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This is a good article but it's a few years old, and out of date now. I can't see its date with my current adblock settings. It would be great if someone coul

This is a good article but it's a few years old, and out of date now. I can't see its date with my current adblock settings. It would be great if someone could find it and put it in the title. There are stupendously powerful $1 microcontrollers now, including the RP2040 (dual core cortex m0+ with 264KB ram on the chip), ESP32-S2 (Espressif core with 400k of ram and wifi), and ESP32-C3 with wifi and RISC-V core and again something like 400k of ram. Jay Carlson also has a series about microcontrollers as cheap as THREE CENTS, i.e. the famous Padauk 3 cent MCU: https://jaycarlson.net/2019/09/06/whats-up-with-these-3-cent-microcontrollers/ https://jaycarlson.net/2019/09/06/whats-up-with-these-3-cent...

genezeta 5y ago
> It would be great if someone could find it and put it in the title. There's no publication date -nor anything marking it as updated at any time afterwards- on the article itself, but first comments are from November 2017 and passing references in the article point to "end of 2017" too.
coupdejarnac 5y ago
Those are the three micros I use for projects/products, too. A while back I bought a few hundred of the Padauk chips with the intent of doing a small manufacturing run of a side project, but I haven't seen them in stock at the normal places for a while. It looks like the lead time for cheap micros in general is about a year.
nanis 5y ago
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AussieWog93 5y ago
>RP2040 Wow, that's an incredibly capable chip for the price!
- amelius 5y ago
  How fast is the serial interface over USB? (What you need if you want to connect it to a normal PC)
  - opencl 5y ago
    The RP2040 actually has built in 12Mbps USB 1.1, no serial bridge required. But if you do want to use a serial to USB bridge the max baud rate is 921600.
- jhallenworld 5y ago
  It has an interesting trade-off: no internal flash. But I've found that I add a SPI-flash chip to the MCU in many designs, so it's a reasonable choice. NXP has rt1020 (Cortex-M7, no flash), or rt1024, which is same but 4 MB flash in the package- it's connected to the SPI-flash controller of the rt1020 core, so I think it's a multi-die package.
- throwaway81523 5y ago
  Look at the even more capable and comparably priced ESP32-S2 and ESP32-C3.
pb82 5y ago
The article about the Padauk is interesting. Especially the description of the FPPA feature. Multiple CPU contexts? This sounds suspiciously like SMT to me which would be a total novelty for a micro controller (afaik).
- sokoloff 5y ago
  ESP32 was released August 2016. I’m not even sure it was the first.
  - throwaway81523 5y ago
    The ESP32 has two separate cores, not SMT. But look at the Parallax Propeller which goes back quite a long way. Also the Padauk is not exactly SMT afaict. It's more like time slicing. The idea of SMT in eg. an x86 is that one thread can run while another is blocked waiting for memory.
    - addaon 5y ago
      Sounds like a barrel processor [1], used to hide latency of individual instructions to allow code to be written without having to think as much about instruction scheduling / dependencies. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_processor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_processor
      - sitkack 5y ago
        The Xmos chips give the programmer virtual time sliced contexts over one or more hardware core(s). Say you have a 400 Mhz base clock and 4 threads, each one would see the wall clock time advance at 100 Mhz. This is useful for having concurrent realtime operations on each hardware thread w/o having to resort to trickery. These chips are ideal for DSP, phased arrays and beam forming. Most of their devkits are centered around voice applications. https://www.xmos.ai/documentation/XM-014363-PC-5/html/arch-hw-guide/index.html https://www.xmos.ai/documentation/XM-014363-PC-5/html/arch-h... https://www.xmos.ai/download/xCORE-Array-Microphone-Product-Brief(1.1).pdf https://www.xmos.ai/download/xCORE-Array-Microphone-Product-...
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genezeta 5y ago

> It would be great if someone could find it and put it in the title. There's no publication date -nor anything marking it as updated at any time afterwards- on the article itself, but first comments are from November 2017 and passing references in the article point to "end of 2017" too.

coupdejarnac 5y ago

Those are the three micros I use for projects/products, too. A while back I bought a few hundred of the Padauk chips with the intent of doing a small manufacturing run of a side project, but I haven't seen them in stock at the normal places for a while. It looks like the lead time for cheap micros in general is about a year.

nanis 5y ago

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AussieWog93 5y ago

>RP2040 Wow, that's an incredibly capable chip for the price!

amelius 5y ago
How fast is the serial interface over USB? (What you need if you want to connect it to a normal PC)
- opencl 5y ago
  The RP2040 actually has built in 12Mbps USB 1.1, no serial bridge required. But if you do want to use a serial to USB bridge the max baud rate is 921600.
jhallenworld 5y ago
It has an interesting trade-off: no internal flash. But I've found that I add a SPI-flash chip to the MCU in many designs, so it's a reasonable choice. NXP has rt1020 (Cortex-M7, no flash), or rt1024, which is same but 4 MB flash in the package- it's connected to the SPI-flash controller of the rt1020 core, so I think it's a multi-die package.
throwaway81523 5y ago
Look at the even more capable and comparably priced ESP32-S2 and ESP32-C3.

pb82 5y ago

The article about the Padauk is interesting. Especially the description of the FPPA feature. Multiple CPU contexts? This sounds suspiciously like SMT to me which would be a total novelty for a micro controller (afaik).

sokoloff 5y ago
ESP32 was released August 2016. I’m not even sure it was the first.
- throwaway81523 5y ago
  The ESP32 has two separate cores, not SMT. But look at the Parallax Propeller which goes back quite a long way. Also the Padauk is not exactly SMT afaict. It's more like time slicing. The idea of SMT in eg. an x86 is that one thread can run while another is blocked waiting for memory.
  - addaon 5y ago
    Sounds like a barrel processor [1], used to hide latency of individual instructions to allow code to be written without having to think as much about instruction scheduling / dependencies. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_processor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_processor
    - sitkack 5y ago
      The Xmos chips give the programmer virtual time sliced contexts over one or more hardware core(s). Say you have a 400 Mhz base clock and 4 threads, each one would see the wall clock time advance at 100 Mhz. This is useful for having concurrent realtime operations on each hardware thread w/o having to resort to trickery. These chips are ideal for DSP, phased arrays and beam forming. Most of their devkits are centered around voice applications. https://www.xmos.ai/documentation/XM-014363-PC-5/html/arch-hw-guide/index.html https://www.xmos.ai/documentation/XM-014363-PC-5/html/arch-h... https://www.xmos.ai/download/xCORE-Array-Microphone-Product-Brief(1.1).pdf https://www.xmos.ai/download/xCORE-Array-Microphone-Product-...

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