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I disagree, 6 days is not enough time. Especially for people who are not tech savvy. Bad move.

by CamelCaseName 5y ago

Shadonototra 5y ago
Oh you are right, for some reasons i read this as "May 6".. indeed, 6 days seems rushed
TameAntelope 5y ago
I think it's a very reasonable consequence for voting in a dictator and a mass murderer.
- ElCapitanMarkla 5y ago
  Did they really vote him in though? If anyone was going to rig and election…
  - cutemonster 5y ago
    No they didn't. He stayed in power via manipulation and assassinations and things like that. Cannot blame the people. (Well, a few, but in general.) Stalin also wasn't the people's fault. There's been some estimates of how many votes Putin would get, if there were real elections, no vote fraud, no threats, opposition politicians hadn't been killed or imprisoned, everyone got to vote, didn't get bribed to vote on Putin -- and then from what I read, a large majority would vote against him.
    - goto11 5y ago
      Putins approval rating is around 70% (measured before the Ukraine invasion). His highest approval rating was about 88% back when Crimea was annexed. So he has broad public support and the population seem to be largely in favor of the expansionist policies, at least until now.
      - v0id24 5y ago
        these are official government statistics, am I right?
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    By all accounts, he didn’t need to, but this goes so much further than just Putin. Local elections exist, they have a bicameral legislative body that approved this invasion, they originally approved the authoritarian constitution that allowed this to happen, they continue to prop up strong men in their culture and in their government. This is a continuous choice by the Russian people to support men like Putin and Yeltsin, and it has massive negative consequences for the rest of the world. Of course it makes sense to make it marginally harder to register and maintain a domain on the Internet as a result. If that’s the price a small handful of Russians have to pay for all of this, they should be infinitely grateful.
    - goldsteinq 5y ago
      As an independent observer on the last Duma (lower house of Russian parliament) elections, I can tell with certainty that these elections were rigged. Upper house of the parliament is not elected.
      - TameAntelope 5y ago
        If Russian elections are not free and fair (which they likely aren't), and the Russian people are not revolting or leaving, they are complicit in the outcomes anyway.
        goldsteinq 5y ago
        How exactly you see a revolution of unarmed people against fully armed people that have no problem with hurting and killing others? Do you really think that average Russian has enough money to leave the country?
        TameAntelope 5y ago
        Not well! But the alternative is to let Putin kill and threaten people on your behalf, so that's not going well either. No good options here, but at least if you revolt or leave, he's not doing those things with your endorsement. "It's hard!" is not an excuse to tolerate war crimes. And yes, I really think the average Russian has enough resources to leave the country, because you need zero resources to stand up from your chair and walk in a direction. If you're stopped, that's not your fault, you're actively trying.
- Moru 5y ago
  It's increddibly shortsighted, It's cutting out people that is trying to fight with true information, leaving the propaganda unquestioned. This is why we won't cut internet to russia.
- DeWilde 5y ago
  Here's an analogy, most people here are allergic to Trump. It would be the same to have blocked US people because Trump got elected.
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    Completely understandable, from my perspective. US citizens have a lot to answer for, just like Russian citizens, and should be held to account for their leadership choices.
    - blep-arsh 5y ago
      They won't be, though, even if we assume they should be. "Holding Russian people to account", on the other hand, is emotionally easy and relatively consequence-free.
    - tremon 5y ago
      Careful with that, this justification was also used for the attack on the Twin Towers.
      - TameAntelope 5y ago
        Yeah because dropping someone from your DNS registrar is the same thing as 9/11… What a horrific and insensitive comment. Christ…
  - FeepingCreature 5y ago
    It would be the same to have blocked US people because Bush started an invasion that would cause hundreds of thousands to die. And I think that would be valid, certainly morally if not strategically.
- catwarrior 5y ago
  I never voted for Putin and pretty sure that most of the Russian Namecheap clients never did. Namecheap was a safe harbour because the domain could be seized by the Russian authorities, and now it's act of betrayal of the loyal customers who payed many years in times when they needed them most. I've already received the emails from Russian registrars promising the discount, so this money would go to Russian companies. It's like ordering a taxi drive because of some urgent needs, paying in advance, and then the car stops in Mulholland Drive way and they declare you should call another taxi company within several minutes because you are Russian and the driver is Ukrainian.
