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Car Models with the Most DUIs
- im_down_w_otp 5y agoI can't tell what I'm more surprised by here. That the Ford Contour made the list or that said car is described as being an attempt at cross-over between a sedan and a sports car. I always assumed it was an experiment at Ford to see if they could sell a car to Americans that barely qualifies as transportation.
- kube-system 5y agoThe Contour was a bad attempt at a sports sedan, but that’s what it was. The late 90s was not a great time for the big 3.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y agoThe Contour SVT was the sporty version, akin to the Taurus SHO. Not a sports car, per se, but a sporty sedan.
- kube-system 5y agoThe regular contour was marketed as a “sporty” sedan, despite the performance characteristics. Like the Lumina euro-sport, and similar. The big 3 did a lazy job of competing with imports in the 90s.
- rasz 5y agoNot normalized, might as well be called "most popular cars in US".
- ijlx 5y agoIt is absolutely normalized
- yibg 5y agoIt’s percentage of owners. What other normalization are you looking for?
- Jyaif 5y agoThis study is not measuring the number of DUI per car model. It's measuring the amount of drivers that have had a DUI in their life, per car model. So this study could start by normalising against the age of drivers, because the older the drivers, the more likely they've have had a DUI strike in their life.
- providedotemacs 5y agoIt is nowhere near a list of the most popular cars in the US.
- xxxtentachyon 5y agoI wish I lived in a country where WRXs were that popular!
- moron4hire 5y agoIt's not saying that the WRX is popular. It's saying that, of people that own a WRX, a disproportionately high percentage of them have had a DUI.
- LeonB 5y agoIt is normalised. “For each model, the share of drivers with a prior DUI violation was compared against the total population of motorists that owned that model. The 10 models with the highest proportion of drivers with a DUI were then selected”
- Jyaif 5y agoThe key word here is "prior". A car released in 2022 that is popular with old people will have more drivers that have had a DUI violation than a car released in 2022 that is popular with 16 year olds, because the older folks would have had more chance to get DUI in their life.
- klyrs 5y ago> The key word here is "prior". Yeah, it would be better if that keyword was in the title.
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- mrfusion 5y agoCorrelation not equal to causation?
- maximus-decimus 5y agoDoes anyone think owning a truck causes you to get DUIs or that having DUIs causes you to buy a truck?
- sbarre 5y agoI think a dude buying a pickup truck they don't need, and a dude deciding to drive drunk have strongly overlapping areas in the venn diagram.
- alephxyz 5y agoLiving in a rural area makes you more likely to own a truck and more likely to drive to the bar compared to someone in an urban area who can walk, take an Uber, public transit, etc
- wswope 5y agoInsurify.com more interested in actuarial stats than academic scientific inquiry?
- mrfusion 5y agoThe trucks make sense by Why the Subaru?
- mulcahey 5y agohttps://youtu.be/PEnp3A7juRI https://youtu.be/PEnp3A7juRI
- rl3 5y ago"The best letters in life come in threes: IPA, CBD, DUI. I got all three of those." Thank you for this.
- buildsjets 5y agoThe WRX is the souped up high horsepower version. Frequently driven by testosterone driven young male adventure seekers.
- itsoktocry 5y ago>The WRX is the souped up high horsepower version The WRX has 270hp, completely average in its market. Honda Accords, VW GTI, Mazda3 -- and more-- all have similar performance.
- haunter 5y agoThat's one of the most iconic sport rally cars, originally WRX was the street legal variant of the rally championship version (WRC). Nowdays they are different but still an incredibly popular car https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Impreza_WRC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Impreza_WRC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_WRX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_WRX
- donatj 5y ago> Since then, thanks to stricter laws, more comprehensive education regarding alcohol safety, and the development of technology such as ignition interlock device, DUI-related fatalities have decreased by almost 80 percent. In 2017, 1,064 people were killed as a result of drunk driving. I'd suggest it's a large part if not almost entirely the massive improvements in crash safety that's taken place in automobiles. The improvements in that time range are insane and truly awesome.
- lokar 5y agoYeah, the rate of crashes would be the better metric
- deepsquirrelnet 5y agoYea, I think so too. I just looked it up and vehicle deaths per 100k dropped from like ~20 to ~10 between 1982 and 2012. Of course, that is inclusive of DUI deaths, so they can't be decoupled in that data point. It's harder to find information about total alcohol-related accidents, but I did see one chart from Wisconsin, where it appeared that number of crashes dropped significantly between the late 70s to mid 80s, but has remained mostly constant since then.
