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For some reason, Firefox (and its variants) seems to attract an especially tough crowd. People will let Chrome hoover up every last bit of information about you

by d3nj4l 5y ago

For some reason, Firefox (and its variants) seems to attract an especially tough crowd. People will let Chrome hoover up every last bit of information about you but FF will get relentlessly pilloried for every minor decision.

coldpie 5y ago
You see the same thing with non-profits. For-profit companies can ask $50 for a product, do whatever they like with the profit, and everyone is happy. A non-profit asks for voluntary donations for a similar product and gets all of their receipts to local pizza joints examined.
wink 5y ago
The problem with Mozilla is that most of us seem to be holding them to a higher standard. It's not minor details that are scrutinized but more like "HOW IN THE HELL DID THEY THINK THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA", and sadly there's been about 1-2 of those per year.
- jeltz 5y ago
  That is pretty much a problem they created themselves by claiming to be a champion of tge free Internet and then doing stuff like invetsing in an adtech company and then handing a sample of user browser history to said company. Why does a corporation owned by a foundation do stuff like that? If you have an official mission other than making money people will hold you to a higher standard than normal for profit companies.
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pessimizer 5y ago
Those are two different groups of people. The Firefox complainers are Firefox users. The people satisfied with Chrome are Chrome users.
webmobdev 5y ago
Please stop making excuses for Mozilla - their management has made many questionable decisions including bundling unnecessary extensions like Pocket and closed source DRM plugin without user permission, aggressive telemetry tracking, downloading and running codes / features without your knowledge (it's opt-out but only if you know what to opt-out of) and now even bundling adware into the browser. Instead of ensuring their engine is easily modular and usable they are more concerned about others making competing browsers and thus let greed drive their design decisions to make a clunky and poorly architected product that just lags in development. Fire the greed driven management of Mozilla, and bring a team more concerned about developing a good product than letting money drive the design decisions, and Firefox will be back on track.
- mmastrac 5y ago
  Honestly, do you think you'd ever be happy with anything Mozilla produces? The comments like this from people who will complain about everything are completely valueless. We're lucky to have an alternative to the WebKit oligopoly. If you don't like Firefox, just stick with the other browsers and let the rest of us that are trying to prevent a monoculture continue our work. I don't work for Mozilla or have ever done work on Firefox other than bugfixing, but I'll gladly run an alternative browser so the web doesn't end up stagnating like it did before.
  - webmobdev 5y ago
    > do you think you'd ever be happy with anything Mozilla produces? I switched to Mozilla Gecko after Opera Presto was sold to a chinese firm and they switched engines to Chromium. After that, I have been using various Firefox forks since Firefox started bundling useless software and made really questionable decisions sacrificing user privacy for their greed. I am really glad that forks that respect the user, like LibreWolf and Tor browser, exists. > The comments like this from people who will complain about everything are completely valueless. I have given specifics. Your comment though is less useful. > We're lucky to have an alternative to the WebKit oligopoly. We are unlucky that the current management of Mozilla is slowly selling out on this, under the influence of Google and their own greed - 100's of millions of dollars and yet, making a modular browser engine is not a priority for them as that means more competition and innovation from other open and closed source developers that will threaten their cash cow.
no-dr-onboard 5y ago
Not my opinion, but from what I've seen, it's a different standard. FF has historically been concerned with privacy and transparency. When they move contrary to that, people "hold them accountable" by issuing public critiques. In comparison, I'm not sure that the Chromium project ever intended to have privacy as one of their forefront values.
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by d3nj4l 5y ago

coldpie 5y ago

You see the same thing with non-profits. For-profit companies can ask $50 for a product, do whatever they like with the profit, and everyone is happy. A non-profit asks for voluntary donations for a similar product and gets all of their receipts to local pizza joints examined.

wink 5y ago

The problem with Mozilla is that most of us seem to be holding them to a higher standard. It's not minor details that are scrutinized but more like "HOW IN THE HELL DID THEY THINK THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA", and sadly there's been about 1-2 of those per year.

jeltz 5y ago
That is pretty much a problem they created themselves by claiming to be a champion of tge free Internet and then doing stuff like invetsing in an adtech company and then handing a sample of user browser history to said company. Why does a corporation owned by a foundation do stuff like that? If you have an official mission other than making money people will hold you to a higher standard than normal for profit companies.
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pessimizer 5y ago

Those are two different groups of people. The Firefox complainers are Firefox users. The people satisfied with Chrome are Chrome users.

webmobdev 5y ago

Please stop making excuses for Mozilla - their management has made many questionable decisions including bundling unnecessary extensions like Pocket and closed source DRM plugin without user permission, aggressive telemetry tracking, downloading and running codes / features without your knowledge (it's opt-out but only if you know what to opt-out of) and now even bundling adware into the browser. Instead of ensuring their engine is easily modular and usable they are more concerned about others making competing browsers and thus let greed drive their design decisions to make a clunky and poorly architected product that just lags in development. Fire the greed driven management of Mozilla, and bring a team more concerned about developing a good product than letting money drive the design decisions, and Firefox will be back on track.

mmastrac 5y ago
Honestly, do you think you'd ever be happy with anything Mozilla produces? The comments like this from people who will complain about everything are completely valueless. We're lucky to have an alternative to the WebKit oligopoly. If you don't like Firefox, just stick with the other browsers and let the rest of us that are trying to prevent a monoculture continue our work. I don't work for Mozilla or have ever done work on Firefox other than bugfixing, but I'll gladly run an alternative browser so the web doesn't end up stagnating like it did before.
- webmobdev 5y ago
  > do you think you'd ever be happy with anything Mozilla produces? I switched to Mozilla Gecko after Opera Presto was sold to a chinese firm and they switched engines to Chromium. After that, I have been using various Firefox forks since Firefox started bundling useless software and made really questionable decisions sacrificing user privacy for their greed. I am really glad that forks that respect the user, like LibreWolf and Tor browser, exists. > The comments like this from people who will complain about everything are completely valueless. I have given specifics. Your comment though is less useful. > We're lucky to have an alternative to the WebKit oligopoly. We are unlucky that the current management of Mozilla is slowly selling out on this, under the influence of Google and their own greed - 100's of millions of dollars and yet, making a modular browser engine is not a priority for them as that means more competition and innovation from other open and closed source developers that will threaten their cash cow.

no-dr-onboard 5y ago

Not my opinion, but from what I've seen, it's a different standard. FF has historically been concerned with privacy and transparency. When they move contrary to that, people "hold them accountable" by issuing public critiques. In comparison, I'm not sure that the Chromium project ever intended to have privacy as one of their forefront values.

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