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Holy crap! They're actually doubling the pricing (for some important products)! I actually followed the links and found this: > Coldline Storage Class B o

• thematrixturtle 5y ago
  As a Coldline user myself I'm not exactly happy about this, but Coldline is also the cheapest class of archival storage that Google offers. This means the increased costs will not kick in unless you actually need to un-archive data, which for typical archival cases like old logs happens quite rarely.
  • yelling_cat 5y ago
    And there's no gotcha there, Google's always been open that retrieval fees are the tradeoff for Coldline being otherwise so cheap. Nearline is the better option for data you'll access more once a quarter.
    • gunapologist99 5y ago
      "so cheap" might be a bit overly relative in this usage..
      • immibis 5y ago
        I guess the only time you would use Coldline is if you rarely access the data, but when you do access it, a retrieval delay is unacceptable. If you access it frequently, use a cheaper retrieval tier; if you can tolerate a delay, use Glacier or GCP's Archive tier.
        • re 5y ago
          > if you can tolerate a delay, use Glacier S3 recently added a Coldline-like "Glacier Instant Retrieval" class, FYI. Their "Deep Archive" class (the cheapest) still does require restore operations that take hours to complete, though. https://aws.amazon.com/s3/storage-classes/glacier/instant-retrieval/ https://aws.amazon.com/s3/storage-classes/glacier/instant-re... > or GCP's Archive tier AFAIK, the GCS Archive tier has the same availability characteristics as Coldline and the same latency as all GCS class (10s of milliseconds). It seems like the primary factor for how you'd choose a GCS storage class would be your cost projections based on how long you store objects for and how frequently you access them. https://cloud.google.com/storage/docs/storage-classes#archive https://cloud.google.com/storage/docs/storage-classes#archiv...
          • Dylan16807 5y ago
            > AFAIK, the GCS Archive tier has the same availability characteristics as Coldline and the same latency as all GCS class (10s of milliseconds). That's true as far as I know. And the combination of "the data is accessible instantly" with "there is no low priority retrieval, there is only the ultra expensive kind" implies that their architecture is extremely weird and/or some very manipulative pricing is happening.
            • the-rc 5y ago
• pkulak 5y ago
  Do it! I just moved my stuff into my own home and it's been great. Cloudflare's tunnel thing (Argo?) works a treat, but if you'd prefer a setup a bit more complicated, you can use something like Rathole (which is amazing, btw) to tunnel out to the cheapest EC2/Droplet/etc you can buy.
  • oauea 5y ago
    > Rathole What is that? Not having much luck: https://www.google.com/search?q=Rathole+software https://www.google.com/search?q=Rathole+software
    • web007 5y ago
      Appears to be https://github.com/rapiz1/rathole https://github.com/rapiz1/rathole "rathole proxy" search will find it, vs "rathole software".
    • lesuorac 5y ago
      Not actually answering your question but reverse SSH is also an option. Port on a remote host (i.e. cheap vps) forwards connections to your local machine. https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/46271 https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/46271
      • rapiz 5y ago
        Yes. that's an option. I should also add comparison between rathole and `ssh -R`. One reason that people keep inventing this kind of software is that `ssh -R` is slow and lacks of customization. (I'm the author of rathole)
    • deleted 5y ago
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    • rr808 5y ago
      I think its just Tunnel https://www.cloudflare.com/products/tunnel/ https://www.cloudflare.com/products/tunnel/
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• tyingq 5y ago
  >> Coldline Storage Class A operations pricing in multi-regions and dual-regions will increase from $0.10 per 10,000 operations to $0.40 per 10,000 operations. >>Default replication pricing in the us, nam4, eu, and eur4 locations will increase from $0.00 per GB to $0.02 per GB. >>Default replication pricing in the asia, and asia1 locations will increase from $0.00 per GB to $0.08 per GB. Quadrupling pricing. And a couple of bumps up from "free". Wow.
• Thaxll 5y ago
  But the increase is not about the storage price it's about the API calls if I'm right?
• _8j50 5y ago
  You should for personal stuff. There are nicer VPS options too. Cloud usually makes sense when considering onprem costs to do the same thing which can add up for companies.
• Spooky23 5y ago
  I’m not defending them, but that’s really an unfair assessment. They are tweaking the model for how the cold storage tier is priced, with some minor reductions on the storage component and price increases on the “operational”/tasking side. I haven’t managed a hyper cloud service, but I have managed 7-8 figure enterprise services. Sometimes as a service and ecosystem evolves, you need to tweak the business model. For a service like this, I would guess a set of customers stumbled into or found some loopholes that affected the economics of the services. It is still a simpler model than Glacier, which is the AWS service closest to this. As a customer, supplier risk is always something to factor. You can’t be religious about tech stacks for this reason and always need to chase dollars. If you have the market power, sometimes you can delay these sorts of actions with termed price contracts. If you don’t have lots of compliance requirements, paying for them baked into GCP may not be a good idea! If your business (or bonus) is dependent on the beneficence of AWS, Azure, GCP, etc, you need to make sure that you understand that you are rolling the dice and someday the happy times will end.
  • xyzzy123 5y ago
    AFAIK AWS have never increased prices on any specific product offering. Your overall point still stands, agree you have to have a plan for the day your vendor decides to put the squeeze on (and that can take many forms).
    • Graphguy 5y ago
      I’m fairly confident they usually raise prices through new generations of compute instances.
      • chockchocschoir 5y ago
        That's like saying Apple raises the prices of the iPhone through new generation of iPhone models, which is not true at all. If the same service gets a higher price, then it's a praise raise. If a new service gets a higher price, it's just a new service.
• nojito 5y ago
  It’s been far easier and cheaper to just rent a dedicated server for personal projects and websites.
