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Backyard approaching lighting at Adelaide Airport
- coin 4y agoReminds me of Taipei Songshan airport's approach lighting which is just as exposed https://www.flickr.com/photos/kentaroiemoto/4348434393/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/kentaroiemoto/4348434393/in/ph...
- hindsightbias 4y agocrazy!
- cassac 4y agoPoor server…
- hsbauauvhabzb 4y agoI have ‘fond’ memories of being RIM’d to 3mbit then congested to < 50kbps during peak periods at gepps x exchange, in Adelaide.
- jakecopp 4y agoLooked like it's been hugged to death (HTTP 525) See https://web.archive.org/web/20220405002759/https://wongm.com/2022/04/backyard-approaching-lighting-adelaide-airport/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220405002759/https://wongm.com... Doesn't appear to have all the images unfortunately.
- skulk 4y agoYou can see the lights on Google Maps street view, for example: https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.9359362,138.550496,3a,75y,308.66h,88.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seYqowfEE9VuM3wnm78m5pw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.9359362,138.550496,3a,75y,3...
- HellsMaddy 4y agoSeems to be available here: https://archive.ph/BKXDW https://archive.ph/BKXDW
- KennyBlanken 4y ago>Secure Connection Failed >An error occurred during a connection to archive.ph. Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). >Error code: SSL_ERROR_NO_CYPHER_OVERLAP > The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified. > Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
- HellsMaddy 4y agoInteresting. Safari on iOS and Firefox on Linux don’t complain for me.
- sexy_seedbox 4y agoYou're on Cloudflare DNS? archive.xx sites never work via 1.1.1.1; switch to another DNS
- Gigachad 4y agoWho was to blame again? I think I remember a cloudflare rep comment that they had tried to get this resolved with the site owner.
- 22c 4y agoIt's explained here: https://community.cloudflare.com/t/archive-is-not-accessible/240133 https://community.cloudflare.com/t/archive-is-not-accessible... and here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317 Who is to "blame" is up to you, but the archive.is operator is (was?) specifically not responding to CloudFlare DNS requests. It is intentionally "broken" on the archive.is side.
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- tjmc 4y agoIn Australia, airports are federal land. Controlled substances are under state jurisdiction. So this raises a fecetious question - if you smoked a joint under the lights would you be immune to state prosecution?
- 0xdeadb00f 4y agoFunny thought. But I imagine they'd find some way to make a charge stick.
- KennyBlanken 4y agoThe joint didn't magically teleport into the square of federal property, so possession before you stepped onto the federal land seems like a fairly easy argument. But I suspect the cops have a lot better things to do.
- limaoscarjuliet 4y agoUnless you grow it right on the square :-) And use the approach lights to boost the plants. Talk about efficiency!
- mkj 4y agoNope, it says the extra bits of land are normal freehold not special airport land.
- FlagsAreFun 4y agoThe Australian Government also has controlled substances laws, you’d just be prosecuted under those if it was federal land.
- gonzo41 4y agoThey would not prosecute you for that. It's a waste of money. They would move you along with a warning and they'd probably take your stuff.
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- mbo 4y agoIf anyone would like to watch a comedy film about a similar topic, 1997's "The Castle" [0] is a beloved* and oft-quoted classic in Australia, that follows a family fighting the compulsory acquisition of their home for an airport expansion. It is _very_ dense with its cultural references, so many jokes might slip by unnoticed if you aren't from Australia, but I would still recommend it for its good-natured charm. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Castle_(1997_Australian_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Castle_(1997_Australian_fi... * especially by legal professionals
- stolen_biscuit 4y agoThe Castle is honestly required viewing if you're Australian. Amazing movie
- Gigachad 4y agoTo me it's a pretty good example example of the flaws of private property. A single person can block infrastructure which would have benefited millions for generations.
- bigbluedots 4y agoThat is fine until it is your house in question
- nine_k 4y agoPay me 3x the market price of the house, and I'm going to consider it!
- bigbluedots 4y agoTell him he's dreamin'
- stolen_biscuit 4y agoYou perceive a person being able to fight back through the courts to prevent their home and neighbourhood from being forcibly bought and demolished a bad thing?
- bobnamob 4y agoThe good news is that Adelaide airport has a fairly restrictive curfew. These poor homeowners don’t have to put up with air traffic 24/7
- eru 4y agoThe airport also has been around since 1955 (according to Wikipedia). So anyone who lives there today definitely knew what they were getting into.
- morsch 4y agoI suppose. Though passenger numbers have gone up by a factor of four since the 80s.
- _AzMoo 4y agoHaving lived directly under that flight path, there are exceptions to the curfew, especially for international flights. Even then, the first flight comes in daily at around 6am (or did when I lived there) and worked as a fairly effective alarm for me.
- laurent92 4y agoSerious question: Does the community gave to secure items to prevent them from falling? Have you ever had shattered windows? Less serious questions: Is it a 140dB alarm? Do you recognize models by sound? I assume the A320 is medium-size, do they have bigger airplanes?
