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A lot of people are missing the bigger point here. This person was just one who got caught. The likelihood that they’re the first one to think or do this is ve

• duxup 5y ago
  The article says stories of cheating are common. I think the manner is what makes this story interesting.
  • ethanbond 5y ago
    Obviously cheating happens all the time. What GP is saying is that this manner might not even be that extraordinary.
• rdtsc 5y ago
  Exactly. Then imagine the ones who didn't get caught enter the workforce and are the ones performing surgery or other life critical procedures.
  • fredoliveira 5y ago
    > and are the ones performing surgery In fairness, this one person proved they can do implants :')
  • twayt 5y ago
    Yup, and their lack of moral compass combined with sufficient craftiness to hack the system could have major implications in the workforce. They'll be incompetent and unethical but hard to detect.
    • krageon 5y ago
      > lack of moral compass > could have major implications in the workforce I don't think this is the case. Large bodies of people already operate as if they are completely amoral today (and realistically must be engaged with as if they are to get anywhere), so what major implications could a single actor with "lack of a moral compass" really have? That's completely ignoring the issue where I'm not sure what it is even supposed to be.
• mmaunder 5y ago
  The community at DEF CON and other hacking cons have been playing with bio implants for some time, including low power RF. I came here to point out what you just said - that they got caught, which signals incompetence. I do think the bio-implanted device space is going to explode at some point. Here's where I see us headed: * VR next. If you don't have an Oculus Quest 2 or realize what a game changer it is in terms of price, power and wireless usability, you really need to get one, no matter what you think of Zuck and FB. It's the next thing. And it'll look clunky as hell 5 years from now. It's the suitcase-sized laptop of the early 90s. * Once very portable VR becomes a thing, augmented reality wearable glasses. As in real-time, amazing visuals that are seamlessly stitched into your reality, and so advantageous you won't want to live without them. * Then bio-implanted augmented reality with wireless charging through the skin. That's how I see the next 30 to 50 years unfolding in terms of devices. The first step is VR as the next big platform play. Incidentally I see three spaces there: 1. VR synthetic reality. [Already here and super fun and useful] 2. 360 film [Already here but cameras getting WAY better very fast] 3. Immersive vision-based augmented reality - visuals overlaid on regular vision. [Not quite here - but we do have PoC's and will be in the next couple years]
  • _0ffh 5y ago
    I suspect that after augmented reality wearable glasses we'll transition to AR contact lenses first, and maybe even stay there, before we go to full-on implants.
    • mmaunder 5y ago
      You're probably right. At the very least the market will always exist as some folks just refuse to get a bio implant.
  • sandworm101 5y ago
    Futurama did it. Implanted vision devices have been a few years away, for decades. The nerve-wire interface isn't a simple problem. https://youtu.be/uASUHbFEhWY https://youtu.be/uASUHbFEhWY
• eunos 5y ago
  In a few decades, critical exams might be held in rooms that practically are Faraday cages.
  • praptak 5y ago
    Also a full body CT scan in case the device is self-contained.
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  • thrdbndndn 5y ago
    "High stake" exams in my country already have radio jamming devices for years.
• busyant 5y ago
  About 5 years ago, I had 3 students who worked as a team to cheat. * The ringleader placed his iPhone under his leg. * He would lean back in his chair and hold the exam sheets up in the air. It looked a little unusual, but it (initially) seemed innocuous. * What he was really doing was pointing the sheets downward toward the camera peeking out from under his leg. * He was broadcasting the exam to God-knows-where. * He and the other two students then received answers via tiny earpieces. * In addition, the two other students would call me over to "ask clarification questions." In reality, they were trying to distract me while the ringleader broadcast the exam. * I eventually realized they were cheating (after exam 1), but I couldn't figure out how, until another student (exam 2) approached me with a note that read, "The guy to my right has his phone under his leg. Every time you circle the room, he pushes it completely under his leg so you can't see it." * At that point, however, each student was taking a slightly different exam (unbeknownst to them). The ringleader emailed me at the end of the semester and said something to the effect of: "I know I don't deserve to pass, but if you fail me, I will have to stay an extra semester." I ended up failing all three.
  • mehphp 5y ago
    Failed? I’m surprised expulsion wasn’t on the table.
    • Trollmann 5y ago
      They weren‘t caught while cheating though. So maybe hard to justify if they decided to go against expulsion with their lawyers.
    • jcranmer 5y ago
      A teacher failing their students involves a lot less paperwork and formal proceedings than going through the expulsion process. Given how busy they tend to be, signing up for all of that extra work isn't an inviting proposition.