- Retric 5y agoImprovements in safety are largely offset by more drivers, so the total number of fatalities per year in the US hasn’t decreased very rapidly. 2019 had 36,096 deaths, while the maximum ever was in 1972 at 54,589. Fatalities per 100 million VMT on the other hand shows real improvements, from 4.33 in 1972 down to 1.10 in 2020. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...
- isomel 5y agoAlso, the car having automated sound alerts, or following the road and breaking automatically helps
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- moralestapia 5y agoNo BMWs there, wow. Also, would be interesting to see the same list segmented by state, I'm sure it will be quite different from one to another.
- gumby 5y ago> No BMWs there, wow. Probably everyone is giving them a wide berth as they apparently aren’t equipped with turn signals.
- spoils19 5y agoIf a car doesn't have turn signals installed, isn't that against regulations across many countries, including the US? I believe in freedom for all but it sets a dangerous precedent if we allow cars to not have turn signals.
- vmception 5y agoThat’s sarcasm because their experience is BMW drivers not driving predictably or with turn signals. They were trying to add some snarky hate to BMW drivers because nothing in the article supported BMW drivers being a problem at all.
- eckesicle 5y agoFor fun, I started keeping a log book of the number of times a driver has been involved in a dangerous situation with me (like cutting me off), grouped by make. BMWs show up about 30% of the time in my notepad (in absolute numbers, not adjusted for how many BMWs are on the road here in the UK (5%)). I would be shocked if BMWs (and Vauxhalls/Opel) aren't massively overrepresented in accident statistics here in the UK.
- itslennysfault 5y agoIt was a joke. BMW drivers are notoriously bad. Also, not REALLY it's just a thing people say, but when you get cut off by a BMW that doesn't use it's turn signal it is not a surprise.
- avastmick 5y agoI couldn't get any location information from the page, but I wonder if these are mostly rural? I live in New Zealand and while the vehicles are not seen here the makeup would seem to align with my experience - trucks (Utes as we call them), cheap old cars, or flashy cars. The problem with living rurally is that there may be no options to socialise without your car.
- kube-system 5y agoPickups do skew rural and to blue collar trades in the US too.
- lokar 5y agoPickup trucks are very popular in the US, even for people with no special need for one (vs a car). It's a cultural thing.
- deltarholamda 5y ago>It's a cultural thing While true, based on extensive data analysis, 100% of all conversations that start with "hey, hold my beer," ends with somebody getting into a truck and doing something ill-advised.
- spoils19 5y agoI'm curious about this - do you have any sort of source for that data?
- crooked-v 5y agoTo expand on this, there are a huge number of huge trucks in the US that get used as either single-person cars (often with the bed almost entirely unused) or as awkward replacements for family SUVs or minivans, and a huge number of family SUVs that get used as oversized, fuel-inefficient minivans. Fortunately, we've at least seen the latter reverse itself somewhat with the rise of "crossovers", which are basically just a popularization of the Subaru Outback-style slightly-lifted wagon/hatchback with AWD.
- pjsg 5y agoOne puzzling aspect is that these vehicles don't seem to be correlated with the age of drivers. Given that the older that a driver is, the more likely they are to have at least one DUI, you would expect to find a lot of cars that older people drive. You could compensate for this by only looking at DUIs within the last five years, but it didn't seem that that was a factor in this study.
- notacoward 5y ago> the older that a driver is, the more likely they are to have at least one DUI The statistics don't back that up. Yes, the number of DUIs on an individual user's record increases monotonically, but that's an uninteresting observation and not what this is about. This is about the vehicle make/model that's being insured and that's highly likely to be the same as (or similar to) the one in which the DUI was incurred. The median age for DUI citations in the US is 30; the median overall is 38. Here are some more detailed statistics. https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812864 https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/... Drinking to DUI levels has always been more prevalent among the young. So has getting behind the wheel in that condition instead of getting a ride. People get more DUIs when they're young, and the vehicles mentioned definitely do correlate with a younger demographic. Not a lot of old folks in WRXes, unless you think 30 is old.
