? 100? Someone sat there and watched dozens of half-nude 11 year old girls twerking on camera. This is disturbing to me. If it isn’t to you then i don’t know what to say.
- version_five 4y agoAnecdotally I think it's the long tail of ideological content rather than the extreme examples that make people leave. But I suppose it could be specific things that push people over the edge. I'm a strong free speech supporter - I'd rather there be lots of things that people find offensive on offer (as long as they wouldn't have been illegal in the year 2000). But having all new content revolve around some aspect of identity politics means there's nothing actually interesting to watch, which is why I've abandoned netflix now that I've seen all the foreign police procedurals.
- ThunderSizzle 4y agoNetflix can have free speech. They can make and do whatever they want. No one should be expected or required to keep paying a subscription when they start disagreeing substantially.
- version_five 4y agoYes I agree, maybe I wasnt clear. What I mean is that I don't generally hold it against a platform (or whatever) for allowing views or content that I find offensive. If somebody does, that's their right. But what I can't abide is (obviously) not having anything that interests me, because in that case why would I pay them.
- lern_too_spel 4y agoThat's nothing. I cancelled when they added Full House (https://fullhouse.fandom.com/wiki/Back_to_School_Blues https://fullhouse.fandom.com/wiki/Back_to_School_Blues). When it comes to virtue signaling, you're an amateur.
- agensaequivocum 4y agoI shared a password with my parents at the time. My wife and I stopped using Netflix entirely because of Cuties, and I think my parents also canceled.
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- qgin 4y agoI don’t know anyone who even knows that the show Cuties existed.
- nathanaldensr 4y agoI do (me). Your anecdote is hereby nullified! ;)
- dehrmann 4y agoThese seem to be blog post writers for this blog: https://www.netflix.com/tudum https://www.netflix.com/tudum. They're closer to the marketing team than to being writers on shows.
- el-salvador 4y ago> Interesting that they're laying off writers seeing as the American public has been pretty unhappy with Netflix quality I'm not sure if I'm phrasing this right. But I've felt for the past three years Netflix's US' content has become like the Hallmark Channel for U.S. progressivism. Too sterile, too formulaic, too forced. (Or could it be the algorithm that is recommending me the same content over and over?) I'm sure someone could come up with a "Generic Netflix TV Show" video like this one: * Dissolve - This a Generic Millennial ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG_i7oWzTyU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG_i7oWzTyU * Dissolve - Generic Brand Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YBtspm8j8M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YBtspm8j8M I still keep the subscription for some Asian and European content though.
- erguiqewrugi 4y agoI am virtually certain you have not watched Mignonnes. It is really quite good, and treats its subject matter with care. You have fallen for propaganda. Just watch it. It isn't long and I promise you won't wind up scarred for life. If you hate it, at least you will have come to that decision yourself. Until you watch the film, I couldn't possibly care what you have to say about it.
- scrollaway 4y agoGP doesn’t have anything to say about the movie, they just said they know people who cancelled their account because of it. Why are you so defensive about something that wasn’t even sort of attacked?
- guiambros 4y agoFor anyone confused by the comment, Mignonnes is the original name of Cuties [1] in French. I haven't watched it, so I don't have an opinion, but the trailer [2] seems pretty okay-ish. I you don't like the move, hit dislike and move on. Not sure why the whole "#cancelnetflix" drama. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0O7lLe4SmA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0O7lLe4SmA [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuties
- kelseyfrog 4y agoI canceled and encouraged people to cancel[1] after The Closer was released. I will continue to encourage people to cancel when they mention Netflix content as a way to demonstrate allyship. It is a small act of protest anyone can do in just five minutes. 1. https://www.netflix.com/cancelplan https://www.netflix.com/cancelplan
- samhw 4y agoWhat is that URL? Does that lead to an account cancellation flow? I'm bemused that Netflix would make that so straightforward, and go-viral-able. (Also, come on - nothing says 'allyship' like trying to ruin a black guy's career to teach him a lesson for expressing unhappiness about the relative pace of change in trans vs black rights. I don't agree with everything he said, as a gay guy, but I find this response extremely distasteful.)
- chipchop 4y agoThis overreaction of transactivists to Chappelle cracking a few jokes at their expense really just supports the point he was making.
- rvz 4y agoThis sort of tech-related crash had to come someday, and out of this earthquake in terms of these FAANG companies, Netflix (NFLX) stock has cratered 40% in one week and 75% from its all time high. The most obvious name one could come up with this is The Big Tech Crash which has now spread into the private start-up markets. [0][1] As for Netflix itself, they are essentially a side-project for Disney, Apple and Amazon which after this disastrous earnings they respond by raising prices; which is a bad idea. If they don't think of something clever soon, they will be at risk of themselves being taken over. Probably won't happen, but we'll see. [0] https://www.ft.com/content/298baba3-83c7-45d3-8932-d811d248ee97 https://www.ft.com/content/298baba3-83c7-45d3-8932-d811d248e... EDIT: Non-paywalled link. [1] https://archive.ph/sXcBQ https://archive.ph/sXcBQ
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- xen2xen1 4y agoSteve Jobs told the Dropbox CEO his company was a "feature". You're saying Netflix is the same? I'm not saying Netflix is going to be Disney, but if they did their programming right they could approach that, eventually. At least an HBO.
