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"Ultimately more powerful" As a previous BSD engineer please explain further, this entire thread is just horrendous and should be downvoted to oblivion. Nobod

by swozey 5y ago

"Ultimately more powerful" As a previous BSD engineer please explain further, this entire thread is just horrendous and should be downvoted to oblivion. Nobody cares what laptop you decide to use, nor are you incapable of doing your own research. My grandmother calls me for laptop recommendations. My M1 Max 14" MBP has 64gb ram, mucho cores and is the fastest machine I've used. My gaming/dev desktop is a 12core ryzen with 64gb and I prefer to use the Macbook which can sit on my lap without even having a fan running. Did I used to hate Apple? Yes. Do I have a $2500 Dell XPS 13z sitting in a closet that I never use because it throttles so horribly it's useless? Yes.

wtetzner 5y ago
I think you misunderstood "more powerful". I don't think they were referring to the hardware being more powerful, but the OS in terms of its flexibility.
formerkrogemp 5y ago
I'll pay you 5$ and shipping for that XPS.
- swozey 5y ago
  It's being sent to my mom this week, if you make that $1k I'll do it. It's barely 2 years old and has been awful since I got it. I think I just had higher expectations out of its form factor which can't keep itself cool at all.
  - formerkrogemp 5y ago
    I'm always in support of donating laptops to relatives in need. Good on you.
raxxorraxor 5y ago
Well, you might be able to make it work, but the OS simply leaves you less freedom compared to a Linux machine. And you would need to jump through hoops. I am an embedded dev and I have tried. Theoretically it is possible, but you would miss a lot of tooling on the way. I don't really care about performance that much. I have an MB Air with M1 and I like it because the battery and display is very good. But it isn't really used for productivity. I also work in industry and everything here is Windows and maybe Linux. MacOS doesn't exist here. Good luck attaching your Mac to a reflow soldering machine (I have tried too). It just doesn't play well with others and is rather exclusionary itself.
- swozey 5y ago
  Unique devices is definitely a concern! I wasn't sure when I got my Garmin watch if I'd be able to update it from my mac. Thankfully I can.
  - barbacoa 5y ago
    I had to connect a work Macbook to Ethernet. It didn't have a port so I bought a no-name brand USB-to-RJ45 adapter off Amazon. Come to find macOS doesn't have driver support for the adapter even though Windows and Linux are both plug and play. And I wasn't willing to do some backdoor process to install drivers on a work laptop. I had to buy a Apple branded adapter, which was 2x the price and only USB 2 vs the other one being USB 3.
    - swozey 5y ago
      I have a random off-amazon 2.5gbps usb ethernet adapter on my M1 and it works great. I did specifically make sure someone said it worked on a mac, but wasn't sure about on ARM.
eertami 5y ago
I too have an M1 MBP and XPS 13. I pretty much always use the XPS. Side by side, there is no noticeable difference in speed for my everyday work. The MBP is more efficient for sure, but I get 8+ hours of battery from the XPS which is good enough - and I can run Linux without jumping through hoops. Edit: Missed the 'z', sorry, possibly explains different experiences.
- swozey 5y ago
  Mine is the ultrabook, the XPS 13z 2n1. It throttles nonstop, I've even gone so far to rip it open and attempted to re-paste everything inside of it. Unfortunately the ultrabook CPU can't be de-lidded and pasted without breaking things, I was actually the first person on /r/dell to rip this laptop open.. The XPS 13 is a much larger device (better cooling). The 13z ruined me ever buying another Dell. I really wanted to love that laptop and NOT buy a $3k macbook. I really want the 2n1 feature.
  - aenis 5y ago
    My wife has one of those things for work. She had to downclock the CPU in order to prevent it from running the fans at full speed for her workflows. After that, it was OK, slow, but at least no longer too loud to have a conversation next to it.
- Lio 5y ago
  8 hours is amazingly good for an XPS13 in my experience. My XP13 9370 running Fedora lasts maybe 2 hours at a push. I'm actually considering moving back to a 14" MacBook Pro because of the battery life. Rumours of an imminent M2 upgrade are about the only thing stopping me now.
  - swozey 5y ago
    I got the 14" Max when they first came out and it's an absolutely fantastic laptop. I love it. The Max battery life is quite a bit worse than the regular M1, if thats your main concern go with the non-Max.
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smoldesu 5y ago
Different strokes for different folks. My Macbook collects dust whenever I'm home because I'd vastly prefer to do my work on a desktop Linux box. I don't have to spend my time updating coreutils, fighting Homebrew, fixing my screen sharing permissions for the 6th time this month, or really much of anything. My desktop and the systems we deploy to have almost complete parity.
- password4321 5y ago
  > fighting Homebrew I switched to MacPorts when Homebrew moved on from macOS Mojave... now I wish I had done so much sooner!
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    MacPorts is pretty unstable (in my experience). Felt like 2011-era Arch Linux all over again... Honestly, Nix is the only package manager I really like on Mac.
    - password4321 5y ago
      Appreciate the anecdata! Have they straightened out the issue(s) with a read-only root directory, and installation / uninstall? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30917354#30918593 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30917354#30918593 > seems to be an issue of macOS and the root dir being read-only > Took me a month to finally remove Nix from my macOS https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/6206#issuecomment-1059381471 https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/6206#issuecomment-105938...
      - smoldesu 5y ago
        I believe that's fixed upstream. Afaik, those issues stem from some strange FileVault/APFS inconsistencies, and have patches coming to fix it (in it's current incarnation). I don't dev on Macs unless I have to though, so I really couldn't say for sure.
freeopinion 5y ago
If I pay for shipping, would you part with the XPS?
- swozey 5y ago
  I'll sell it for cheap, ie 1kish but it's going to my mom next week otherwise
princevegeta89 5y ago
How does M1 play with an external 4K monitor? I have a 2020 Mac with the highest fucking configuration (32GB RAM and i7 8-core 10th gen) and the fans on it are always going off. I figure a laptop with a discrete GPU can handle external screens and graphics much better than integrated, but was wondering what your take on the M1 mac for this would be.
- swozey 5y ago
  I use a 49" Samsung monitor that does 4k and like you mentioned my Intel work macbook pro is constantly spinning fans/hot. The M1 I honestly haven't noticed it making any noise while plugged into it. It also runs a lot better, less graphic glitches and weirdness. I don't like having to use my work mbp at all anymore.
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  - princevegeta89 5y ago
    To the commenter above this, is the M1 able to handle a 4k resolution on well its own ground?
    - matwood 5y ago
      I had an M1 MBA and it ran my 4k monitor fine. I would use it and the laptop screen at the same time. Great machine. I ended up giving it to my wife and getting an M1 MBP because I needed more than 16gb RAM for my workflows.
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by swozey 5y ago

