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Oh, my God, that 40 miles convoy. A crawling duck, but sadly no Warthogs in sight. It's a shame.

jacquesm 5y ago
Yes, NATO donating some training and a couple of A-10s would be an interesting move. Obviously it is never going to be that simple.
- Borrible 5y ago
  The Russians showed the 'tactical nuke' card. So NATO won't get involved with more than a few AT Weapons here and there at max. Lavrov said, they didn't threaten with nukes.That means they did. That creature was bred and selected over decades for such jobs. Actually I just indulge in fantasies of burning bastards.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    You are not alone in that I think there are quite a few people that would like a little bit of quiet quality time with a certain dictator.
    - Borrible 5y ago
      If it were just a certain dictator, the Ides of March are just around the corner. But, as you mentioned, it's not that simple. Russians are in favor of Putin. And of course, the apparatus has been driving up approval ratings for him for months before this stunt. And now most Russian don't know anything from independent sources, some probably didn't even heard about that Ukraine Peace Operation. A lot of them just believe the whole narrative, because, well, it's the decadent West that says otherwise and 'they want to hold us down. They always do.' So even if there is a fraction in the apparatus at all that would or could act, there alway looms the danger of a civil war for them.
      - jacquesm 5y ago
        Civil war in Russia is pretty much a given at some point. This can't go on forever. Though, it has gone on long enough that maybe that is based on a faulty assumption: that in the longer term the world trends to improvement. That might not be the case, we may be able to reach some local maximum and then fall back again.
        p1esk 5y ago
        Civil war? Majority supports the invasion, the rest is indifferent, and 0.1% are protesting (soon to be jailed).
        jacquesm 5y ago
        Note the 'at some point': Russia can't go on like this, regardless of whatever popular support Putin has at this point in time. It's about as meaningful as the support for Kim in NK.
        Borrible 5y ago
        It's not the problem what we think they can get away with. The problem is what they think they can can get away with. And in what time frame. They obviously operate in a different frame of reference. Their military doctrine is also different from ours, apart from the obvious shortcomings at the moment. But it doesn't matter militaryly, they don't fight us, they fight the Ukraine. Because of their bloody nukes. A shame Patton was right in his motivation to stop the Soviets. That would have been before they get nukes themselves. They have set the anchor in these negotiations between us and them. They want status quo ante 1997. They will at least get Ukraine. Perhaps Moldavia. And they created chaos. Which always also bears opportunity. And China will wait.
        jacquesm 5y ago
        > They want status quo ante 1997 They can want whatever they want, doesn't mean they are going to get it. > They don't fight us, they fight the Ukraine. They don't fight us, they fight Poland! This sort of thing doesn't really work.
- raverbashing 5y ago
  True. But I'm afraid there are several issues and training is not a 2 day affair even if the other issues didn't exist https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/no-the-us-air-force-isnt-going-to-give-ukraine-its-a-10-warthogs/ https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/no-the-us-air-force-isnt...
  - Aeolun 5y ago
    Huh? Don’t we have some servicemen on vacation in Ukraine right now? They’re just there on holiday, sightseeing in their A10.
    - justsomehnguy 5y ago
      PUTIN: These guys were on a holiday there THE WORLD: gasps UK: These guys were on a holiday there THE WORLD: claps Or as the saying goes "Rules for thee and not for me". [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30488680 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30488680
      - Borrible 5y ago
        Absolutely right you are, sir. We all have to thank the Russians to have shown the world in 2014 how to do it. And before that. And also to give us a great opportunity for Whataboutism. Sigh, I probably still have those Bezmenov brochures from the early eighties lying around somewhere.
        justsomehnguy 5y ago
        It is always funny how people can legitimize anything if it is used against the people they don't like. "Bombing civilians" is unacceptable if they are from "Europe" like Ukraine. "Bombing civilians" is fine if they are savages from Middle East, Africa or "not-Europe", like Russia.
        Borrible 5y ago
        Wow, an early deployment of the Racism card. Bold move, congratulation. But then again, do you really think anybody is still reading this deep in the thread? They're already bored, no shiny tech, just endless babble. But okay, your next move, Godwin’s law. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%E2%80%99s_law https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%E2%80%99s_law Game over.
vkou 5y ago
Yes, it's a terrible shame that NATO is not engaging in a full on fight with a nuclear adversary.
- Borrible 5y ago
  Since I've already addressed this point further down the thread, which can't have escaped your notice, it's rather pointless trying to pin me down on this position. I was in your back before you arrived. But you tried nonetheless, I give you that. Brave but dead.
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Yes, NATO donating some training and a couple of A-10s would be an interesting move. Obviously it is never going to be that simple.