      • yarky 5y ago
        Exactly, that's one of the main issues I encountered in "academia" : you're expected to play along and ignore cheating because the goal is to have more students for as long as possible, not less.
• basisword 5y ago
  You really don’t need high tech to cheat in exams. I was studying a few years ago (I was a mature student) and there were a few kids who took 3-4 toilet visits in a 2 hour exam to review notes on their phones after seeing the questions. The school can’t search you before the exam (i.e they can’t stop you carrying a phone) and they can’t watch you in a toilet cubicle. All these kids did well in their degree despite being idiots in classes and lectures.
  • Maursault 5y ago
    > You really don’t need high tech to cheat in exams. Although now ubiquitous, excluding two cups and a string, phones have always been high tech, as opposed to low tech, like feigning a need to use the restroom to develop their cheating space, as obvious and overused as it is. I wonder who first pioneered the fake bathroom visit for cheating, as opposed to it being employed as an escape from the extreme pressures of the classroom, i.e. smoking.
  • krageon 5y ago
    I don't know that this is an option everywhere. It is categorically not allowed to use the toilet during an exam here, so this is a thing that you cannot do.
• kelnos 5y ago
  This was my first thought, but I'm skeptical this ends up being as bad a problem as you imply. You don't just pass an exam and then immediately get sent to an operating theater and given a scalpel. You do a medical internship and residency, and are supervised by experienced doctors. (Yes, I know, this is the US system, but I'd hope the systems in other countries would be similar, or at least provide similar protections.) I would expect a cheater like this might not perform well enough to ever make it into an operating room. And even if they did, it would only be in an assistant role, where they would likely show their incompetence pretty quickly. Sure, the system overall isn't perfect, but detecting incompetence on the job (before being allowed to do any damage) is IMO the most likely scenario for cheating medical students who don't get caught at school. Even if we consider other disciplines... say, civil engineering. You don't get your degree and then immediately get the job of Principal Engineer on a bridge-building project. You're supervised by engineers with more experience, and your work is checked and signed off on if it's correct. If your work consistently fails those checks, you'll get fired.
  • moonchrome 5y ago
    >I would expect a cheater like this might not perform well enough to ever make it into an operating room. Implying that material they are testing is relevant in a practical setting ? I actually wonder if they ever do something like random tests for people that are 5+ years into their career - just unannounced testing to check retention and relevance. If it's anything like CS I wouldn't be surprised if they would fail >90% people. People here complain about having to invert binary trees in an interview...
• AlexCoventry 5y ago
  From the Fine Article: Dr Anand Rai, the whistleblower in the Vyapam scam [of 2008-2013], said: “It is very easy to get Bluetooth fitted in the ears. It is attached to the ear temporarily and can be removed. Such a technique was used by a Vyapam scam accused too to clear his medical exam eight years ago.”
• tomxor 5y ago
  An even bigger point is being missed... the underlying cause, the societal pressure to get a degree in india is so great that people will do almost anything.
  • twayt 5y ago
    Yea but how about the lower stakes examinations in more developed country with less selectivity pressure like the US? The incentive to cheat if you're a poor performer is still high. I shudder to think how many future doctors with a poor moral compass are getting through the system. Not only is their incompetence dangerous, their lack of ethics and craftiness could mean that they'll be harder to detect.
• greggman3 5y ago
  Whether the story is true or not, I think there's an even bigger point. I believe augmentation is coming. There will be a time in the not too distant future when disabling communication for almost anything else will be near unthinkable. I can imagine kids growing up with instant access to info and communication via neural link to feel threatened/stressed/horrified to be disconnected, similar to tearing a child away from its parent. I'm not making a judgement whether that's good or bad. I'm sure plenty will chime in with their opinion. I'm only bringing up the world of always on computing is probably coming and schools will need to find some other way to test students that don't require handicapping them by removing what they perceive as part of their brain.
  • throwawayboise 5y ago
    Sounds like the borg collective. No thanks.
  • Cpoll 5y ago
    If you get used to it at a young age, it probably won't be the traumatic thing you describe. E.g. have Faraday cage test booths in schools starting as early as Grade 1. Won't help much with recordings, of course, but that's more like a cheat sheet that's always on you; if you can succeed with it in a well-designed test environment, you can probably succeed with it in real life. At some point, if you're augmented, then memory is memory and there's no point in distinguishing between hardware and wetware.
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• datavirtue 5y ago
  I feel like I'm cheating when I just memorize shit. I blame the system if this many people are cheating.