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Samsung's latest Galaxy A53 is 33% slower than the previous Galaxy A52s
- unixhero 4y agoJust like my Galaxy S10 Plus with 512gb (2019) feels identical to my new and expensive Sony Xperia 1 III (2021)
- durnygbur 4y agoGalaxy S10e was the last Android smartphone, if it only wouldn't crack within first weeks I possessed it. Now only Android phablets exist.
- starwind 4y agoI love my S10e but it's probably the last Android I own cause--to your point--everything else is just too big
- Jiejeing 4y agoI am going to make it last as long as I can get the battery replaced and lineage OS keeps pushing updates, after that I’m not sure. Maybe a fairphone that I would carry much less often.
- martin_b 4y agoI love my S10e too. And there is the new S22, which is just tad bigger, I think it could be a reasonable replacement.
- albertopv 4y agoI like "small" phones, Galaxy S10e is the second best android I ever had. First was Sony xperia X Compact, sadly a fall destroyed the screen and the repair was really too expensive and risky. So I bought a xz2 compact, a used one to save something, not the first second hand phone I bought, never had a problem. A bit bigger, but faster, and a total failure: screen suffered of ghost touches until it became unusable, after the purchase I discovered it was a known issue, of course seller blamed me. Last time I bought a used phone. BTW, S10e was the only smartphone not too big and it will be my last android, no more "small" android phones are made. Considering I'm also sick of Google (I'm already gradually switching to other services), when my S10e will stop to work I will switch to an iPhone SE.
- wara23arish 4y agoSony Xperia is one of the most intriguing phones to me. Im currently on an iphone 8 still kicking. If it had a removable battery I would buy it in a heartbeat, I dont think Ill ever need to replace my phone as long as it has good battery health. Problem is, there are almost no phones on the market that do have one. Last one I had was a LG G3.
- summm 4y agoNah, they really dropped the ball with updates. 2 years of security updates for a 1200€ phone?? Note the clock starts ticking as soon as they announce the phone, and it takes ages before it is actually available, resulting in about 1.5 years of security updates. This is laughable for a flagship and should result in a boycott.
- Jiejeing 4y agoSo the rest of the world will finally feel the same pain as europeans with the slower exynos chips…
- rutierut 4y agoAren’t those just for the Asian market?
- nicolas_t 4y agoAsian market mostly get Snapdragon except for South east asia where both are sold. In Europe, it's exclusively exynos and that means that there's pretty much no point in buying Samsung compared to other brands in Europe.
- nixass 4y agoThere are Snapdragons in Europe too. Got myself S20 FE last December with Qualcomm chip in it off Amazon. Same SKU was available among many other retailers in Germany
- AshamedCaptain 4y agoI actually prefer Exynos, most models with Qualcomm do not have unlockable bootloader.
- nicolas_t 4y agoThe exynos vs snapdragon issue is a long standing issue with Samsung. There's also very significant differences between the flagship phones like the S22 ultra sold in EU (exynos) and the ones sold in the US or Asia (snapdragon) Getting an Exynos galaxy means more thermal throttling, lower performances and is just not competitive with other brands for the budget.
- loufe 4y agoFor now, at least. I imagine they'll have caught up before too many generations. Samsung clearly has the resources to keep up.
- nicolas_t 4y agoBased on what I've read it seems to me that the gap has become worth over the years... The last time I remember reading that the exynos was competitive was around the Galaxy S6 so 2015
- sudosysgen 4y agoThe S6 was clearly much better Exynos than Snapdragon. They were competitive for a few years more after.
- mardifoufs 4y agoThat was because the s6 exynos was to first mobile cpu with 14nm and the equivalent snapdragon (810) was a particularly bad SoC. To the point where it was outperformed by previous gen snapdragons. So yes Exynos was competitive then, but mostly because the competition had an exceptionally bad year.
- mardifoufs 4y agoSamsung has been promising that for almost 8 years now. For some reason they absolutely cannot figure out how to design a proper high end SoC. I'm not familiar with the design of exynos chips but I don't understand how they barely do better than Mediatek. They have control over the entire design of their devices and should have performances that is closer to Apple than it is to low/mid-end off the shelf designs.
- lkxijlewlf 4y agoDay to day, anything past an iPhone 6s or 7 and phones pretty much feel the same speed. If you game or edit pics or anything else that needs a faster proc, sure, you'll notice not having the fastest phone. But if you email, reddit, HN, twitter, etc, you're really not going to notice much. Rumors are the iPhone 14 will have the same A15 and only the Pro will get the A16. I think you'll see a bunch of people freak out about this, but honestly, phones really don't need to be faster at this point.
- gruez 4y ago>reddit, [...] twitter Probably not the best examples because they have bloated webapps that are pretty slow/laggy.
- mike97 4y agoFor reddit you can use Infinity or other reddit clients, I use Infinity and I don't even need an account to subscribe to subredits that I want to follow and for me it seems to be a lot faster then the official reddit app.
