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Acknowledging the damage done by isolation doesn't mean you have to believe it was the wrong choice. In my country a million people have died of covid even with

Acknowledging the damage done by isolation doesn't mean you have to believe it was the wrong choice. In my country a million people have died of covid even with the isolations. Was it "worth it"? I don't fucking know and I don't believe anyone else does either. Would it have been better to just let it rip and hope for the best? How many more would have died that way, and would our mental health be better for it? If it was, could we even live with that? If there was a button that would cure my depression and kill a stranger, I wouldn't push it. EDIT: ok yeah I get it consensus is we should have pushed the button you can stop telling me now.

laurent92 5y ago
Would they have died anyway, or did they die with Covid? It’s the repeated question, together with “Didn’t the flu cause as many deaths”, and even if it was actual death, it’s a transfer of years of life from the young to the elderly.
- lumost 5y ago
  Curiously the elderly seem to feel the most robbed. In my family, the young locked down while the elderly went about as normal. Discussing this today, the predominant feeling amongst the over 70 cohort was that they had at best a few more years of health with everyone and didn’t want to spend that in lockdown.
incrudible 5y ago
In the beginning, it was widely accepted that the virus would spread and ultimately infect most people. Yet, two weeks to flatten the curve somehow turned into two years of flailing about aimlessly with ineffective measures.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > Yet, two weeks to flatten the curve somehow turned into two years of flailing about aimlessly with ineffective measures. 1) Whenever someone mentions "flatten the curve" in that way, the implication always seems to be the CDC et. al should have had this novel disease figured out from day one, but that's an unreasonable expectation. 2) A big reason those measures were as not as effective as they could have been was that people were actively undermining them pretty much from day one.
  - spookthesunset 5y ago
    > people were actively undermining them pretty much from day one. As they should. I didn't sign up for two years of this nonsense. We didn't know any of it would work but we knew it could cause serious harm to society yet we choose to it anyway. I'm not some lab-rat who is forced into participating in an uncontrolled experiment performed by a few cherry picked "experts" and their political backers. Most people are absolutely not at risk of serious covid issues. We knew this even in the first month or two of this adventure but it was taboo to discuss. You'd actively be shamed, mocked and humiliated if you ever discussed actual public data showing covid isn't the monster the media and self-appointed "experts" made it out to be. It scares the crap out of me how many people willingly played along for two years. Do people not question anything?
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      >> people were actively undermining them pretty much from day one. > As they should. And we can thank those people for giving us one of the worse outcomes. > I didn't sign up for two years of this nonsense. Hate to break it to you, but that's just not how the world works. You don't get to chose if you participate or not.
      - spookthesunset 5y ago
        > And we can thank those people for giving us one of the worse outcomes. It takes a lot of hubris to suggest these mitigations did a damn thing. And it takes a lot of mental gymnastics and rationalization to completely ignore their very significant costs to society. We fucked kids, fucked small business owners, fucked hospitals, fucked the poor and working class, enriched the wealthy and old while stealing from the poor and young. Life is too short to obey the orders of a handful of unelected, cherry-picked "experts". None of them could ever say the crap they had us do would work. We still can't say any of it worked in a meaningful way. People flushed two years of their short fucking lives down the toilet to participate in an uncontrolled experiment... naw... I'll opt out, thanks.
        5y ago

laurent92 5y ago

Would they have died anyway, or did they die with Covid? It’s the repeated question, together with “Didn’t the flu cause as many deaths”, and even if it was actual death, it’s a transfer of years of life from the young to the elderly.

lumost 5y ago
Curiously the elderly seem to feel the most robbed. In my family, the young locked down while the elderly went about as normal. Discussing this today, the predominant feeling amongst the over 70 cohort was that they had at best a few more years of health with everyone and didn’t want to spend that in lockdown.

incrudible 5y ago

In the beginning, it was widely accepted that the virus would spread and ultimately infect most people. Yet, two weeks to flatten the curve somehow turned into two years of flailing about aimlessly with ineffective measures.

tablespoon 5y ago
> Yet, two weeks to flatten the curve somehow turned into two years of flailing about aimlessly with ineffective measures. 1) Whenever someone mentions "flatten the curve" in that way, the implication always seems to be the CDC et. al should have had this novel disease figured out from day one, but that's an unreasonable expectation. 2) A big reason those measures were as not as effective as they could have been was that people were actively undermining them pretty much from day one.
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  > people were actively undermining them pretty much from day one. As they should. I didn't sign up for two years of this nonsense. We didn't know any of it would work but we knew it could cause serious harm to society yet we choose to it anyway. I'm not some lab-rat who is forced into participating in an uncontrolled experiment performed by a few cherry picked "experts" and their political backers. Most people are absolutely not at risk of serious covid issues. We knew this even in the first month or two of this adventure but it was taboo to discuss. You'd actively be shamed, mocked and humiliated if you ever discussed actual public data showing covid isn't the monster the media and self-appointed "experts" made it out to be. It scares the crap out of me how many people willingly played along for two years. Do people not question anything?
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    >> people were actively undermining them pretty much from day one. > As they should. And we can thank those people for giving us one of the worse outcomes. > I didn't sign up for two years of this nonsense. Hate to break it to you, but that's just not how the world works. You don't get to chose if you participate or not.
    - spookthesunset 5y ago
      > And we can thank those people for giving us one of the worse outcomes. It takes a lot of hubris to suggest these mitigations did a damn thing. And it takes a lot of mental gymnastics and rationalization to completely ignore their very significant costs to society. We fucked kids, fucked small business owners, fucked hospitals, fucked the poor and working class, enriched the wealthy and old while stealing from the poor and young. Life is too short to obey the orders of a handful of unelected, cherry-picked "experts". None of them could ever say the crap they had us do would work. We still can't say any of it worked in a meaningful way. People flushed two years of their short fucking lives down the toilet to participate in an uncontrolled experiment... naw... I'll opt out, thanks.
      - 5y ago