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Because there’s more to high school than just classes. It’s important to learn how to deal with people as well. A purely virtual high school experience sounds e

Because there’s more to high school than just classes. It’s important to learn how to deal with people as well. A purely virtual high school experience sounds extremely lonely and thin for the soul.

frontman1988 5y ago
Social learning can happen outside school in sports or other hobby related activities. High school is actually quite a weird place to learn social skills.
- DeWilde 5y ago
  Yes, but the 5-6 hours you spend within a school alongside 3-4 hours you can spend on sports and hobbies probably out-competes just sports and hobbies.
- MrBlueIncognito 5y ago
  Not every kid is going to be a part of sports and hobbies clubs. A lot of us never had any friends outside of school. We need some kind of institution to facilitate social interactions between children. Till date that has been the function of schools. Moving away from this model, without proper deliberation, is sure to cause problems afterwards. And then we’ll all look back and ask why the world’s feeling more isolated than ever.
DocTomoe 5y ago
And we all know the best way to learn about how to deal with people is putting them in a group of incompatible people in a high-stress, prison-like environment. What could possibly go wrong? As long as high schools are facilities that push some people to extreme actions I think the 'social education' you would get there is too expensive for society as a whole.
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- andrewinardeer 5y ago
  I find that your first paragraph is very negative and has an insular posture. Dealing and managing with other people who are incompatible with your ethics and morality is an important skill to learn. Not only does it help you learn asseriveness and diplomacy it also allows one to gain an insight into your own personal bias and teaches you how to respond and not react. A lot of grown, so called 'adults' still need to learn this skill set from my observations in day to day life.
  - IshKebab 5y ago
    Yeah I definitely remember everyone learning to be diplomatic in high school. /s
  - DocTomoe 5y ago
    I love how you bring up diplomacy. It brings up all kinds of associations, good old Clausewitz not being the least of them when you consider what else happens at schools.
  - password54321 5y ago
    In a perfect world that's what school teaches you. What gets you through high school in a lot of social circumstances is nothing close to any sort of diplomatic behaviour or assertiveness. The louder more aggressive person usually came out on top. Maybe a lot of people here went to some private school where somehow logic, analytical ability and being polite is what got you through but that certainly doesn't describe where I went and can't imagine a public school being this way.
donthellbanme 5y ago
The minute I found out I could work, and go to a Communty College, instead of going to high school I thought I won the lottery. Long story short my high school allowed gave credit for working, and going to a Communty College. Once I got to the CC it was relief. My classmates were a lot older, but that was great. Their was no BS. I made great friends. I didn't like high school much. I was respected because I was a good athlete, but hated high school. I also got a few brownie points because I survived a fight with the ultimate school bully. I went to the same school that our CA governor went to. He was ahead of me, but only graduated because his parents helped him out along the way. I could go on, but don't have the energy tonight. He is very open about his learning difficulties. O.k. so back to my high school memories. My acne was so bad, I just wanted to hide. My hormones were crazy. I remember having to get to the school at 7:00 for no reason other than listening to some disenfranchised tenure teacher rattle on about their gripes in life. The only thing I liked about high school was a kind biology teacher, and looking at those cheer leaders. Even at the time, I thought those four years in high school could have been condensed to two year if properly administrated. If I had a kid, and they hated high school like myself, I would walk them into a CC admissions office.
- gscott 5y ago
  So many high schools are dysfuntional I was able to get my son into Cc for the last two years of high school. Made a huge difference in his life.
magpi3 5y ago
I hear this argument a lot, but lets's ask the question: are high schools the best way to learn to "deal with people?" How much trauma have high schools inspired and can we do better now that we have other options?
- azinman2 5y ago
  No one is shitty like children are. It’s part of growing up and a great source of bad interactions that teach us about the world and ourselves. If the only thing you do in life is protect yourself into a perfect atmosphere, the less you are prepared for the real world which is unpredictable and full of trauma.
  - magpi3 5y ago
    Is this opinion just Stockholm syndrome since we were all forced to go through it? What other models do we have to compare it to? I would argue that segregating children by age for schooling purposes is a relatively modern idea that probably runs counter to tens if not hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.
nvarsj 5y ago
Learning social skills in high school is more like learning how to survive in a prison yard - it couldn't be more far removed from adult social skills. I'd say functional, healthy high schools are in the tiny minority, and generally are private and small.
txsoftwaredev 5y ago
Do you believe that kids that do online learning never leave their home or have any friends? That's a pretty ignorant view. There are tons of opportunities for kids to have positive social interactions with peers as well as younger and older children, as well as adults. Being forced to interact with a handful of kids around their age in a public school is not a great way to socializing. My kids are all homeschooled, including parent taught as well as online education, and have friends of different ages with caring parents that are all very involved. They have outside activities including, music, PE, play time with friends at the park, zoo trips, museums etc.

frontman1988 5y ago

Social learning can happen outside school in sports or other hobby related activities. High school is actually quite a weird place to learn social skills.