wtetzner 5y ago

I think you misunderstood "more powerful". I don't think they were referring to the hardware being more powerful, but the OS in terms of its flexibility.

formerkrogemp 5y ago

I'll pay you 5$ and shipping for that XPS.

swozey 5y ago
It's being sent to my mom this week, if you make that $1k I'll do it. It's barely 2 years old and has been awful since I got it. I think I just had higher expectations out of its form factor which can't keep itself cool at all.
- formerkrogemp 5y ago
  I'm always in support of donating laptops to relatives in need. Good on you.

raxxorraxor 5y ago

Well, you might be able to make it work, but the OS simply leaves you less freedom compared to a Linux machine. And you would need to jump through hoops. I am an embedded dev and I have tried. Theoretically it is possible, but you would miss a lot of tooling on the way. I don't really care about performance that much. I have an MB Air with M1 and I like it because the battery and display is very good. But it isn't really used for productivity. I also work in industry and everything here is Windows and maybe Linux. MacOS doesn't exist here. Good luck attaching your Mac to a reflow soldering machine (I have tried too). It just doesn't play well with others and is rather exclusionary itself.

swozey 5y ago
Unique devices is definitely a concern! I wasn't sure when I got my Garmin watch if I'd be able to update it from my mac. Thankfully I can.
- barbacoa 5y ago
  I had to connect a work Macbook to Ethernet. It didn't have a port so I bought a no-name brand USB-to-RJ45 adapter off Amazon. Come to find macOS doesn't have driver support for the adapter even though Windows and Linux are both plug and play. And I wasn't willing to do some backdoor process to install drivers on a work laptop. I had to buy a Apple branded adapter, which was 2x the price and only USB 2 vs the other one being USB 3.
  - swozey 5y ago
    I have a random off-amazon 2.5gbps usb ethernet adapter on my M1 and it works great. I did specifically make sure someone said it worked on a mac, but wasn't sure about on ARM.

