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Reminder to not link directly to jwz.org from HN. Here's a sanitized link: (or right click above and open in incognito) https://web.archive.org/web/20220121083

Reminder to not link directly to jwz.org from HN. Here's a sanitized link: (or right click above and open in incognito) https://web.archive.org/web/20220121083848/https://www.jwz.org/blog/2020/05/fucking-facebook-3/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220121083848/https://www.jwz.o...

webmaven 5y ago
Oops. Here is Cory Doctorow's post (the jwz reference and link is about ¾ of the way down): https://onezero.medium.com/nonstandard-measures-cf47c67e8f05 https://onezero.medium.com/nonstandard-measures-cf47c67e8f05
colejohnson66 5y ago
Anyone know why they block HN referral requests?
- blendergeek 5y ago
  If you click through to JWZ from HN, you will see an NSFW picture with the following text underneath: > Hackers News: A DDos by finance obsessed man-children and brogrammers.
  - colejohnson66 5y ago
    “A DDOS” (aka the “hug of death”) makes sense, but “man children and brogrammers”?
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - stickfigure 5y ago
      JWZ is one of those people who thinks it's edgy and cool to insult people. I found it funny about 20 years ago, now I find it merely embarrassing.
      - Impassionata 5y ago
    - na85 5y ago
      >man children and brogrammers Accurate description of a significant portion of this site's userbase.
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
  - dehrmann 5y ago
    They're not entirely wrong.
  - maccolgan 5y ago
    Oddly accurate.
  - pwdisswordfish9 5y ago
    >> Anyone know why they block HN referral requests? > If you click through to JWZ from HN, you will see an NSFW picture with the following text underneath: Maybe something to do with reading comprehension.
- branon 5y ago
  [flagged]
  - Lascaille 5y ago
    >I read his blog sometimes and all too often come away feeling disgusted. The comments sections are all echo chambers and his dialog on certain sociopolitical issues (recently, vaccine passports) is nothing short of fascist. I used to read it frequently and enjoyed it, especially around the time he was setting up DNA lounge. Then after a while I started to notice this odd regression, as in, day by day it seemed to get younger and more naïve. When I eventually gave up it was like reading the livejournal of an edgy 15yo who'd just finished Das Kapital, or a stereotypical r/latestagecapitalism mod. I can't imagine what's it like now but totally unsurprised to hear it's todays flavor of radically authoritarian leftism. https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/12/digital-vaccine-passes-will-soon-be-in-more-than-30-states/#comment-227801 https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/12/digital-vaccine-passes-will... >> "Your privacy maximalism is all very nice in the abstract, but continuing to cater to the whims of kooks like you is literally going to kill me and my friends." Hahahah. Oh wow. Something really weird is happening to a lot of people and I just don't get it. It isn't happening to me, so why is it happening to them?
    - branon 5y ago
      Thanks for replying. My comment is getting downvoted (rightly so as it's off-topic politicking) but I wanted to have the conversation anyway since somebody else brought up jwz. That is the exact link I was thinking of. Viewpoints like these really do seem to be proliferating at a concerning rate.
      - mixmastamyk 5y ago
        Fear is powerful. The CDC just dropped most requirements so his digital bondage fantasy is over before it started.
