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I'm in Texas. A LOT of Californians disagree with some of the laws that Texas has passed. How long will it be until my hard drive gets reformatted by some pro
by commandlinefan 5y ago
I'm in Texas. A LOT of Californians disagree with some of the laws that Texas has passed. How long will it be until my hard drive gets reformatted by some protestor in San Francisco who localizes my IP address?
- rsstack 5y agoThe only good news I have for you is that _perhaps_ in that case the FBI and CISA will investigate, because there will be a US resident victim. IP-based geolocation is garbage but there aren't many Russian/Belarusian-attributed IPs in the US so the intersection of those with people using node-ipc was empty, and the US Government couldn't be pressured to investigate/enforce.
- nsxwolf 5y ago
- zamadatix 5y agoThe problem is the logic goes both ways so there is no "just do <x>" because <x> differs per group.
- alexb_ 5y agoIt's your fault for not giving me the money. If you had done that sooner you'd still have your brain intact.
- gruez 5y agoI think this recent comment is relevant here: >I don't want to hear anyone in this country [the US] complain about the Electoral College or gerrymandering the next time we decide to pull another Iraq War but they're opposed to it. >Just like, overthrow the government - it's so easy! >And if you don't have the guts - well, don't be mad when someone deletes all your files, you collaborator! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30727720 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30727720
- bjt2n3904 5y agoI have legitimately argued against using NodeJS as the foundation of our next product for this very reason. NodeJS' culture is very much "move fast and break things", and "all software is political". Look at the TSC drama. Leftpad.js. This isn't an ecosystem that you want to build and maintain a product on.
- extheat 5y agoSo you’re basically saying, don’t use X tool chain because the 3rd party software doesn’t move on your pace? Or they have different “views” than yours? I don’t see how that makes any sense. Why do you have to be beholden 3rd party developers and the pace they work at?
- slackfan 5y agoI use software to build stuff, not to subscribe to a set of political ideologies.
- trentnix 5y agoA small, extremely loud, and extremely sanctimonious part of the population will not accept that. They will consider your lack of political motivation for your work distasteful and eventually immoral. You'll be asked to support movements, participate in ritual, and publicly proclaim your allegiance. Eventually, they'll demand it. “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” - C.S. Lewis
- naoqj 5y ago
- slackfan 5y agoIn a perfect world, everybody's hard drive gets reformatted.
- trentnix 5y ago"I'm not a biologist." It's an answer good enough for the Supreme Court of the United States, but I'll bet it wont be good enough for Wokeware.
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- KyeRussell 5y ago
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y agoI have long argued that there are things that should remain agnostic of politics ( as hard it may sometimes be ). This trend is genuinely destructive to opensource and I can't help but wonder if it is not done to undermine it by design.
- XorNot 5y ago
- KyeRussell 5y ago“Politics” Is often what people call serous issues that don’t affect them. So, maybe you’d just like open-source to be the domain of privileged people.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y agoI dislike this characterization ("privilege") as it is part of the new double-speak that is intended to stop the conversation, because, after all, how do you argue against that. Yeah, I can do some things some people can't, but I can't do some people can. You can make a reasonable argument that everything is politics, but it is slippery slope, because tomorrow I might find myself with files deleted, because I did not read fine print with vegan inclinations of the developer and his stance on this subject. It can bad really fast. It is already bad. Previously dumb pipes are being coerced to be 'smarter' and it is breaking the basic foundations of society. It is a privilege to live in a society. I think it would help if some naive activist did not undermine its foundations.
- grnmamba 5y agoAnother fun scenario: your project has two dependencies, made by two different developers: `left-pad` and `right-pad`. `left-pad` will format your hard drive if it geolocates you being in a state that allows X. `right-pad` will format your hard drive if it geolocates you being in a state that criminalizes X.
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- Aperocky 5y agoDependency hell but with more politics!
- throwaway889900 5y agoWrite a wrapper project that changes your location before any left-pad or right-pad function calls. Or just fork both and fix them how you see fit if they're open source.
- ksec 5y agoYou pretty much summarise what is wrong with the title. It is not "Protestware" that harms open source. It is politics and ideology harms open source. And the rate things are going may be Open Source will not only be split between permissive and copyleft, but progressive and libreRight. Edit: Now I remember Douglas Crockford's "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil." license. I wonder if there are still any open source that uses it.
- XorNot 5y ago"protestware" is just malware. The punchline is: do you understand your supply chain? Can you audit your software? Do you have security controls for potentially hostile packages? This is nothing new: this is a problem which has always existed.
- unethical_ban 5y agoIt isn't ideology, it's malware for political purposes. https://xkcd.com/605/ https://xkcd.com/605/ No, at the rate things are going, OSS will not be as you describe.
- BaronVonSteuben 5y agoThanks for the perspective and the laugh. It's very easy to see a trend that isn't there in an aberration.
- beaconstudios 5y agoyou can't really escape politics and ideology. What you can do, is to not be petty with your public contributions. As the parent example states, while somebody /could/ embed malware into their software that targets Texans, this falls under the pre-existing social doctrine of a "dick move". These things exist on a scale from "exclude government/corporate entities from your software license" to "try to fuck up random people's hard drives" and vary widely in terms of validity.
- BaronVonSteuben 5y ago
- rectang 5y agoOr that someone in Texas would come after Californians.
- jddil 5y ago
- FredPret 5y agoYou are part of the problem
- HideousKojima 5y agoCongratulations, you're part of the problem. Enjoy creating a world in which open source cannot be relied upon for any purpose: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/programs-must-not-limit-freedom-to-run.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/programs-must-not-limit-freed...
- grnmamba 5y agoI'm sure your state/country has not a single unjust law on the books.
- lostmsu 5y agoWhat about Californians throwing Molotov at your house? My point is analogy is not a valid tool of criticism when talking about policies, because their inputs and outcomes are not simple bool -> bool functions. Would you be satisfied with 1000000 years on average as the answer?
- matsemann 5y agoIs those laws that you should airstrike California? If not, why are you downplaying the significance of what's happening in Ukraine? Context matters in how proportional a response can be.
- bastardoperator 5y ago