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It smells, China systematically prepare to seize Taiwan, so will got extremely hard sanctions, and they create their own CPUs, GPUs.

by simne 5y ago

noobermin 5y ago
While I'm wary for Taiwan what does that have to do at all with this story??? This sort of sentiment reminds me of those Americans who want to stop drinking Vodka over the invasion of Ukraine.
- kova12 5y ago
  I think what he's trying to say is that China wants to have GPU production ready before it happens, so that they are not left without technology once the sanctions kick in
  - noobermin 5y ago
    While they likely are subject to government scrutiny and probably will have to heel to the government in case they want them to put in backdoors or something, one small fresh company (from 2020) does not signal CCCP policy, although they probably should if they were smart start some level of manufacturing separate from Taiwan. If it were part of a push directly from the government I'd understand that but it sounds like this is unique because they are the first and currently, only, company trying to make gpus. Otherwise this is a bad reading of things, that every single Chinese company is somehow the arm of the CCCP which is way too simplistic.
  - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
    But is this getting ready for that? Until China can produce its own fab equipment (taking Taiwan intact won’t help here), they will simply have fancy designs that they can’t produce. It doesn’t make sense unless they are betting on continued business relationship with the west.
    - simne 5y ago
      > Until China can produce its own fab equipment Nobody in this world could make such sophisticated equipment alone. Unfortunately this is truth, which is not studied in typical University. Even more - in Russia Universities teach people, some sort of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche And their government constantly spend huge resources for propaganda, to keep people minds in this perverted world. So Russians believe on some esoteric things. For example they believe, that Russia grows, when isolates from world (this is not true). This is totally typical way of totalitarian societies - they create their own closed mythology and once isolate from truth so much, so they do weird things, and then fatal things, like Russian invasion to Ukraine, which for my believe have started countdown for disintegration of Russia. I'm not too much philanthropist, I just know too much about Israel, which suffer from constant visits of terrorists from the poorest countries around it. I prefer to have something like North Korea - mostly harmless country-museum.
      - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
        A couple of countries (USA and Germany) basically have a monopoly fab equipment production, and keep the secrets of such production closely guarded. Until China can re-invent semiconductors on their own (an inevitable event, but probably not anytime soon), they are reliant on the west to product any semiconductors at all.
        simne 5y ago
        Monopoly is not this case. This is case of extreme complexity, which could not handled by one country, even by so big country. In reality, all G7 economies involved in semiconductor produce, and they also use lot of resources of other countries - this is how reality look. When somebody will create General AI, capable to substitute scientist, but to be strict, when this somebody will have thousands or maybe 100s thousands of such artificial scientists, this somebody will have opportunity to make his own semiconductor monopoly, but not earlier.
  - trasz 5y ago
  - simne 5y ago
    I tried to say, China plan to do things, which will provoke sanctions. And to avoid complications, China prepare to live under sanctions. I must admit, this is smart behavior, even when I don't support, what China plan to do with Taiwan.
- gibs0ns 5y ago
  Surely there are people of all different nationalities that share that thought? Seems weird to make it only about Americans.
  - QuietCF 5y ago
    Right? This sentiment reminds me of the French guys that think all americans make blanket statements. Now wait a second...
  - trasz 5y ago
    It’s mostly Americans, because this opinion has no basis in facts. China hasn’t invaded anyone in decades, repeatedly says it won’t, and even written this down in their constitution.
- adventured 5y ago
  Ending the consumption of Russian vodka is an excellent economic protest move in fact, along with all of their other exports (many of which Biden has already begun neutering). Of course that's not what your comment was reaching for.
  - simne 5y ago
    BTW, Russian vodka at least few last years, is not so good quality, that have been in past. If you like this type of drinks, I suggest you to drink Ukrainian vodka, it is really much better :)
- starchild_3001 5y ago
  If you're reading a tech news coming out of China, and aren't thinking about politics, you're doing something wrong. Every tech company in China is in part owned or supported by the chinese government. Hard to talk about "independent tech". They're more like "national tech". Today and the next 50 years in tech is being defined by the competition between the two superpowers. Their national objectives differ vastly. China: aiming to invade Taiwan; proving everyone that their totalitarian system is competitive with democracy; proving that they can lead the world. US aiming to stay a leader; maintaining the global stability; maintaining the economic & military supremacy. Both economies are trying to slowly decouple from each other, gain independence, and prove their superiority. This is the story of our ages.