- blunte 5y agoIn the top 10 list, the WRX is the standout. People who buy a WRX are racer/rally types, and they're going to be "enjoying" their car drunk or not. Drunk just means they're more likely. It's possible that the WRX drivers were screwing around and got caught, and it just so happened that some of them had been drinking. The rest of the cars, possibly excluding the Audi (which could be the urban WRX... maybe) represent people who generally make bad life choices. Driving drunk is just one more bad decision. The rest of the cars are people who already demonstrate poor choices in life. DUI is just one more.
- BoorishBears 5y agoWhat on earth is this comment lol. It sounds like you're trying look down on blue collar workers... Because the majority of cars you didn't mention are workhorse trucks, and if you drive drunk then of course you make bad life decisions. Why would WRX and Audi drivers be excluded?
- dzhiurgis 5y agoLet's not pretend alcohol and drug abuse isn't a thing among hard workers.
- BoorishBears 5y agoExcept that's not what they said, they said these are people who generally make poor life decisions...
- itsoktocry 5y ago>The rest of the cars are people who already demonstrate poor choices in life. DUI is just one more. Please tell me what the charitable interpretation of this is. How does owning a truck imply you make poor life decisions, but an Audi doesn't? I mean, at least a truck has some practical uses, while an Audi does nothing a car half the price doesn't. What's even better is that this is just a garbage, clickbait "article" drawing silly conclusions and people use it to attack blue collar workers. Look at some of these comments. So strange.
- __john 5y agoHypothesis: Young people drive these cars, young people get DUIs (87% are age 44 and under). https://www.duicentral.com/dui-statistics/age/ https://www.duicentral.com/dui-statistics/age/
- pavon 5y agoI suspect these numbers have large error bars, making a top 10 list pretty meaningless. First off, if you look at the same report from last year (first link in article), only a single car model shows up in both lists. There is no reason to expect such large swings in ownership or behavior in such a short period in time, suggesting the change is likely due to random variation in sampling. On top of that their methodology only counts drivers that used a relatively obscure service to compare insurance, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a small number of DUIs per model in general.
- dmix 5y agoIt’s also the opposite extreme of survivorship bias.
- jetbooster 5y agoTo spell this out, as I didn't quite understand what the reply meant, These vehicles are the ones you are most likely to have a crash in and therefore be DUI'd, but also still survive said crash instead of dying. Obviously you could also be pulled over instead of crashing, but some cars may be under-represented in these figures because the driver does not survive.
- c3534l 5y agoBut isn't only counting those that literally survive the very essence of survivorship bias? How is it the opposite of survivorship bias?
- anthony_d 5y agoThese are the owners that were caught. The survivors didn’t get caught, maybe because they didn’t drive after drinking but maybe because they weren’t pulled over.
- KennyBlanken 5y agoI find it difficult to believe the issue is small sample size, given how many DUIs there are in the US. The biggest influence is going to be whether you were wealthy enough. The difference between a DUI conviction and any other outcome is wealth and applying it toward a top-shelf DUI attorney. DUI attorneys traffic in leveraging their connections to either keep you out of court in the first place, get a favorable plea, a favorable prosecutor/judge, or if all that fails, find the tiniest little mistake in the case.
- hbrav 5y agoDodge Ram 2500 - Sorry, but why the fuck is anyone with a DUI able to get insurance to drive a truck with a 6.4L engine?
- alliao 5y agothe price really hits home, suggests majority of convicted DUI have an income ceiling thus preventing this list having a wide range of prices despite wide range of types of vehicles.
- wodenokoto 5y ago> In total, an average of 1.78 percent of car owners per model has a prior DUI violation. That sounds like they have taken the average in a completely meaningless way.
- bdcravens 5y ago9 of the top 10 large counties with the most DUI fatalities are in Texas, which explains the pickup numbers https://www.autoinsuranceez.com/drunk-driving-worst-counties/ https://www.autoinsuranceez.com/drunk-driving-worst-counties...
- munnamunna 5y ago1. RAM 2500. The RAM 2500 has the highest DUI rate compared to any other car in the United States. In fact, 1 in every 22 RAM 2500 drivers has at least one DUI on their record, compared to the national average of 1 in every 56. more info carsmechinery.com
- jaymyers 5y agoJust another data point to add to justify raising rates. It's a scam.
- RickJWagner 5y agoThe Audi seems like a bit of an oddball in that list. Otherwise (having gone through some years as a single male) I totally get it.