- _AzMoo 4y agoPlanes coming in above us were at about 1000ft, and there was definitely vibration, but not enough to damage windows. We did have some badly secured pictures fall off the walls, and items on shelves had a tendency to vibrate their way off the edges. Not 140dB, but to give you an idea of how loud it was, we had to pause the TV or conversation when planes were coming over because we couldn't hear it. We could absolutely recognize models by sound. Very rarely did we have anything larger than an A320, Adelaide is not a big airport, but we did have some big military aircraft come through.
- iciac 4y agoAs a related Adelaide fact - the center of town is ringed by a "moat" of parklands, each ostensibly the width of a cannonball and designed as a defensive structure (an invading force would need to run through a cannon's worth of artillary). On a map the green square is extremely distinctive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide_Park_Lands#/media/File:Streetmap_of_Adelaide_and_North_Adelaide.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide_Park_Lands#/media/Fil...
- 22c 4y agoNot the width of cannonball, but perhaps made wide enough such that you could not fire a cannonball from a cannon at the city without having to move across open land. I'm not sure if that's an urban legend though. I can't find any references to that line of reasoning in historic recounts of Colonel Light's initial plans for Adelaide.
- plantain 4y agoIt's just not true. A myth that doesn't make any sense if you consider it. If you think artillery/cannon's couldn't shoot a mile, I'll sell you the Torrens Footbridge. https://www.adelaide-parklands.asn.au/fiction-facts https://www.adelaide-parklands.asn.au/fiction-facts
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- sydthrowaway 4y agoDude really thought he could host his website on Australian internet?
- girvo 4y agoI'm still so sad about our new "gigabit" NBN stuff... 1000Mbps downlink. 50Mbps uplink. Just horrible. For $130 AUD a month, no less. Sigh.
- BLKNSLVR 4y agoI'm still salty, to put it very mildly, at the Coalition for nixing the FTTP plan. My parents got FTTP, which they barely use at a trickle. I'm still on my wireless internet plan because it's no worse than whatever excuse for an upgrade is available at my place thanks to downgraded NBN plan of the copper and coal party.
- girvo 4y agoSalty is such an understatement for how I feel. I used to have access to a separate fibre network (not NBN, was FTTB with VDSL through the building) because I lived in Fortitude Valley in Brisbane -- not only was it cheaper, it was properly fast and had near symmetrical upload, not quite, but not 5% of the download. Now I'm stuck on NBN HFC. I get random 15 second dropouts, constant packet loss (but only incoming, not outgoing) when playing online shooters, its just crap all around. And the support for it hasn't helped. Sigh our internet is a mess. And its entirely down to the LNP as to why.
- cycomanic 4y agoWell if people would stop voting for the Rupert Murdoch private interest party things in Australia might improve. Seriously it's amazing the amount of damage that person has done to politics and the social fabric.
- HKH2 4y agoWhat right wing alternatives would you recommend?
- JCM9 4y agoIt’s actually quite common for approach lights to be located off airport property. That’s a bit of an extreme case with peoples homes and backyards. Usually this would be across roads or commercial properties.
- sdoering 4y agoIn my youth I once worked for a small local airport near where I grew up. I did a lot of small stuff like mowing lawn between runways and cleaning. One day it was my job to switch out burned out light bulbs from the approach light installations. It was before anyone was risk averse so I only had a ladder to climb up, keep as still as possible while wrangling the cases open, getting the old bulb out and installing the new one. The most terrifying thing was bursts of wind when the whole construction, me included started to wobble. I had quite a bit of an adrenaline rush this day. Good times, but now I feel a bit old. Edit: German local online newspaper article containing a photo of the approach lighting [0]. IATA designation: HOQ [0]: https://www.frankenpost.de/inhalt.hof-stadtrat-beraet-ueber-anteile-am-flughafen.a831abba-69c7-4eca-8f55-3a7a804b1867._amp.html https://www.frankenpost.de/inhalt.hof-stadtrat-beraet-ueber-... Reading about it I learned that it is nowadays also used as a test area for BMW's autonomous driving. And nearly not used for regular flight activities.
- ehnto 4y agoI didn't think I would see anything about this anywhere let alone HN. I remember riding through the district and noticing the ridiculous poles in someone's backyard. Then another, and another... then I understood what was going on. It's certainly bizarre! You think to yourself, it must br annoying to have part of your yard taken up by these ugly poles. Then a plane comes in for landing and you realise the poles are a relatively small compromise compared to the noise.
- TheSpiceIsLife 4y agoI always enjoyed driving down Tapleys Hill Road at night under the very short street lights at the south western corner of the airport. The lighting affect always reminded me of car racing games.
- ajwin 4y agoYeah it’s PS1 Gran Turismo feels for sure.
- eqvinox 4y agoThe photo from the plane perspective[0] looks surreal… almost like someone superimposed the approach lights onto the residential block. Very impressive, in its way! [0] https://wongm.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Adelaide-Approach-Runway-23-airportelectrical.com_.au_.jpg https://wongm.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Adelaide-Approa...