  - ncmncm 5y ago
    By report their economy is facing imminent collapse as a real estate bubble pops. I don't know whether this makes invasion of Taiwan soon more or less likely.
    - iforgotpassword 5y ago
      "experts" have been seeing this imminent collapse for 20 years now. It will eventually be true, but that's true for a lot of things if you keep claiming them for long enough.
    - simne 5y ago
      Sure, slowing of China economy will make invasion to Taiwan more likely, for same reasons for which Hitler and Putin invades neighbors - all empires need to constantly show their people wins, or they will collapse.
  - starchild_3001 5y ago
    Re: Chinese real estate bubble. It's been almost 10 years since news outlets and finance people have claimed a RE bubble in China. Nothing happened. Buyer (of RE and the bubble hype) beware. "60 mins" from 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxjwhk1ktNw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxjwhk1ktNw
- simne 5y ago
  I don't like to copy-paste my comments, but here is right place. I live in Kiev, Ukraine, and just 46 days ago I thought nearly same about possible Russian invasion to Ukraine. Now I few days per week spend on finding products to eat, because we have real war and we have some problems with supply (I will not ask you to talk here about military needs, but they are also exists and they are very significant). Now I thank to Gods, for my friends decisions, who where not agree with me and evacuated their families, before I change my mind. And also I'm very enjoyed by decisions of NATO countries in Europe, to enhance their defense, because this is not the end. - Predator will not calm down, when/if he capture Ukraine or Taiwan - he will continue looking for other capture opportunities - next could be Kazakhstan, or Vietnam, or South Korea, or even Japan. Just read history of Second World War - it have begin in Africa, and than where millions victims in Europe.
  - hungryhobo 5y ago
    then you should probably realize the Ukrainian government actually recognizes taiwan as part of china. so i feel your fear is misplaced.
    - simne 5y ago
      Your comment misplaced. Before Russian annexation, Crimea where part of Ukraine, but they have large level of autonomy, they could make their regulations on languages, on culture. Sure, Crimea authorities have to consider, that unlike Nazi Russia, Ukraine is really multinational country, so Crimea have to build Ukrainian language schools, and Crimean Tatar language schools, not only Russian language schools. Very similar thing could happen with Taiwan. - Now it have autonomy, but China authorities want to assimilate Taiwan, to make it much more Chinese and much less Western. Before China assimilated Tibet, and also China make bad things in Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, and adequate people don't want for these things to spread to Taiwan.
halJordan 5y ago
If this scares you wait until you hear about “Made in China 2025.”
- simne 5y ago
  Considering, I'm Ukrainian, just now in Kiev, and China avoiding to implement sanctions against Russia, I believe, I will not see anything from China in 2025. Because all those "Made in China", now look for me, as made from Ukrainian blood.
emodendroket 5y ago
If you've been paying any attention, denying access to cutting-edge chips to China is a key part of the US's plan for competition and/or conflict with China right now. Even if China has no intent to make any major moves anytime soon they'd be complete fools to not be trying to secure their own supply.
- simne 5y ago
  I must say, I partially agree with you. Just except one thing - I lived in USSR and I know too much about soviet (communists) outlook, and about non-fair play. So what important - unfortunately, China is not fair player. - All soviet/communists spent significant resources for espionage, etc. - Espionage is totally different from fair playing gathering information from open sources. For people with really good knowledge, these things are easy distinguishable. And US sanctions against China where exactly because espionage, and because other non-fair play, not because competition.
  - MrYellowP 5y ago
    > All soviet/communists spent significant resources for espionage, etc. Do you seriously believe that western countries don't? Seriously? None of them play fair. Not one. It makes no sense to do so! Stop eating the propaganda.
    - simne 5y ago
      I partially agree, sure all countries use some sort of espionage and non-fair game, but difference in share of these activities from all. - For soviet/communists, espionage and non-fair game are primary activities, because they absolutely avoid very normal for human exchange relations, more known as trade, which are primary for democracy countries.
poulpy123 5y ago
I don't get why they would be sanctioned while the US were not sanctioned for their invasion of Iraq, and Saudi Arabia isn't sanctioned for the war on Yemen
- spacemanmatt 5y ago
  I have said before that America harbors war criminals.

