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How would you feel if I paid your next door neighbor to store radioactive waste in their yard? What if I paid them to demolish their home and put up a giant fl

How would you feel if I paid your next door neighbor to store radioactive waste in their yard? What if I paid them to demolish their home and put up a giant flashing billboard facing your bedroom window? Do you think it would impact the value of you property? Do you think that would be fair? People care because it is a matter of justice, which is one of the fundamental precepts of society.

chii 5y ago
So what if a NIMBY pays to stop rezoning to high density in their suburb? Isn't it the same then?
- mupuff1234 5y ago
  If you account for societal benefits and not just the owner's personal gain then I don't think they are the same. It's really just matter whether you view regulations as legitimate tool to curve/change behaviors that you think are detrimental to society.
  - cuteboy19 5y ago
    Legislating morality has been an utter failure. And here you advocating for legislating not morality but your own personal feelings and experiences. I take an issue with the entitlement that other people should change their behavior to protect your housing prices
    - mupuff1234 5y ago
      I disagree it has been an utter failure, first exmaple that comes to mind is lack of affordable health care in US compared to most western countries, and other less "controversial" examples: child labor and minimum age for marriage. And no I'm not advocating for anything based on my own personal feelings, but if something is deemed as harmful to society, yes perhaps we need to pass legislation to minimize it. But also all laws in some way or other are based on morals - who decided that stealing is wrong? Why isn't it just fair use of "free market" of force?
      - MisterMower 5y ago
        Did the law actually fix those issues, or did the electorate's views on those things change, and then the law was changed to reflect that? In a democracy, laws only get passed when you have a majority of lawmakers on board, which is generally a good proxy for the electorate's views on issues. The causation is not at all clear to me.

chii 5y ago

So what if a NIMBY pays to stop rezoning to high density in their suburb? Isn't it the same then?

mupuff1234 5y ago
If you account for societal benefits and not just the owner's personal gain then I don't think they are the same. It's really just matter whether you view regulations as legitimate tool to curve/change behaviors that you think are detrimental to society.
- cuteboy19 5y ago
  Legislating morality has been an utter failure. And here you advocating for legislating not morality but your own personal feelings and experiences. I take an issue with the entitlement that other people should change their behavior to protect your housing prices
  - mupuff1234 5y ago
    I disagree it has been an utter failure, first exmaple that comes to mind is lack of affordable health care in US compared to most western countries, and other less "controversial" examples: child labor and minimum age for marriage. And no I'm not advocating for anything based on my own personal feelings, but if something is deemed as harmful to society, yes perhaps we need to pass legislation to minimize it. But also all laws in some way or other are based on morals - who decided that stealing is wrong? Why isn't it just fair use of "free market" of force?
    - MisterMower 5y ago
      Did the law actually fix those issues, or did the electorate's views on those things change, and then the law was changed to reflect that? In a democracy, laws only get passed when you have a majority of lawmakers on board, which is generally a good proxy for the electorate's views on issues. The causation is not at all clear to me.