      - Lascaille 5y ago
        >Viewpoints like these really do seem to be proliferating at a concerning rate. The progressive left championing the benefits of radical and toxic authoritarianism while screaming frantically that everyone to the right of them is a fascist and that fascism is coming up fast. The irony.
- jedberg 5y ago
  Before when his posts got on the front page his own comments section would fill up with people who don't agree with him. He did not like this, so he made it slightly more difficult to see his content so that most people would just give up. Basically he only wants people who agree with him to read and respond to his content.
  - askura 5y ago
    Pretty sad way to live your life to be honest. Healthy discussion and reflection is what stops you turning into a pillock and more people need it.
    - imoverclocked 5y ago
      In many spheres, yes, but not all. Sometimes the world/popular opinion really is wrong but is pushed with the guise of “healthy discussion.” When you meet a lot of different people, you realize we are all pretty similar… ask similar questions, make similar complaints. It also means we all have similar “healthy discussions” which can be somewhat antithetical to pushing in/discovering a new direction. That said, I know nothing about this person.
    - 0_____0 5y ago
      Ehhh, I get it. HN in aggregate has an oddly specific mindset that is honestly grating at times. I come here because I don't mind it that much, but I can imagine JWZ getting a fuckton of inbounds from HN, going "nope fuck that" and setting up a redirect.
    - icelancer 5y ago
      If JWZ was the one submitting content here, I'd agree. But people are linking his stuff here and then talking negatively about him (or so he perceives), and I don't see what's wrong with making it harder to do that. Doesn't speak highly of his maturity level, but whatever, it's his site. EDIT: I don't even agree with his political viewpoints; in fact I'm close to polar opposite. But I get it.
    - renewiltord 5y ago
- tqi 5y ago
  Because he has enough money to look down his nose at people he perceives to be motivated by money?
  - mrpopo 5y ago
    Rather, I would bet that his stance is that if you are motivated by something else than money, you shouldn't go through VC-backed funds to build your business, because sooner or later someone will squeeze as much money as possible out of your business. I'm thinking of Bandcamp as the most recent example, because there is no doubt that they had good intentions and a real vision, but there are many out there.
    - sitkack 5y ago
      Whaaaa https://www.billboard.com/pro/epic-games-buys-bandcamp-acquisition/ https://www.billboard.com/pro/epic-games-buys-bandcamp-acqui...
- splatcollision 5y ago
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
perihelions 5y ago
Complementary to this, anyone can simply disable (or spoof!) their HTTP Refer[r]ers. Don't give surveillance adtech an inch. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Referrer https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Referrer
- JohnTHaller 5y ago
  Better to disable than spoof. Lots of CDNs and download mirrors are configured to allow blank ones (so techie folks can access) but disallow unapproved existing referrers (to prevent leeching bandwidth).
  - perihelions 5y ago
    Yes, but Firefox' spoofing option that I linked sends the target URL as a self-referrer, which is benign. It's the same behavior as navigating internal links.
    - JohnTHaller 5y ago
      Not when going between sub-domains. dns.example.com will usually only allow referrers of either blank or example.com.