- btgeekboy 4y agoThey have every opportunity to be an HBO. But they’ve got great tech combined with a collection of content missteps and excessive price hikes. When was the last time HBO’s price went up?
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- nowherebeen 4y agoI don’t think Steve Jobs was wrong in hindsight. How many people still use Dropbox compared to Google Drive. They even shifted focus to B2B. But storage is so cheap nowadays, their moat has completely evaporated.
- blinded 4y agoI wonder if they can sell their video distribution tech as a service? But yes seems like double down on good original context is the best bet.
- Closi 4y agoThey could have done that… 10 years ago. Now lots of other companies are in the marketplace to provide this and Netflix would be a late entrance.
- ThrowITout4321 4y agoNot surprising, since Netflix is to known to quickly "right size" their work force. They are quick to do it and they aren't afraid to over do it. They know that they can quickly replenish their ranks if they over do it since they have some of the best salaries in the industry. Sentimentality is never an issue with them. Here's one of their famous quotes, “We’re a team, not a family. We’re like a pro sports team, not a kid’s recreational team. Netflix leaders hire, develop and cut smartly, so we have stars in every position.”
- scelerat 4y agoFor you kiddos and newbs to startups/corporations out there, nothing anyone says is worth anything unless it's in a legally binding contract. When your boss says, "your department is super important to our company," that is effectively meaningless. I take it back; it has meaning: it means you should wonder why the boss has raised the issue at all.
- dehrmann 4y agoThis is true, and the what the former employee tweeted was somewhat unprofessional, despite the fact that it feels like the rug was pulled out from under you.
- burner556 4y agoHey this is just the new progressive playbook, it's OK to hate on big corps and "billionaires". Check out what this game producer tweeted about her own CEO RE her own unreleased game: https://i.redd.it/yu9im5p38ld81.jpg https://i.redd.it/yu9im5p38ld81.jpg Unprofessionalism for miles.
- dehrmann 4y agoI do hear that hate a lot. People will sneak in "billionaire" and "big business" like it's an inherently bad thing, and the audience is supposed to just agree, without any further explanation. Not that those groups can't be bad, but there are absolutely small businesses with poor ethics and large companies that are good corporate citizens.
- WisNorCan 4y agoThe most perplexing thing about Netflix is that even though they have a reputation for hiring the best, I can’t think of a single way that the experience is better than Disney, HBO or Apple TV. And this is after 25 years of investing in technology.
- dehrmann 4y agoDon't forget that Netflix was early to the streaming game. The others likely hired a few key Netflix people on the tech side to avoid having to relearn their lessons. The others (except for Apple) were also earlier to the content space, so their back catalogs are better.
- WisNorCan 4y agoThat is true. But you would expect that they would have found something really substantive to show after 25 years of investing in technology. I am not sure what the lesson is. But something seems to have gone really wrong for Netflix. Not just on the content side, but also with their technology investments.
- djohnston 4y agoI disagree, their tech put them into the spotlight, they never had content. In the streaming industry content can't be copied or replicated as easy as years-old technology. My point is they could never get this far without their tech edge but it won't keep them afloat in the copyright-laden world we inhabit.
- JBits 4y agoFor me, Netflix's UI works pretty well while the Disney+ UI is an exercise in frustration. With Disney+, watching the credits required clicking on just the right bit and there's no obvious way to go from the episode itself to the episode list.
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- mensetmanusman 4y agoI wonder if Netflix should leverage same day delivery and start doing more physical copies again. Now that digital is ‘refragmenting’ it would be funny if the red disks came back to get around all these silos.
- kikoreis 4y agoBut what would regular people use to play these DVDs?
- PolygonSheep 4y ago> Now that digital is ‘refragmenting’ it would be funny if the red disks came back to get around all these silos. I'm not an IP law expert, but does anyone know why fragmentation isn't such a problem with music? You never hear someone complaining that they have to subscribe to eight different music streaming services to hear all the popular songs. It seems the big music streaming services all have pretty much all the popular artists. Why isn't it this way for video content?
- CamperBob2 4y agoVideo is much more expensive to produce than music. That leads rightsholders to want to exercise more control over distribution, even though doing so paradoxically decreases their market share. You also get a lot of productions that are financed in-house. Few HBO properties are going to be available on Netflix and vice-versa. The filmmakers had no choice but sign with someone, giving them access to a particular subscriber base at the expense of the broader market.
- PolygonSheep 4y ago> Now that digital is ‘refragmenting’ it would be funny if the red disks came back to get around all these silos. I'm not an IP law expert, but does anyone know why fragmentation isn't such a problem with music? You never hear someone complaining that they have to subscribe to eight different music streaming services to hear all the popular songs. It seems the big music streaming services all have pretty much all the popular artists and you can just pick one and listen to all the hits, regardless of which label they're on. Why isn't it this way for video content?
- dudul 4y agoThey hired writers from jezebel and are now wondering why people are sick of their trash?
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