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Does anyone have a good source on what is going on in Ukraine skies? Given that long column of equipment sitting outside from Kiev Russia must own the skies aro
by rr808 5y ago
Does anyone have a good source on what is going on in Ukraine skies? Given that long column of equipment sitting outside from Kiev Russia must own the skies around there. But the rest of the country I'm really not sure. I'm guessing the West is UA owned still.
- jonstewart 5y agoThere’s a fair bit of talk (see Gen. Mark Hertling) that the column northwest of Kyiv is pretty FUBAR just with traffic jams and logistics, and so it doesn’t need a lot of attention at the moment. Ukrainian special forces have done a lot of damage at the head of the column, and I believe a bridge in the middle of/behind the column has been taken out, at least partially.
- bostonsre 5y agoIt seems like a big juicy opportunity tho, would be great to take out all of that armor, it might not be stuck forever. I think the problem is that there are a huge amount of sams guarding that column and it would be risky to make a run against it with the few aircraft they have left.
- dragonwriter 5y agoIf it's got logistical problems, taking it out means Russia stops trying to resupply it and shifts effort elsewhere. If you are positioned to do a good job continuing to interfere with the resupply, that might be a favor to Russia, even though it might feel good.
- KarlKemp 5y agoThe optimistic takes are stronger than „temporarily stuck“. It’s basically „in a position where nothing can move forward or backward“. The road is blocked, the vehicles are out of fuel, with many wrecks in between. Food is running out and, soon, the crews will have to abandon their vehicles. It becomes a 40-mile long mass of scrap metal.
- blago 5y agoIf this turns out to be true, it's probably going to be remembered as one of the biggest blunders in military history.
- epolanski 5y agoIn post ww2 I can't think of any.
- dylan604 5y agoIf an author like Tom Clancy wrote this as a plot line in a fictional novel, nobody would believe it as possible. What modern military would be this incompetent. The stories would surely be a false flag to pull an attack. But nope, here we are in real life. In other words, the state of Russian security is literally nothing but threat of nuclear war. What are the odds those would be as poorly functioning as the rest of the forces?
- elliekelly 5y agoThis might be a dumb question but… where are all of those soldiers expected to sleep? In the vehicles and/or outside in the freezing cold? How does that work? The logistics of feeding, housing, and bathroom needs, etc. for 40 miles of people.
- throwaway_4ever 5y agoBasically just one giant Russian Burning Man Festival. Not too bad. Ever been camping?
- mocko 5y agoAbsent provisions or a ride home it sounds more like Fyre!
- redisman 5y agoIn the back of the trucks huddled together. I’m guessing they have cold weather sleeping bags.
- jotm 5y agoYou mean the Highway of Dumb? Apparently it's not even a priority right now.
- xwdv 5y agoGhost of Kyiv is out there still killing off Russian fighters. They are too scared to hang around for long.
- cheeze 5y agoAhh yes, the mythical Ghost of Kyiv that hasn't been confirmed by literally anything. It's basically twitter hearsay that people want to believe because it's a cool story. Get outta here with that. OP asked for a good source. Not fairytales.
- Lascaille 5y agoMyths are hugely effective in wartime. It's a phenomenon literally called a ghost and you're seriously saying 'but there's no proof???'
- rmbyrro 5y agoYou cannot possibly be serious that by calling something a ghost you have an excuse to presenting any sort of evidence.
- jollybean 5y agoI believe someone form UKR gov 'validated' it, that said, it's probably mostly a myth though possibly maybe someone did do a few kills. It's an ideal bit of propaganda to have though. If the Ukranians pull through this, the 'Ghost of Kyiv' will be utterly mythologized. There will be movies, video games, statues, restaurants, brands of beer etc..
- ww520 5y agoThe Ukrainian air capabilities are attacking the supply line, like the fuel trains on the south. The long column of Russian vehicles outside of Kiev is stuck for several days because logistics. Without fuel it's not going to be anywhere. There're assessments that Russia will run out of supplies to run the war further by this Sunday. At the end the vehicles will likely be just captured.
- ordu 5y ago> There're assessments that Russia will run out of supplies... Any links to read?
- roywiggins 5y agoWell, I have a tweet and a tweet thread anyway: https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1499872184382234636 https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1499872184382234636 https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1499822066098655234 https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1499822066098655234
- tguvot 5y agothey are running not out of supplies but also out of equipment. somebody filmed a train full of whatever was state of art 40 years ago at Khabarovsk yesterday. it's 9000km away. https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1499383504265785353 https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1499383504265785353 And with regards to supplies, yesterday, accidentally, due to electrical short in car (official version) blew up russian ammo depot in kursk region...https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1499761900959289347 https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1499761900959289347
- csee 5y agoThe skies are still contested according to UK's MoD today. Most of the Ukraine air force is still in tact according to the US today.
- rr808 5y agoRight I found that quote on this page which looks a fair assessment from a few days ago. https://www.aerosociety.com/news/air-war-over-ukraine-the-first-days/ https://www.aerosociety.com/news/air-war-over-ukraine-the-fi...
- bpodgursky 5y agoThere's a huge advantage in Ukraine just having enough fighters to contest the skies, even if they don't actively use their planes; it keeps Russia from performing unprotected bombing runs.
- csee 5y agoEven without air, can they even do that given the number of Man-portable air-defense systems that Ukraine has?
- epolanski 5y agoYes, they can fly higher. Or at night. Both scenarios where manpads are useless. But then you risk getting hit by sams. And you're back at the article we're commenting.
- nigerian1981 5y agoOne theory is that Ukraine may be running out of armed drones and its small, outnumbered air force may be wary of being shot down by Russian air defence batteries. Ben Barry from the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) suggests the Ukrainians may well be safeguarding what resources they do have in readiness to counter-attack when the Russians get closer to Kyiv
- adventured 5y ago> One theory is that Ukraine may be running out of armed drones Unlikely to be the problem. Ukraine just received more Bayraktar drones from Turkey. And they'll receive more after that.