webmaven 5y ago

Oops. Here is Cory Doctorow's post (the jwz reference and link is about ¾ of the way down): https://onezero.medium.com/nonstandard-measures-cf47c67e8f05 https://onezero.medium.com/nonstandard-measures-cf47c67e8f05

colejohnson66 5y ago

Anyone know why they block HN referral requests?

blendergeek 5y ago
If you click through to JWZ from HN, you will see an NSFW picture with the following text underneath: > Hackers News: A DDos by finance obsessed man-children and brogrammers.
- colejohnson66 5y ago
  “A DDOS” (aka the “hug of death”) makes sense, but “man children and brogrammers”?
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - stickfigure 5y ago
    JWZ is one of those people who thinks it's edgy and cool to insult people. I found it funny about 20 years ago, now I find it merely embarrassing.
    - Impassionata 5y ago
  - na85 5y ago
    >man children and brogrammers Accurate description of a significant portion of this site's userbase.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
- dehrmann 5y ago
  They're not entirely wrong.
- maccolgan 5y ago
  Oddly accurate.
- pwdisswordfish9 5y ago
  >> Anyone know why they block HN referral requests? > If you click through to JWZ from HN, you will see an NSFW picture with the following text underneath: Maybe something to do with reading comprehension.
branon 5y ago
[flagged]
- Lascaille 5y ago
  >I read his blog sometimes and all too often come away feeling disgusted. The comments sections are all echo chambers and his dialog on certain sociopolitical issues (recently, vaccine passports) is nothing short of fascist. I used to read it frequently and enjoyed it, especially around the time he was setting up DNA lounge. Then after a while I started to notice this odd regression, as in, day by day it seemed to get younger and more naïve. When I eventually gave up it was like reading the livejournal of an edgy 15yo who'd just finished Das Kapital, or a stereotypical r/latestagecapitalism mod. I can't imagine what's it like now but totally unsurprised to hear it's todays flavor of radically authoritarian leftism. https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/12/digital-vaccine-passes-will-soon-be-in-more-than-30-states/#comment-227801 https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/12/digital-vaccine-passes-will... >> "Your privacy maximalism is all very nice in the abstract, but continuing to cater to the whims of kooks like you is literally going to kill me and my friends." Hahahah. Oh wow. Something really weird is happening to a lot of people and I just don't get it. It isn't happening to me, so why is it happening to them?
  - branon 5y ago
    Thanks for replying. My comment is getting downvoted (rightly so as it's off-topic politicking) but I wanted to have the conversation anyway since somebody else brought up jwz. That is the exact link I was thinking of. Viewpoints like these really do seem to be proliferating at a concerning rate.
    - mixmastamyk 5y ago
      Fear is powerful. The CDC just dropped most requirements so his digital bondage fantasy is over before it started.
    - Lascaille 5y ago
      >Viewpoints like these really do seem to be proliferating at a concerning rate. The progressive left championing the benefits of radical and toxic authoritarianism while screaming frantically that everyone to the right of them is a fascist and that fascism is coming up fast. The irony.
jedberg 5y ago
Before when his posts got on the front page his own comments section would fill up with people who don't agree with him. He did not like this, so he made it slightly more difficult to see his content so that most people would just give up. Basically he only wants people who agree with him to read and respond to his content.
- askura 5y ago
  Pretty sad way to live your life to be honest. Healthy discussion and reflection is what stops you turning into a pillock and more people need it.
  - imoverclocked 5y ago
    In many spheres, yes, but not all. Sometimes the world/popular opinion really is wrong but is pushed with the guise of “healthy discussion.” When you meet a lot of different people, you realize we are all pretty similar… ask similar questions, make similar complaints. It also means we all have similar “healthy discussions” which can be somewhat antithetical to pushing in/discovering a new direction. That said, I know nothing about this person.
  - 0_____0 5y ago
    Ehhh, I get it. HN in aggregate has an oddly specific mindset that is honestly grating at times. I come here because I don't mind it that much, but I can imagine JWZ getting a fuckton of inbounds from HN, going "nope fuck that" and setting up a redirect.
  - icelancer 5y ago
    If JWZ was the one submitting content here, I'd agree. But people are linking his stuff here and then talking negatively about him (or so he perceives), and I don't see what's wrong with making it harder to do that. Doesn't speak highly of his maturity level, but whatever, it's his site. EDIT: I don't even agree with his political viewpoints; in fact I'm close to polar opposite. But I get it.
  - renewiltord 5y ago
tqi 5y ago
Because he has enough money to look down his nose at people he perceives to be motivated by money?
- mrpopo 5y ago
  Rather, I would bet that his stance is that if you are motivated by something else than money, you shouldn't go through VC-backed funds to build your business, because sooner or later someone will squeeze as much money as possible out of your business. I'm thinking of Bandcamp as the most recent example, because there is no doubt that they had good intentions and a real vision, but there are many out there.
  - sitkack 5y ago
    Whaaaa https://www.billboard.com/pro/epic-games-buys-bandcamp-acquisition/ https://www.billboard.com/pro/epic-games-buys-bandcamp-acqui...
splatcollision 5y ago
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]

perihelions 5y ago

Complementary to this, anyone can simply disable (or spoof!) their HTTP Refer[r]ers. Don't give surveillance adtech an inch. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Referrer https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Referrer

JohnTHaller 5y ago
Better to disable than spoof. Lots of CDNs and download mirrors are configured to allow blank ones (so techie folks can access) but disallow unapproved existing referrers (to prevent leeching bandwidth).
- perihelions 5y ago
  Yes, but Firefox' spoofing option that I linked sends the target URL as a self-referrer, which is benign. It's the same behavior as navigating internal links.
  - JohnTHaller 5y ago
    Not when going between sub-domains. dns.example.com will usually only allow referrers of either blank or example.com.