It smells, China systematically prepare to seize Taiwan, so will got extremely hard sanctions, and they create their own CPUs, GPUs.

by simne 5y ago

It smells, China systematically prepare to seize Taiwan, so will got extremely hard sanctions, and they create their own CPUs, GPUs.

noobermin 5y ago

While I'm wary for Taiwan what does that have to do at all with this story??? This sort of sentiment reminds me of those Americans who want to stop drinking Vodka over the invasion of Ukraine.

kova12 5y ago
I think what he's trying to say is that China wants to have GPU production ready before it happens, so that they are not left without technology once the sanctions kick in
- noobermin 5y ago
  While they likely are subject to government scrutiny and probably will have to heel to the government in case they want them to put in backdoors or something, one small fresh company (from 2020) does not signal CCCP policy, although they probably should if they were smart start some level of manufacturing separate from Taiwan. If it were part of a push directly from the government I'd understand that but it sounds like this is unique because they are the first and currently, only, company trying to make gpus. Otherwise this is a bad reading of things, that every single Chinese company is somehow the arm of the CCCP which is way too simplistic.
- seanmcdirmid 5y ago
  But is this getting ready for that? Until China can produce its own fab equipment (taking Taiwan intact won’t help here), they will simply have fancy designs that they can’t produce. It doesn’t make sense unless they are betting on continued business relationship with the west.
  - simne 5y ago
    > Until China can produce its own fab equipment Nobody in this world could make such sophisticated equipment alone. Unfortunately this is truth, which is not studied in typical University. Even more - in Russia Universities teach people, some sort of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche And their government constantly spend huge resources for propaganda, to keep people minds in this perverted world. So Russians believe on some esoteric things. For example they believe, that Russia grows, when isolates from world (this is not true). This is totally typical way of totalitarian societies - they create their own closed mythology and once isolate from truth so much, so they do weird things, and then fatal things, like Russian invasion to Ukraine, which for my believe have started countdown for disintegration of Russia. I'm not too much philanthropist, I just know too much about Israel, which suffer from constant visits of terrorists from the poorest countries around it. I prefer to have something like North Korea - mostly harmless country-museum.
    - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
      A couple of countries (USA and Germany) basically have a monopoly fab equipment production, and keep the secrets of such production closely guarded. Until China can re-invent semiconductors on their own (an inevitable event, but probably not anytime soon), they are reliant on the west to product any semiconductors at all.
      - simne 5y ago
        Monopoly is not this case. This is case of extreme complexity, which could not handled by one country, even by so big country. In reality, all G7 economies involved in semiconductor produce, and they also use lot of resources of other countries - this is how reality look. When somebody will create General AI, capable to substitute scientist, but to be strict, when this somebody will have thousands or maybe 100s thousands of such artificial scientists, this somebody will have opportunity to make his own semiconductor monopoly, but not earlier.
- trasz 5y ago
- simne 5y ago
  I tried to say, China plan to do things, which will provoke sanctions. And to avoid complications, China prepare to live under sanctions. I must admit, this is smart behavior, even when I don't support, what China plan to do with Taiwan.
gibs0ns 5y ago
Surely there are people of all different nationalities that share that thought? Seems weird to make it only about Americans.
- QuietCF 5y ago
  Right? This sentiment reminds me of the French guys that think all americans make blanket statements. Now wait a second...
- trasz 5y ago
  It’s mostly Americans, because this opinion has no basis in facts. China hasn’t invaded anyone in decades, repeatedly says it won’t, and even written this down in their constitution.
adventured 5y ago
Ending the consumption of Russian vodka is an excellent economic protest move in fact, along with all of their other exports (many of which Biden has already begun neutering). Of course that's not what your comment was reaching for.
- simne 5y ago
  BTW, Russian vodka at least few last years, is not so good quality, that have been in past. If you like this type of drinks, I suggest you to drink Ukrainian vodka, it is really much better :)
starchild_3001 5y ago
If you're reading a tech news coming out of China, and aren't thinking about politics, you're doing something wrong. Every tech company in China is in part owned or supported by the chinese government. Hard to talk about "independent tech". They're more like "national tech". Today and the next 50 years in tech is being defined by the competition between the two superpowers. Their national objectives differ vastly. China: aiming to invade Taiwan; proving everyone that their totalitarian system is competitive with democracy; proving that they can lead the world. US aiming to stay a leader; maintaining the global stability; maintaining the economic & military supremacy. Both economies are trying to slowly decouple from each other, gain independence, and prove their superiority. This is the story of our ages.
- ncmncm 5y ago
  By report their economy is facing imminent collapse as a real estate bubble pops. I don't know whether this makes invasion of Taiwan soon more or less likely.
  - iforgotpassword 5y ago
    "experts" have been seeing this imminent collapse for 20 years now. It will eventually be true, but that's true for a lot of things if you keep claiming them for long enough.
  - simne 5y ago
    Sure, slowing of China economy will make invasion to Taiwan more likely, for same reasons for which Hitler and Putin invades neighbors - all empires need to constantly show their people wins, or they will collapse.
- starchild_3001 5y ago
  Re: Chinese real estate bubble. It's been almost 10 years since news outlets and finance people have claimed a RE bubble in China. Nothing happened. Buyer (of RE and the bubble hype) beware. "60 mins" from 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxjwhk1ktNw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxjwhk1ktNw
simne 5y ago
I don't like to copy-paste my comments, but here is right place. I live in Kiev, Ukraine, and just 46 days ago I thought nearly same about possible Russian invasion to Ukraine. Now I few days per week spend on finding products to eat, because we have real war and we have some problems with supply (I will not ask you to talk here about military needs, but they are also exists and they are very significant). Now I thank to Gods, for my friends decisions, who where not agree with me and evacuated their families, before I change my mind. And also I'm very enjoyed by decisions of NATO countries in Europe, to enhance their defense, because this is not the end. - Predator will not calm down, when/if he capture Ukraine or Taiwan - he will continue looking for other capture opportunities - next could be Kazakhstan, or Vietnam, or South Korea, or even Japan. Just read history of Second World War - it have begin in Africa, and than where millions victims in Europe.
- hungryhobo 5y ago
  then you should probably realize the Ukrainian government actually recognizes taiwan as part of china. so i feel your fear is misplaced.
  - simne 5y ago
    Your comment misplaced. Before Russian annexation, Crimea where part of Ukraine, but they have large level of autonomy, they could make their regulations on languages, on culture. Sure, Crimea authorities have to consider, that unlike Nazi Russia, Ukraine is really multinational country, so Crimea have to build Ukrainian language schools, and Crimean Tatar language schools, not only Russian language schools. Very similar thing could happen with Taiwan. - Now it have autonomy, but China authorities want to assimilate Taiwan, to make it much more Chinese and much less Western. Before China assimilated Tibet, and also China make bad things in Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, and adequate people don't want for these things to spread to Taiwan.