- 999900000999 4y agoAgreed. Reddit on a desktop does this kinda weird jiggle thing. I thought my eyes were going bad, and then you notice the page is still loading after 10 seconds.
- lkxijlewlf 4y agoFair. But they're laggy on everything.
- alvarlagerlof 4y agoNo
- lkxijlewlf 4y agoYes.
- jotm 4y agoIf the Note 9 is any indication, it's not the hardware, it's the bloody software - Samsung is seemingly terrible at it! The North American Note 9 used a Snapdragon 845 SoC while the European version used Samsung's own Exynos 9810. The Exynos consistently benched lower, had worse battery life and ran hotter. The upside was that the Exynos version has an unlocked bootloader, which is huge imo. With a custom kernel made by hobbyists in their spare time, you can have the 9810 on par with the SD845 or even better. It has great undervolting and overclocking potential on both the CPU and GPU. The difference between the stock Samsung kernel and Zeus for example, is mind boggling. Sadly, flashing a custom ROM on it involves tripping an eFuse and losing some Samsung functionality, but if you don't care about Samsung Pay and whatever other "secure" garbage they offer, it's worth it.
- skavi 4y agoDefinitely not the software. Samsung consistently ships very well tuned flagships. Compare their performance and efficiency to other devices using the same SoC, and that much is clear. Of course, we can only say this about their Qualcomm devices, since there aren’t other Exynos devices to compare against Samsung’s.
- Jweb_Guru 4y agoQualcomm makes all their own firmware, drivers, etc. and my impression is that it's considered to have much better software quality than Samsung's stuff. Take this with a grain of salt though since I'm hearing this second-hand.
- skavi 4y agoDevices using the exact same Qualcomm SoC can have significantly different performance and efficiency [0]. Samsung devices tend to do very well, even though they are typically among the first to ship the chips. In the article I've linked, you'll see the Samsung S10 gets the longest battery life of any device using the Snapdragon 855, while still placing at or near the top in the performance charts. [0]: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14794/snapdragon-855-phone-roundup-searching-for-the-best-implementations/ https://www.anandtech.com/show/14794/snapdragon-855-phone-ro...
- Darmody 4y agoI can't believe how bad Samsung has become. You pay them extra to avoid "Chinese brands" and you get ads everywhere, bloated devices with very bad performance. I'm still using a Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition and even if it's slow, it still works pretty well. It has some stuff in it that I can't get rid off but overall is a great tablet. I've used countless Samsung devices ever since and I only see the quality going down.
- the_snooze 4y agoDoes anyone know why their software is just so so bad? I have Samsung phones for testing and development work, and I don't understand why anyone would ever use these things. They're loaded down with so much half-assed knockoff shovelware of common services, some of which have ads, and nearly all of which keep issuing out useless notifications. It's like Samsung forgot that phones serve people, not the other way around. Samsung software is just so damn needy and won't get out of the way. And it's not like these things are cheap either! The user is very much a paying customer, not a freeloader who's a product to be sold to other businesses.
- mschuster91 4y agoAgreed. The problem is, the competition is worse... basically only with Samsung and Google you have the assurance that you'll get firmware updates for a reasonable amount of time, and Google's palette of devices is limited.
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- marcusjt 4y agoI recommend running Universal Android Debloater [1] on all Samsung devices (I have 2 of them) plus other manufacturers are even worse (e.g. Xiaomi) and the same accept works wonders on them too. [1] https://www.xda-developers.com/universal-android-debloater-update-debloat-list-new-features/ https://www.xda-developers.com/universal-android-debloater-u...
- skavi 4y agoIt is not at all surprising to me that the A52s’ 768G benches higher since it has 4 A78s vs the 1280’s 2. It is surprising that it seems to do better in power as well, since the 1280 is manufactured on a superior process.
- zibzab 4y agoWhat is surprising to me is that they compare A53 to A52s and not A52.
- pipeline_peak 4y agoThey should call it the A51 because that thing looks like an alien with its 5 camera’s. Does anyone else find this sort of flex ridiculous?
- falsenapkin 4y agoI think it's 4 cameras and a flash but yeah I agree still. I've casually tried to read about the cameras and can't really find a good technical source. To me it looks like a lot of one upmanship. Main camera does 64MP but by default shoots in 16MP. Macro/depth cameras are only 5MP. Is a macro lens something people are really clamoring for? I think physical "0.5x" and "2x" make a lot of sense but something about their strategy seems more like marketing check boxes for tech geeks and less about quality.
- tpmx 4y agoFight me: Single-core performance is still much more important than multi-core performance for most things you do on a phone, including web browsing.
- criddell 4y agoI think you underestimate how many games people play on their phones.
- tpmx 4y agoI think you overestimate how many CPU cores those games effectively use in comparison to the daily e.g. webview usage. Very happy to be proven wrong though - I have no direct experience in the modern mobile gaming area.
