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> “The concept of combining a nice environment to work from and then going to sleep in Venice and waking up in Croatia,” says de Leede, “It's great.” Half day

> “The concept of combining a nice environment to work from and then going to sleep in Venice and waking up in Croatia,” says de Leede, “It's great.” Half day stops in places just to say you were there? Not fond of that

sybercecurity 5y ago
I remember taking similar vacations as a kid: traveling the whole time and rarely staying more than one night in the same city. There is an American view of vacations as speedruns, especially among older generations. Maybe coming from the culture where long, international vacations were seen as against the work ethic, expensive, and something to feel guilty about. So there was the perception you had to rush to see it all while you only had a set number of days because you may never get back.
- tenpies 5y ago
  They're still very much alive in the current generation. Keep in mind that a huge amount of millennial and younger vacation in order to work for Likes. They don't really care about anything as long as they can get that really good Instagram post or Tiktok. The speedrun style of tourism that you mention is very much catered to by tour guides and generally emphasizes how cheaply you can get through all these places.
  - vmception 5y ago
    A vast majority of them just have little to no vacation time, just like the older generations. This is an odd thread.
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  - sorenjan 5y ago
    I've seen articles about similar behavior among Chinese tourists in Austria. Bus load after bus load came to the small picturesque towns, unloaded, took their pictures, and then moved on. An if course Japanese tourists where known for a long time for always taking pictures and video wherever they went.
- vmception 5y ago
  Yeah the speedrun style is usually still in one locale.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > There is an American view of vacations as speedruns... Not surprising, given there's no legal requirement companies give any paid vacation time at all, and most only give a couple of weeks.
- wing-_-nuts 5y ago
  Americans view vacations as speed runs because we get no guaranteed vacation time, and two weeks is considered the standard. When you consider that one week of that typically gets taken up by family visits, the urge to do as much as possible in what little time we have is understandable, even if misguided. I've been writing software for 15 years and I currently have 15 days of PTO. I hate the hectic rush that passes for travel. I look forward to the day I can retire and slow travel, spending a month at each destination.
  - cpfohl 5y ago
    You need to renegotiate your time off or find a different employer… As a related side note: unlimited time off gets a well deserved bad reputation, but there are plenty of real examples. A great indicator that it’s real is a minimum policy.
    - vmception 5y ago
      I like unlimited time off because its available instantly, whereas fixed time off accrues slowly per pay period and I am always chomping off small pieces of it or in the negative. The people disliking unlimited PTO are too intimidated to take it. Most people have no leverage or need the job, so that's real, for them. I prefer unlimited and I'm never at a company long enough for accruals to add up 3-4 years in.
    - wing-_-nuts 5y ago
      Well, that's my employer's policy. My manager and director are chill people, and generally don't track pto too closely, but I could easily see another manager being much more 'by the book'
  - orwin 5y ago
    I complained two hours ago to my brother that i only had 40 days (8 weeks) and not 52 and that the 20k pay increase is not worth if i don't have vacation to spend the extra money. I hope you have unpaid overtime and make enough to be able to take some.
  - pastage 5y ago
- drstewart 5y ago