halJordan 5y ago

If this scares you wait until you hear about “Made in China 2025.”

simne 5y ago
Considering, I'm Ukrainian, just now in Kiev, and China avoiding to implement sanctions against Russia, I believe, I will not see anything from China in 2025. Because all those "Made in China", now look for me, as made from Ukrainian blood.

emodendroket 5y ago

If you've been paying any attention, denying access to cutting-edge chips to China is a key part of the US's plan for competition and/or conflict with China right now. Even if China has no intent to make any major moves anytime soon they'd be complete fools to not be trying to secure their own supply.

simne 5y ago
I must say, I partially agree with you. Just except one thing - I lived in USSR and I know too much about soviet (communists) outlook, and about non-fair play. So what important - unfortunately, China is not fair player. - All soviet/communists spent significant resources for espionage, etc. - Espionage is totally different from fair playing gathering information from open sources. For people with really good knowledge, these things are easy distinguishable. And US sanctions against China where exactly because espionage, and because other non-fair play, not because competition.
- MrYellowP 5y ago
  > All soviet/communists spent significant resources for espionage, etc. Do you seriously believe that western countries don't? Seriously? None of them play fair. Not one. It makes no sense to do so! Stop eating the propaganda.
  - simne 5y ago
    I partially agree, sure all countries use some sort of espionage and non-fair game, but difference in share of these activities from all. - For soviet/communists, espionage and non-fair game are primary activities, because they absolutely avoid very normal for human exchange relations, more known as trade, which are primary for democracy countries.

poulpy123 5y ago

I don't get why they would be sanctioned while the US were not sanctioned for their invasion of Iraq, and Saudi Arabia isn't sanctioned for the war on Yemen

spacemanmatt 5y ago
I have said before that America harbors war criminals.