- lkxijlewlf 4y agoI get down voted every time I say that. Single core performance will always be the best indicator of how fast the phone is IRL. Any application that is basically a wrapper around a javascript heavy web app is going to run like ass on a phone that has a low single core performance even if the phone has great multicore performance.
- tpmx 4y agoI still don't get why this question seems to be almost political.
- _joel 4y agoI actually got one of these a few weeks back to replace the shitshow that was Oneplus Nord. It's working prefectly fine so far and I don't really need to run prime95 on it but this sucks from Samsung.
- Finnucane 4y agoA couple of days ago this guy was holding this phone up as an alternative to the iPhone SE. But this phone is also not good?
- Bilal_io 4y agoI am an Android fan, but I have to admit, no budget or even a mid-range Android phone compares to the iPhone SE. Maybe I am generalizing, but it seems like a safe bet.
- akvadrako 4y agoI would say the Pixel 4a is a good alternative, though it was recently discontinued.
- Bilal_io 4y agoI own the Pixel 4a 5G, it's a solid phone but it's 2 generations old. In comparison, the new iPhone SE is in a league of its own, at least for now.
- akvadrako 4y agoUm, no I mean the non 5g version. It isnt two generations old; I bought it just when it was released, that was under two years ago. That makes it current generation.
- faeriechangling 4y agoDepends on what you value out of a phone. I'd probably never buy an iPhone SE over this due to the screen size of the SE.
- monkeydust 4y agoI would pay more for Samsung with stock Android. Well I would have in the past now I can just buy a Pixel.
- hbn 4y agoCalling what the Pixels run "Stock Android" is a misnomer. Even being lenient, I'd argue Google's phones haven't really run anything close to stock Android since the Nexus 4. The Nexus 5 was when they dropped the AOSP launcher for one that integrated with Google Now to the left of your homescreens, replaced the default messaging app with Hangouts, and that was when the Google apps replacing stock apps really took off. Modern Pixels are certainly not running stock Android.
- ThePowerOfFuet 4y agoGrapheneOS works wonderfully on the Pixels.
- stkdump 4y agoIt only works on Pixels as well.
- danlugo92 4y agoPSA: Don't buy phones with Mediatek chips, they overheat (thus slow down).
- Tade0 4y agoI was just thinking that Samsung's recent chip manufacturing capabilities appear to look somewhat disappointing on paper. Didn't expect a confirmation right away. I used to buy their products, because back in the early 2010s they we're successful as an alternative to Apple - in terms for bang/buck ratio at least. I won't be switching anytime soon because my Galaxy S8 is holding up decently, but news such as these here will make me think twice about choosing them again.
- z2 4y agoI recall Samsung struggling with high end fabrication since the iPhone 6 "chipgate" issue where the CPU (designed by Apple) manufactured by TSMC ran cooler than those by Samsung. It seems this happened again last year with Qualcomm's Snapdragon 888 too: https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2021/05/tsmc-bailed-qualcomm-out-of-a-jam-earlier-this-year-when-the-snapdragon-888-produced-by-samsung-caused-overheating-issues.html https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2021/05/tsmc-ba...
- secondcoming 4y agoMy new phone was a Nokia.
- lizardactivist 4y agoBut will you ever notice, other than if you obsess over benchmarks or play video games all day long?
- faeriechangling 4y agoYes, the performance is low enough to cause jitter/stutter/frame drops just navigating around the UI and hopping between apps. Android can really use as much power as you can throw at it.
- onpensionsterm 4y agoYes because in 2022 Android is still a sluggy slow hellscape
- sheepybloke 4y agoMy wife has one of their lower end old models (A32) and it sometimes lags out playing Netflix. Everything is going fine, and then the video just stutters to the point that it's unwatchable. For comparison, that has a Geekbench score of 500 single threaded and 1650 multithreaded[1]. This is on top of other issues like the wifi just not connecting after a bit, or the bloatware and constant struggle fighting against their incessant notifications. After this, I'm never getting her a Samsung phone again. Please Google, don't kill the Pixel line... you're our only hope. [1] https://unite4buy.com/Samsung-Galaxy-A32-5G-geekbench/ https://unite4buy.com/Samsung-Galaxy-A32-5G-geekbench/
- mrlonglong 4y agoSo happy I ditched Samsung just under two years ago because their Exynos was just kak. Much happier with my OnePlus 8 Pro. I won't have to upgrade my phone for another 3 years hopefully.
- Shadonototra 4y agoas usual European getting scammed, when the leaders will understand that? the US doesn't want koreans to develop their own chip anymore, so they sell their stock of scuffed exynos to EU market
- teleforce 4y agoThis is similar to my experience when S22 was launched and I've got down voted for that [1]. In my case, my two years old (two gen older) S20 entry level smartphone has actually more RAM and better display screen resolution compared to the newly launched S22. [1] Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30286186 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30286186