• nerdjon 5y ago
  Has AWS ever done this? To my knowledge they have not, and this is the third time (at least) that google has done this. Managed Kubernetes and Google Maps API are the other 2 that I know of. I only ever remember seeing AWS lowering prices but I am curious if there are instances I am unaware of. This continues me wondering how anyone can think going with google cloud is a good idea.
  • truffdog 5y ago
    AppEngine has redone its pricing model at least once, possibly twice, in a way that upset people.
  • revel 5y ago
    Maps also has one of the most restrictive licenses I've ever seen in the industry. If you stop using Maps you're required to delete all data and all derived data. The only time I've ever seen a more restrictive license was when using Bloomberg. At least in that case it made some modicum of sense given that there was a lot of manual data entry going on in the background. The larger issue is that even though I would like to use Google in some cases, I know that I can't trust them. As a company they need to seriously rethink their approach to fostering customer trust.
  • Aeolun 5y ago
    I’ve seen parameter store (free) ”switch” to secrets manager (paid). But old parameter store is still there. That’s the closest I’ve seen.
    • coredog64 5y ago
      Secrets is a different product with additional capability.
• 908B64B197 5y ago
  Let’s be real here: nobody pays sticker prices for GCP. The only reason big customers use it is the deep discount Google gave. Now this price hikes signals us two things: Alphabet is tired of losing money on GCP or they are looking to drive customers away so they can shut it down (it’s not like a free chat app they can just stop supporting, sunsetting GCP will have to take a little longer).
  • thesandlord 5y ago
    GCP has had a ton of price hikes and price reductions. This change tells us one of two things: 1) they want to use price as a way to influence customer behavior 2) A PM wants to get promoted and this is a way to hit whatever arbitrary metrics they need. Or a combo. There is a zero chance alphabet as a parent company cares about the specific pricing of super specific SKU. And there is a zero percent chance they will shut down the fastest growing non-ads business they have... GCP is extremely profitable, they are just reinvesting in more growth. (I'm a Ex GCP employee) Edit: I want to make it clear I'm not supporting this decision. Arbitrary (or what seem like arbitrary from a customer viewpoint) price hikes is one of the reasons I left.
  • DangitBobby 5y ago
    We pay sticker price for GCP by choice over other cloud providers quite happily.
    • mekster 5y ago
      What makes you happier compared to other vendors?
      • DangitBobby 5y ago
        I feel like the interface is more intuitive, has sane defaults and has really good setup wizards when you are provisioning things. Also, my understanding is that GCP is pretty much cheaper across the board compared to AWS, but I could be wrong about that. To be fair, the only real major headache we've had with AWS in recent history was EKS stuff, and GKE really shines on GCP.
• jlgaddis 5y ago
  > Sigh, I was just thinking of moving all my stuff, projects and even websites from cloud hosted solutions to my own home server ... Good thing you didn't follow the other link to the changes in pricing for (egress) network traffic!
• sillysaurusx 5y ago
  I think you might be missing that this is an operation count price tweak. How many ops could you possibly need for cold storage? Zip up your files and you end up with one op. 40 cents per 10k ops is still so cheap. They probably tweaked this to take advantage of their lazy enterprise customers that don’t care how much they’re paying for op counts, so they use a bajillion ops.
• ineedasername 5y ago
  Hold on, they said in the announcement that some customers could see a price decrease. Do you mean to imply that Google used vague and imprecise language to hide substantial price increases? If so, color me shocked!
• grammers 5y ago
  Thanks for breaking it down, the overview doesn't help much.
• twistedpair 5y ago
  > For all other storage classes, Class A operations pricing in multi-regions and dual-regions will increase to be double the Class A operations pricing in regions. This is the real impactful change. This is for ALL STORAGE CLASSES, not just Coldline. As someone who manages billions of objects in GCP, I know very well that each of those object write is a Class A operation, so 2x in price. Also keep in mind that anyone storing objects durably (DR, anyone?), e.g. your customer data, is using multi-region, so this is a notable cost impact. Note that there is a curious inflection point where, the Class A/B operations on an object cost _more_ than the (bytes) storage cost, depending how long you retain the data. That's where this is very impactful. Annual multi-regional Standard _storage_ cost for a 19MiB object e.g. 0.026 $/(GiBmo) 12 mo/yr * 19 MiB/yr = 5.95E-06 $/yr/obj Annual multi-regional Standard storage cost for an object that you 1x write (A), and 2x read (B). e.g. 0.05/1e4 $/A req + 2 * 0.004/1e4 $/ B req = 5.80E-06 $/yr/object Here we see that the old annual "storage" carrying cost for this 19MiB object was less than the "request" cost. Now double the cost of the operations and you should consider storing fewer, bigger objects.
  • thematrixturtle 5y ago
    All data on GCS is stored durably (14 9s or something ridiculous like that). The only reason to use dual/multiregion is for lower latency, you're basically paying for geo replication. Of course, I'm sure many users are not aware of this, and it's not helped by the GCP console defaulting to multi when creating new buckets.
    • GeneralMayhem 5y ago
      Also for availability, if you need extremely high uptime - single-region outages are not unheard of, and even if your data is still there when they come back, you might have lost a significant amount of money and/or trust in the meantime.
    • twistedpair 5y ago
      Durability is great, but availability is also crucial, unless your business can tolerate hours or more of availability outages. Let's say us-central1 is down for some reason (has happened a number of times), but your customer workloads need to keep running uninterrupted, so you fail over to us-west2. Where should your customer files, that need to be read/written for the customer workloads, be written then? If you kept them all in the region that's on the fritz, you've got upset customers, broken SLAs, etc.