Borrible 5y ago
The Russians showed the 'tactical nuke' card. So NATO won't get involved with more than a few AT Weapons here and there at max. Lavrov said, they didn't threaten with nukes.That means they did. That creature was bred and selected over decades for such jobs. Actually I just indulge in fantasies of burning bastards.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  You are not alone in that I think there are quite a few people that would like a little bit of quiet quality time with a certain dictator.
  - Borrible 5y ago
    If it were just a certain dictator, the Ides of March are just around the corner. But, as you mentioned, it's not that simple. Russians are in favor of Putin. And of course, the apparatus has been driving up approval ratings for him for months before this stunt. And now most Russian don't know anything from independent sources, some probably didn't even heard about that Ukraine Peace Operation. A lot of them just believe the whole narrative, because, well, it's the decadent West that says otherwise and 'they want to hold us down. They always do.' So even if there is a fraction in the apparatus at all that would or could act, there alway looms the danger of a civil war for them.
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      Civil war in Russia is pretty much a given at some point. This can't go on forever. Though, it has gone on long enough that maybe that is based on a faulty assumption: that in the longer term the world trends to improvement. That might not be the case, we may be able to reach some local maximum and then fall back again.
      - p1esk 5y ago
        Civil war? Majority supports the invasion, the rest is indifferent, and 0.1% are protesting (soon to be jailed).
        jacquesm 5y ago
        Note the 'at some point': Russia can't go on like this, regardless of whatever popular support Putin has at this point in time. It's about as meaningful as the support for Kim in NK.
        Borrible 5y ago
        It's not the problem what we think they can get away with. The problem is what they think they can can get away with. And in what time frame. They obviously operate in a different frame of reference. Their military doctrine is also different from ours, apart from the obvious shortcomings at the moment. But it doesn't matter militaryly, they don't fight us, they fight the Ukraine. Because of their bloody nukes. A shame Patton was right in his motivation to stop the Soviets. That would have been before they get nukes themselves. They have set the anchor in these negotiations between us and them. They want status quo ante 1997. They will at least get Ukraine. Perhaps Moldavia. And they created chaos. Which always also bears opportunity. And China will wait.
        jacquesm 5y ago
        > They want status quo ante 1997 They can want whatever they want, doesn't mean they are going to get it. > They don't fight us, they fight the Ukraine. They don't fight us, they fight Poland! This sort of thing doesn't really work.
raverbashing 5y ago
True. But I'm afraid there are several issues and training is not a 2 day affair even if the other issues didn't exist https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/no-the-us-air-force-isnt-going-to-give-ukraine-its-a-10-warthogs/ https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/no-the-us-air-force-isnt...
- Aeolun 5y ago
  Huh? Don’t we have some servicemen on vacation in Ukraine right now? They’re just there on holiday, sightseeing in their A10.
  - justsomehnguy 5y ago
    PUTIN: These guys were on a holiday there THE WORLD: gasps UK: These guys were on a holiday there THE WORLD: claps Or as the saying goes "Rules for thee and not for me". [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30488680 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30488680
    - Borrible 5y ago
      Absolutely right you are, sir. We all have to thank the Russians to have shown the world in 2014 how to do it. And before that. And also to give us a great opportunity for Whataboutism. Sigh, I probably still have those Bezmenov brochures from the early eighties lying around somewhere.
      - justsomehnguy 5y ago
        It is always funny how people can legitimize anything if it is used against the people they don't like. "Bombing civilians" is unacceptable if they are from "Europe" like Ukraine. "Bombing civilians" is fine if they are savages from Middle East, Africa or "not-Europe", like Russia.
        Borrible 5y ago
        Wow, an early deployment of the Racism card. Bold move, congratulation. But then again, do you really think anybody is still reading this deep in the thread? They're already bored, no shiny tech, just endless babble. But okay, your next move, Godwin’s law. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%E2%80%99s_law https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%E2%80%99s_law Game over.

vkou 5y ago

Yes, it's a terrible shame that NATO is not engaging in a full on fight with a nuclear adversary.

Borrible 5y ago
Since I've already addressed this point further down the thread, which can't have escaped your notice, it's rather pointless trying to pin me down on this position. I was in your back before you arrived. But you tried nonetheless, I give you that. Brave but dead.

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