- saevarom 4y agoReminds me of approach lighting at Reykjavik airport in Iceland. Although not quite as dramatic as Adelaide since it's not in a residential area, it goes right through a very busy road intersection: https://www.google.com/maps/@64.1388,-21.9398871,3a,75y,144.21h,102.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbOEa2zqafvByfv9cBJd4dw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@64.1388,-21.9398871,3a,75y,144....
- twic 4y agoLondon City Airport is also in a fairly built-up area, so I wondered how the approach lights work there. Seems they run through an industrial estate: https://maps.app.goo.gl/vTAcMJnk567MLjZ79 https://maps.app.goo.gl/vTAcMJnk567MLjZ79 (and on the other side of the bridge for a little way)
- lmm 4y agoDubrovnik has them bridged over a road at the end of the runway, which felt a bit funny driving past: https://goo.gl/maps/5cFKkiGeHaAHYgfN6 https://goo.gl/maps/5cFKkiGeHaAHYgfN6
- cesarb 4y agoAnd Congonhas has both, approach lights over a fairly busy road, and in a very built-up area: https://goo.gl/maps/ugtU4TgKRdP9G9eu9 https://goo.gl/maps/ugtU4TgKRdP9G9eu9 Arriving at that airport on a plane (looking through the side windows) is always a sight, it feels as if you're going to land on top of the buildings, and at the last second the airport appears below the plane. The other end of the popular "ponte aérea" (short hop flights between Santos Dumont airport at Rio de Janeiro and Congonhas airport at São Paulo) feels similar, only that there it's water instead of buildings.
- rescbr 4y agoSão Paulo Congonhas airport uses a mix of the techniques used in LCY and DBV. Light towers in people's yards (https://goo.gl/maps/ANcFr2kfUJB9H6FS8 https://goo.gl/maps/ANcFr2kfUJB9H6FS8) and bridges over roads (https://goo.gl/maps/EZadYfA43qyMQWtN9 https://goo.gl/maps/EZadYfA43qyMQWtN9).
- zucked 4y agoI used to drive this route regularly a decade ago - as a closeted av-dork, I always loved it. This streetview angle just gave me one of those memory-powered dopamine dumps. Thanks :)
- GauntletWizard 4y agoSEATAC's approach is right over a minor highway, and they've built a very cool gantry to put the lights on: https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZrmkT74Rg32DmZ9j7 https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZrmkT74Rg32DmZ9j7
- jamesbfb 4y agoI’ve nothing relevant to say about this other than I am happy to see one of Marcus’ posts on HN! He has some great content centred around public transport in and around Melbourne, Australia.
- dwd 4y agoMy brother blogged extensively about Melbourne trams for years, and such was his passion on the topic he went back to Uni and now works as a town planner for the Melbourne City Council on light rail infrastructure.
- tailspin2019 4y agoFascinating. I'm curious whether these are always lit at night, or only automatically turn on for each landing? (Being ignorant about how approach lights work in general).
- maztaim 4y agoSome are lit all night. Some are turned off at night. Planes landing after hours can sometimes use a radio frequency to turn on lights remotely for a time to land. Not sure if all work the same, but it is possible. Edit: It is called Pilot Controlled Lighting. Some cool Youtube videos show it in action.
- maztaim 4y agoI almost bought a house at the end of AGC. We ran the numbers and watched a bunch of planes land. It seemed cool, until we visited at night. There are lights that flash directly on a house until well after 11pm. It lit up the entire neighborhood. Nope. We looked at typical arrivals and departures…5am till 2am. Unless you love pulsating lights and flight noises, the cost to own near an airport end isn’t worth it.
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- kcplate 4y agoThis gives brand new meaning to NIMBY. I simply can’t imagine I get regularly irritated at a lamppost that I can see from my back patio that is about .5km away.
- JoachimS 4y agoAround Bromma City Airport in Stockholm, Sweden there are approach lighting on the rooftops on adjacent houses, between roads etc. Also the road lights for the road passing just next to the airfield fence are lower where the airstrip is. See: https://www.google.com/maps/@59.3486514,17.9570959,3a,75y,124.64h,88.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUwQj-UU4_7mQcM01mD7cJA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 https://www.google.com/maps/@59.3486514,17.9570959,3a,75y,12...
- iso1631 4y agoApproach to RAF Northolt in London has lighting in a business centre car park. https://goo.gl/maps/2Qqss7iwQ4m7PQGA8 https://goo.gl/maps/2Qqss7iwQ4m7PQGA8
- marssaxman 4y agoIt's not quite as odd as the neighborhood overlay shown here, but the third runway at Seatac Airport was built on the edge of a ravine, and the approach lights are therefore strung along a truss, which crosses over a nearby highway - you drive underneath the lighting structure when approaching to the airport from the north. https://i.redd.it/uxbw610dgpx01.jpg https://i.redd.it/uxbw610dgpx01.jpg
- LargoLasskhyfv 4y agoI thought this was about the landing lights of approaching flights, illuminating the backyards.
- jo6gwb 4y agoThis is similar to the Canarsie Approach to JFK airport in New York. Here's a brief article on the topic https://wingmag.com/en/the-canarsie-approach https://wingmag.com/en/the-canarsie-approach.