eertami 5y ago

I too have an M1 MBP and XPS 13. I pretty much always use the XPS. Side by side, there is no noticeable difference in speed for my everyday work. The MBP is more efficient for sure, but I get 8+ hours of battery from the XPS which is good enough - and I can run Linux without jumping through hoops. Edit: Missed the 'z', sorry, possibly explains different experiences.

swozey 5y ago
Mine is the ultrabook, the XPS 13z 2n1. It throttles nonstop, I've even gone so far to rip it open and attempted to re-paste everything inside of it. Unfortunately the ultrabook CPU can't be de-lidded and pasted without breaking things, I was actually the first person on /r/dell to rip this laptop open.. The XPS 13 is a much larger device (better cooling). The 13z ruined me ever buying another Dell. I really wanted to love that laptop and NOT buy a $3k macbook. I really want the 2n1 feature.
- aenis 5y ago
  My wife has one of those things for work. She had to downclock the CPU in order to prevent it from running the fans at full speed for her workflows. After that, it was OK, slow, but at least no longer too loud to have a conversation next to it.
Lio 5y ago
8 hours is amazingly good for an XPS13 in my experience. My XP13 9370 running Fedora lasts maybe 2 hours at a push. I'm actually considering moving back to a 14" MacBook Pro because of the battery life. Rumours of an imminent M2 upgrade are about the only thing stopping me now.
- swozey 5y ago
  I got the 14" Max when they first came out and it's an absolutely fantastic laptop. I love it. The Max battery life is quite a bit worse than the regular M1, if thats your main concern go with the non-Max.
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smoldesu 5y ago

Different strokes for different folks. My Macbook collects dust whenever I'm home because I'd vastly prefer to do my work on a desktop Linux box. I don't have to spend my time updating coreutils, fighting Homebrew, fixing my screen sharing permissions for the 6th time this month, or really much of anything. My desktop and the systems we deploy to have almost complete parity.

password4321 5y ago
> fighting Homebrew I switched to MacPorts when Homebrew moved on from macOS Mojave... now I wish I had done so much sooner!
- smoldesu 5y ago
  MacPorts is pretty unstable (in my experience). Felt like 2011-era Arch Linux all over again... Honestly, Nix is the only package manager I really like on Mac.
  - password4321 5y ago
    Appreciate the anecdata! Have they straightened out the issue(s) with a read-only root directory, and installation / uninstall? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30917354#30918593 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30917354#30918593 > seems to be an issue of macOS and the root dir being read-only > Took me a month to finally remove Nix from my macOS https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/6206#issuecomment-1059381471 https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/6206#issuecomment-105938...
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      I believe that's fixed upstream. Afaik, those issues stem from some strange FileVault/APFS inconsistencies, and have patches coming to fix it (in it's current incarnation). I don't dev on Macs unless I have to though, so I really couldn't say for sure.

freeopinion 5y ago

If I pay for shipping, would you part with the XPS?

swozey 5y ago
I'll sell it for cheap, ie 1kish but it's going to my mom next week otherwise

princevegeta89 5y ago

How does M1 play with an external 4K monitor? I have a 2020 Mac with the highest fucking configuration (32GB RAM and i7 8-core 10th gen) and the fans on it are always going off. I figure a laptop with a discrete GPU can handle external screens and graphics much better than integrated, but was wondering what your take on the M1 mac for this would be.

swozey 5y ago
I use a 49" Samsung monitor that does 4k and like you mentioned my Intel work macbook pro is constantly spinning fans/hot. The M1 I honestly haven't noticed it making any noise while plugged into it. It also runs a lot better, less graphic glitches and weirdness. I don't like having to use my work mbp at all anymore.
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- princevegeta89 5y ago
  To the commenter above this, is the M1 able to handle a 4k resolution on well its own ground?
  - matwood 5y ago
    I had an M1 MBA and it ran my 4k monitor fine. I would use it and the laptop screen at the same time. Great machine. I ended up giving it to my wife and getting an M1 MBP because I needed more than 16gb RAM for my workflows.
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