  >There is an American view of vacations as speedruns What's your evidence that there is an "American" view of this? Can you link to a study showing different views of vacations by country? What's a Belizean view? How about Djiboutian? It's weird how common it is on the internet to immediately claim things are uniquely American. It's essentially American exceptionalism with a cynical twist.
  - vmception 5y ago
    Some developed nations like in Western Europe and the Commonwealth have statutory paid time off policies that are much longer by default (thinking 4 - 6 weeks), with employers competing for talent with more weeks off than that, and this allows for greater flexibility in vacationing styles. Gone are the speed runs centered around holiday weekends with an extra one or two days taken off of work, in favor of immersive trips in a different locale, if desired. Given that the US distinctly has the resources to support 21st century advances of developed nations and simply doesn't do it, a cynical view of American exceptionalism is always warranted. Especially given that the consensus failures come from a lack of awareness of what developed nations really do. American exceptionalism has relied on comparing the US to the most undeveloped or poorly governed places on the planet, neglecting the idea of better functioning systems or lifestyle existing elsewhere.
    - drstewart 5y ago
      >a cynical view of American exceptionalism is always warranted Yeah, those weren't my words. Not a cynical view of American exceptionalism. A cynical VERSION of American exceptionalism. I don't care what Western Europe's statutory policies are. Can you share any facts that show Americans "speed run" vacations and no other country on the planet does? Considering the statutory minimum in Canada is 10 days - and the average worker between the US and Canada is pretty close in number of days off - I look forward your analysis showing how Canada takes luxurious immersive vacations. Or more likely: you're like everyone else, where your version of "ONLY IN AMERICA!!" means "America is different than these Nordic countries, therefore it's globally unique".
c048 5y ago
Their ages range from almost 70 to almost 80. Most people in that age range, a view is more than enough.
mikotodomo 5y ago
> “Now I can say that I’ve swum in the Arctic Circle,” he says. “There aren’t too many people who can say that!” OMG, this is the boomer who comes up to me saying how he did some thing unique and gets incredibly upset that I don't go out of my way to pretend to be amazed and act enthusiastic about it. And this is the same person ruining the environment for his boring lifestyle.
- vmception 5y ago
  Yeah I prefer the stories where people have a purpose of being somewhere. An expedition, or something more immersive than simply going underwater. Not everyone has the time for that, but this guy does, so I'm really not so amused.
jfengel 5y ago
If they live on the cruise ship, they can stay as long as they want. They'll pick it up when the ship returns, or take a cheap flight to meet the ship somewhere else. I do find those stops weird as a vacation. You get to see the very tippy-top tourist sites. My parents took one that let off in Le Havre, drove them a few hours to Paris, up the Eiffel Tower for lunch, past the Mona Lisa, and then back. They were happy with it, but that's not my cup of tea. The retirees seem happy just being on the ship. The entertainment and dining options are oriented to them. The port days are just an entertainment option, not the goal.
- vmception 5y ago
  > If they live on the cruise ship, they can stay as long as they want. They'll pick it up when the ship returns, or take a cheap flight to meet the ship somewhere else. hmmm, thats more interesting, kind of similar to how I already travel especially in Europe (while on vacation, leave stuff in one city for a sidequest in another city/country return to it a week later) this would be like a super cheap yacht with much greater resources
  - jfengel 5y ago
    It's bonkers how cheap. Less than many hotels, and includes food. You'd have to be moderately wealthy, but not ludicrously so.

