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New Secret Service report details growing incel terrorism threat
- meatsauce 5y ago[flagged]
- fundad 5y agoNo need to wonder it’s been going on since cointel pro https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/feds-targeted-blm-protesters-attempt-disrupt-movement-report-says-rcna1717 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/feds-targeted-blm-protes...
- joemazerino 5y agoDon't forget about BLM inspired attacks such as Waukesha and the recent assassination attempt on a Mayor (1). It is strange the secret service is concentrating on a small, miniscule number of mentally ill people rather than a focused network. 1: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/feb/17/blm-louisville-defends-bailing-out-activist-assass/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/20...
- matt321 5y agoDamned is the society that churns out this behavior so frequently. For every 1 that is in the news after committing a crime, there is a hundred that feels the same but commits no crime. Yes this problem needs attention, but a better use of resources is to find out what about society is causing this. My guess is that the parent(s) are to blame.
- arvinsim 5y agoWhatever the cause is, angry young men that can't get any are probably the easiest to radicalize. I am also interested in how this will be solved since I don't think the status quo is sustainable.
- Bancakes 5y agoModern society is over sexualized, "coomerpilled" in incel terms. Reduce onlyfans, self-objectifying gamer girls, and other bait, and the problems will disappear. This cheap surrogate dopaminogenic entertainment will wither away along with the maladapted behavior it causes.
- valar_m 5y agoAny data to support this claim? Because porn has been on the internet for far longer than the incel thing has been around.
- imwillofficial 5y agoNo it hasn’t. It just wasn’t a meme yet.
- Bancakes 5y agoPorn is not entertainment, nor a lifestyle. You can't binge watch it like Netflix or in this case, simp for young gamer girls making uwu sounds.
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- throwaway984393 5y agoThey say it takes a village to raise a child.
- moltke 5y ago
- jhkiehna 5y agolol, this is what happens when massive organizations with bloated budgets have nothing to do. Suddenly an extremely small group of sad, disaffected weirdos have been branded terrorists. I think we need a disgruntled ex postal worker task force too.
- dekhn 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jackson_Games#Raid_by_the_Secret_Service https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jackson_Games#Raid_by_th...
- jhkiehna 5y agoI had no idea that that's how the EFF started. Interesting fact. Thanks.
- fennecfoxen 5y agoIt might also have something to do with that Santa Barbara incident in 2014 that killed 3, and the Toronto van attack in 2018 that killed 11 (and injured 15).
- MattGaiser 5y ago> Suddenly an extremely small group of sad, disaffected weirdos have been branded terrorists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel#Mass_murders_and_violence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel#Mass_murders_and_violenc...
- jhkiehna 5y agoI'm sad for the people who were killed needlessly by alienated young men, but Tylenol kills more people in a single year than all of those cases combined. The fear mongering around this subject is off the charts. I think some form of compassionate outreach is probably a better approach to that problem than branding them terrorists.
- woodruffw 5y ago
- romellem 5y agoHere is a link to the case study, Hot Yoga Tallahassee: A Case Study of Misogynistic Extremism. - https://www.secretservice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/2022-03/NTAC%20Case%20Study%20-%20Hot%20Yoga%20Tallahassee.pdf https://www.secretservice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/20... And their accompanying news release: - https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2022/03/secret-services-latest-research-highlights-mass-violence-motived-misogyny https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2022/03/secr...
- mostly_harmless 5y agoI think with everything that is going on, everyone should be aware of the Russian book "Foundations of Geopolitics"[0]. It is a textbook that basically gives a blueprint on how they should take over the world. On how to deal with the USA: * Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics" [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
- olsonjeffery 5y agoAmerica and "the West" couldn't stomach a communist Russia, so I guess they'll just have to settle for this.
- m_a_g 5y agoUS will do anything but fund free/accessible healthcare, especially mental healthcare. Mass shooters and incels are products of mental health problems.
- matt321 5y agoAgain, the poisoned society that produces this is the root problem.
- giantg2 5y agoI wonder if there are studies about the number of violent mentally ill people in the US vs countries with free mental healthcare.
- igetspam 5y agoNot according to pretty much all psychology though so there's that... If this is a mental health issue, why does it seem to only affect white men? How come we're not seeing minorities (maybe one? two?) doing this at the same rate as whites guys? Is there a shared psychosis that has a particular racial bias? Are the brains of white men particularly fragile? Should we be rounded up and studied in isolation, for our own safety? Only some of this is sarcasm but all of it is valid. What is wrong with white males that makes us particularly prone to violence against women and in such good and fashion?