DeWilde 5y ago
Yes, but the 5-6 hours you spend within a school alongside 3-4 hours you can spend on sports and hobbies probably out-competes just sports and hobbies.
MrBlueIncognito 5y ago
Not every kid is going to be a part of sports and hobbies clubs. A lot of us never had any friends outside of school. We need some kind of institution to facilitate social interactions between children. Till date that has been the function of schools. Moving away from this model, without proper deliberation, is sure to cause problems afterwards. And then we’ll all look back and ask why the world’s feeling more isolated than ever.

DocTomoe 5y ago

And we all know the best way to learn about how to deal with people is putting them in a group of incompatible people in a high-stress, prison-like environment. What could possibly go wrong? As long as high schools are facilities that push some people to extreme actions I think the 'social education' you would get there is too expensive for society as a whole.

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andrewinardeer 5y ago
I find that your first paragraph is very negative and has an insular posture. Dealing and managing with other people who are incompatible with your ethics and morality is an important skill to learn. Not only does it help you learn asseriveness and diplomacy it also allows one to gain an insight into your own personal bias and teaches you how to respond and not react. A lot of grown, so called 'adults' still need to learn this skill set from my observations in day to day life.
- IshKebab 5y ago
  Yeah I definitely remember everyone learning to be diplomatic in high school. /s
- DocTomoe 5y ago
  I love how you bring up diplomacy. It brings up all kinds of associations, good old Clausewitz not being the least of them when you consider what else happens at schools.
- password54321 5y ago
  In a perfect world that's what school teaches you. What gets you through high school in a lot of social circumstances is nothing close to any sort of diplomatic behaviour or assertiveness. The louder more aggressive person usually came out on top. Maybe a lot of people here went to some private school where somehow logic, analytical ability and being polite is what got you through but that certainly doesn't describe where I went and can't imagine a public school being this way.

donthellbanme 5y ago

The minute I found out I could work, and go to a Communty College, instead of going to high school I thought I won the lottery. Long story short my high school allowed gave credit for working, and going to a Communty College. Once I got to the CC it was relief. My classmates were a lot older, but that was great. Their was no BS. I made great friends. I didn't like high school much. I was respected because I was a good athlete, but hated high school. I also got a few brownie points because I survived a fight with the ultimate school bully. I went to the same school that our CA governor went to. He was ahead of me, but only graduated because his parents helped him out along the way. I could go on, but don't have the energy tonight. He is very open about his learning difficulties. O.k. so back to my high school memories. My acne was so bad, I just wanted to hide. My hormones were crazy. I remember having to get to the school at 7:00 for no reason other than listening to some disenfranchised tenure teacher rattle on about their gripes in life. The only thing I liked about high school was a kind biology teacher, and looking at those cheer leaders. Even at the time, I thought those four years in high school could have been condensed to two year if properly administrated. If I had a kid, and they hated high school like myself, I would walk them into a CC admissions office.

gscott 5y ago
So many high schools are dysfuntional I was able to get my son into Cc for the last two years of high school. Made a huge difference in his life.

magpi3 5y ago

I hear this argument a lot, but lets's ask the question: are high schools the best way to learn to "deal with people?" How much trauma have high schools inspired and can we do better now that we have other options?

azinman2 5y ago
No one is shitty like children are. It’s part of growing up and a great source of bad interactions that teach us about the world and ourselves. If the only thing you do in life is protect yourself into a perfect atmosphere, the less you are prepared for the real world which is unpredictable and full of trauma.
- magpi3 5y ago
  Is this opinion just Stockholm syndrome since we were all forced to go through it? What other models do we have to compare it to? I would argue that segregating children by age for schooling purposes is a relatively modern idea that probably runs counter to tens if not hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.

nvarsj 5y ago

Learning social skills in high school is more like learning how to survive in a prison yard - it couldn't be more far removed from adult social skills. I'd say functional, healthy high schools are in the tiny minority, and generally are private and small.

txsoftwaredev 5y ago

Do you believe that kids that do online learning never leave their home or have any friends? That's a pretty ignorant view. There are tons of opportunities for kids to have positive social interactions with peers as well as younger and older children, as well as adults. Being forced to interact with a handful of kids around their age in a public school is not a great way to socializing. My kids are all homeschooled, including parent taught as well as online education, and have friends of different ages with caring parents that are all very involved. They have outside activities including, music, PE, play time with friends at the park, zoo trips, museums etc.