sybercecurity 5y ago

I remember taking similar vacations as a kid: traveling the whole time and rarely staying more than one night in the same city. There is an American view of vacations as speedruns, especially among older generations. Maybe coming from the culture where long, international vacations were seen as against the work ethic, expensive, and something to feel guilty about. So there was the perception you had to rush to see it all while you only had a set number of days because you may never get back.

tenpies 5y ago
They're still very much alive in the current generation. Keep in mind that a huge amount of millennial and younger vacation in order to work for Likes. They don't really care about anything as long as they can get that really good Instagram post or Tiktok. The speedrun style of tourism that you mention is very much catered to by tour guides and generally emphasizes how cheaply you can get through all these places.
- vmception 5y ago
  A vast majority of them just have little to no vacation time, just like the older generations. This is an odd thread.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- sorenjan 5y ago
  I've seen articles about similar behavior among Chinese tourists in Austria. Bus load after bus load came to the small picturesque towns, unloaded, took their pictures, and then moved on. An if course Japanese tourists where known for a long time for always taking pictures and video wherever they went.
vmception 5y ago
Yeah the speedrun style is usually still in one locale.
ceejayoz 5y ago
> There is an American view of vacations as speedruns... Not surprising, given there's no legal requirement companies give any paid vacation time at all, and most only give a couple of weeks.
wing-_-nuts 5y ago
Americans view vacations as speed runs because we get no guaranteed vacation time, and two weeks is considered the standard. When you consider that one week of that typically gets taken up by family visits, the urge to do as much as possible in what little time we have is understandable, even if misguided. I've been writing software for 15 years and I currently have 15 days of PTO. I hate the hectic rush that passes for travel. I look forward to the day I can retire and slow travel, spending a month at each destination.
- cpfohl 5y ago
  You need to renegotiate your time off or find a different employer… As a related side note: unlimited time off gets a well deserved bad reputation, but there are plenty of real examples. A great indicator that it’s real is a minimum policy.
  - vmception 5y ago
    I like unlimited time off because its available instantly, whereas fixed time off accrues slowly per pay period and I am always chomping off small pieces of it or in the negative. The people disliking unlimited PTO are too intimidated to take it. Most people have no leverage or need the job, so that's real, for them. I prefer unlimited and I'm never at a company long enough for accruals to add up 3-4 years in.
  - wing-_-nuts 5y ago
    Well, that's my employer's policy. My manager and director are chill people, and generally don't track pto too closely, but I could easily see another manager being much more 'by the book'
- orwin 5y ago
  I complained two hours ago to my brother that i only had 40 days (8 weeks) and not 52 and that the 20k pay increase is not worth if i don't have vacation to spend the extra money. I hope you have unpaid overtime and make enough to be able to take some.
- pastage 5y ago
drstewart 5y ago
>There is an American view of vacations as speedruns What's your evidence that there is an "American" view of this? Can you link to a study showing different views of vacations by country? What's a Belizean view? How about Djiboutian? It's weird how common it is on the internet to immediately claim things are uniquely American. It's essentially American exceptionalism with a cynical twist.
- vmception 5y ago
  Some developed nations like in Western Europe and the Commonwealth have statutory paid time off policies that are much longer by default (thinking 4 - 6 weeks), with employers competing for talent with more weeks off than that, and this allows for greater flexibility in vacationing styles. Gone are the speed runs centered around holiday weekends with an extra one or two days taken off of work, in favor of immersive trips in a different locale, if desired. Given that the US distinctly has the resources to support 21st century advances of developed nations and simply doesn't do it, a cynical view of American exceptionalism is always warranted. Especially given that the consensus failures come from a lack of awareness of what developed nations really do. American exceptionalism has relied on comparing the US to the most undeveloped or poorly governed places on the planet, neglecting the idea of better functioning systems or lifestyle existing elsewhere.
  - drstewart 5y ago
    >a cynical view of American exceptionalism is always warranted Yeah, those weren't my words. Not a cynical view of American exceptionalism. A cynical VERSION of American exceptionalism. I don't care what Western Europe's statutory policies are. Can you share any facts that show Americans "speed run" vacations and no other country on the planet does? Considering the statutory minimum in Canada is 10 days - and the average worker between the US and Canada is pretty close in number of days off - I look forward your analysis showing how Canada takes luxurious immersive vacations. Or more likely: you're like everyone else, where your version of "ONLY IN AMERICA!!" means "America is different than these Nordic countries, therefore it's globally unique".

c048 5y ago

Their ages range from almost 70 to almost 80. Most people in that age range, a view is more than enough.

mikotodomo 5y ago

> “Now I can say that I’ve swum in the Arctic Circle,” he says. “There aren’t too many people who can say that!” OMG, this is the boomer who comes up to me saying how he did some thing unique and gets incredibly upset that I don't go out of my way to pretend to be amazed and act enthusiastic about it. And this is the same person ruining the environment for his boring lifestyle.

vmception 5y ago
Yeah I prefer the stories where people have a purpose of being somewhere. An expedition, or something more immersive than simply going underwater. Not everyone has the time for that, but this guy does, so I'm really not so amused.

jfengel 5y ago

If they live on the cruise ship, they can stay as long as they want. They'll pick it up when the ship returns, or take a cheap flight to meet the ship somewhere else. I do find those stops weird as a vacation. You get to see the very tippy-top tourist sites. My parents took one that let off in Le Havre, drove them a few hours to Paris, up the Eiffel Tower for lunch, past the Mona Lisa, and then back. They were happy with it, but that's not my cup of tea. The retirees seem happy just being on the ship. The entertainment and dining options are oriented to them. The port days are just an entertainment option, not the goal.

vmception 5y ago
> If they live on the cruise ship, they can stay as long as they want. They'll pick it up when the ship returns, or take a cheap flight to meet the ship somewhere else. hmmm, thats more interesting, kind of similar to how I already travel especially in Europe (while on vacation, leave stuff in one city for a sidequest in another city/country return to it a week later) this would be like a super cheap yacht with much greater resources
- jfengel 5y ago
  It's bonkers how cheap. Less than many hotels, and includes food. You'd have to be moderately wealthy, but not ludicrously so.