- mattzito 5y agoFWIW, for the people rolling their eyes at the "waste of government time", the actual report is very interesting: https://www.secretservice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/2022-03/NTAC%20Case%20Study%20-%20Hot%20Yoga%20Tallahassee.pdf https://www.secretservice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/20... As far as I can tell, the word "terrorism" appears nowhere in the document, though it's possible my pdf search is broken (certainly I didn't notice it in my read of the document). Nor does it really say that it is "growing", though that's a little bit more subjective (it talks about the rise of online misogyny, but doesn't directly tie that to violence, per se). That seems to be all created by the news website. Instead, the point of the doc is to say "here are signs that were missed in this particular case, and you should consider keeping an eye out for them". Those signs, for what it's worth, do not seem particularly subtle: - the killer's parents were so concerned about him that they slept with their door locked - he was fired from multiple jobs for inappropriate touching - (dishonorably) honorably discharged from the military for inappropriate behavior - sentenced to court ordered counseling on four different occasions for interactions with women - a friend's wife reported him to law enforcement with concerns that he might be violent I could go on and on - this is not some poor, sex-deprived misfit who just couldn't hack it in the cutthroat world of modern dating - it's someone with deep mental illness who happened to turn it towards women, maybe because he was bullied (or maybe that was his post-rationalization). The real lesson here, as far as I can tell, is that we need to destigmatize mental illness, we need to encourage parents to get their kids mental help, and we need to shift law enforcement from a reactionary system to a preventative system. Unfortunately, the other thing that would have been really helpful here would be to have one central dossier on this individual that encompassed all of their different negative interactions with law enforcement, their military discharge, etc. - but that very quickly gets into a level of big brother that I am uncomfortable with. EDIT: I put dishonorably discharged when I should have put honorably - fixed.
- zozbot234 5y agoDishonorable discharge is kind of a big deal in the military, it comes with similar consequences to outright criminal behavior in the civilian world. So it would not be a huge violation of privacy if the police could put two and two together, since they've got their arrest/criminal history anyway. EDIT: Parent comment was fixed, sorry for the confusion.
- uhtred 5y agoOf all the things civilization has survived so far and the republic falls to a bunch of sex starved WWE fanboys who planned their war from their parents' basement in-between Rick and Morty episodes.
- matt321 5y agoThe current civilization survived based on one-man on-woman.
- motohagiography 5y agoI treat weirdos as a canary. The way current policy thinkers operate is similar to the, "let's think of something literally everyone can be against and rename our agenda items as anti-whatever that is to neutralize resistance to it, and accuse any resistance as being for it," whereas this variation is, "let's pick something nobody will defend to test popular tolerance for our new surveillance powers and encroachments on basic freedoms." These incels aren't a real problem, they are the artifact of someone inventing a problem they can get funding to never actually solve, but get paid indefinitely to manage and use as a platform for other things. It's the entrepreneurship of things literally nobody wants. What clicked is there is a middle cohort who spend significant mental energy trying to align to shifting narratives of power independent of whether they have any meaningful relationship to truth. It has made me quite disagreeable, but I think good men being disagreeable may be the only remaining way out of this cultural mess.
- mandmandam 5y agoItt: People blaming Russians, immigrants, parents, BLM, and bloated budgets. Nothing about the ease of accessing guns compared to other countries. Nothing about the various drug crises. Nothing about the fear based propaganda media hammered into your heads 24/7/365. Nothing about inequality. We've really had a number done on us, that's for sure.
- readthenotes1 5y agoDon't forget the ease of accessing vans.
- mandmandam 5y agoHa very good. However, America isn't an order of magnitude above the global average in van-based murder though, so it might not be as strong an analogy as you seem to think.
- readthenotes1 5y agoSeems like a particularly USA-centric viewpoint. Canada is part of America too, and that's where the van was used.
- xoserr 5y agoThe example is a previously arrested sex offender and child molester writing crazy revenge stories. From there, potentially guys who can't get laid are suspect of thought crimes? What? Good to see we still have Pulitzer prize level journalist doing hard hitting investigative reporting instead of writing nonsense with clickbait titles.
- trs8080 5y agoLiterally all of the examples are violent. This isn't just "crazy revenge stories," it's targeted attacks with high death tolls. - Scott Paul Beierle - mass shooting - Roy Den Hollander - murder - "a shooting at an Arizona mall targeting couples" - "a machete attack at a Toronto massage parlor" - "man who blew his hand off while tinkering with a bomb that federal authorities believe was meant to target a cheerleading performance" - Elliot Rodger - mass shooting/stabbing/vehicle ramming - Alek Minassian - mass murder
- kar5pt 5y agoThey seem to call a lot of male attackers "incel terrorists", even when the attacker doesn't espouse incel-like views. Roy Den Hollander was undoubtedly misogynistic, but I don't see any evidence he was an incel. The judge in Alek Minassian's case claimed he didn't believe the incel movement was a motive. That's two out of the six examples the article uses to try to establish a pattern. They seem to be stretching to find a pattern that may not be there.
- igetspam 5y agoThe Boston bombers were mentally ill! Dahmer had emotional problems! Kaczynski was depressed! The 9/11 bombers we're angry because they didn't get enough sex! Wait... WAT? No. So why are so many of you doing such wild mental gymnastics to excuse away incel violence as a "mental health problem?"