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    This makes perfect sense to me; if you are Russian, you should be held accountable for your leadership choices (you didn’t vote for him, but you love and support people and a system that did) and acquiescence to rule by a man who is clearly evil. I don’t think this is even close to the level of accountability necessary for the Russian people to see the gravity of their mistake. You deserve isolation, in my opinion, for your marginal part supporting a system of corruption and mass murder. Some very small amount of Ukranian blood is on your hands, and that means you pay this minor economic cost.
    - IiydAbITMvJkqKf 5y ago
      This is victim blaming on an unprecedented scale. The average russian has zero control over the actions of the dicatorship, and thus can't be held accountable. Collective punishment for the actions of few is always wrong, especially when the collective has no control over the situation. You are blaming an entire nation for the grave crime of being born in the wrong place. I have nothing but contempt for you.
      - TameAntelope 5y ago
        No, I am blaming an entire nation for the attempted murder of another nation. It’s naïve as hell to think the Russian people aren’t complicit in their government’s actions; Putin is not a dictator, and he is not the only evil actor in Russian government. Collective punishment for the actions of the collective is not wrong, but a great way of meting out justice to those who have acted morally wrong, as the Russian people have. You may have contempt for me, but I hold disgust and malice for the Russians here acting like they’re blameless for what’s happening in Ukraine; they’re just as proportionally responsible as Putin. He’s their leader, he’s their fault.
edgyquant 5y ago
Consequences for an authoritarian regime invading its neighbor aren’t suppose to be convenient.
- kweingar 5y ago
  Until very recently, rhetoric about sanctions was masked in polite fictions like "this is meant to target corrupt leaders" and "we fully support the people of the country in the struggle against their authoritarian leader," etc. It is alarming how quickly this has shifted to open acknowledgment: "yeah, these measures are meant to punish ordinary people until they sacrifice their lives for regime change." This has always been the subtext, but I haven't seen it wielded so freely like this. I wonder if this situation will change the framing of sanctions in other countries. Maybe we can stop pretending that sanctions aren't strictly meant to bend the population until they break.
  - Moru 5y ago
    There is a fine line between making it hurt for normal people and make the affirmation of Putins world view that they are under attack. People are already living with a lie their whole life, it doesn't help if we affirm this just when they start to see the light... Cutting of the people that is trying to get the truth to the population is very counter productive in this case.
    - cutemonster 5y ago
      And, People with internet domain names, tend to be younger, more against Putin already?
  - bungle 5y ago
    ”It is alarming how quickly this has shifted to open acknowledgment” The mask have been taken off. All we see is the cold face of war. Something like that said the president of Finland. And the diplomatic paths were tried for months already. We (the west) all know that sanctions are going to hit ordinary Russians, but also people outside the Russia. Nothing to compare with horrors in Ukraine. But it looks like we have currently no other option. Are we sliding to a new world war. That is what we try to avoid. We are already sending weapons but non-acting would seem we support the war Russia has started. Putin has went so far that it is unlikely that he will stop. We hope the change comes from the inside, and that he is stopped. I know, it is a naive thought. This is a lose-lose situation for everyone. At the same time we are in danger of escalating energy crisis, banking crisis and the climate change.

I disagree, 6 days is not enough time. Especially for people who are not tech savvy. Bad move.

Shadonototra 5y ago

Oh you are right, for some reasons i read this as "May 6".. indeed, 6 days seems rushed

TameAntelope 5y ago

I think it's a very reasonable consequence for voting in a dictator and a mass murderer.

ElCapitanMarkla 5y ago
Did they really vote him in though? If anyone was going to rig and election…
- cutemonster 5y ago
  No they didn't. He stayed in power via manipulation and assassinations and things like that. Cannot blame the people. (Well, a few, but in general.) Stalin also wasn't the people's fault. There's been some estimates of how many votes Putin would get, if there were real elections, no vote fraud, no threats, opposition politicians hadn't been killed or imprisoned, everyone got to vote, didn't get bribed to vote on Putin -- and then from what I read, a large majority would vote against him.
  - goto11 5y ago
    Putins approval rating is around 70% (measured before the Ukraine invasion). His highest approval rating was about 88% back when Crimea was annexed. So he has broad public support and the population seem to be largely in favor of the expansionist policies, at least until now.
    - v0id24 5y ago
      these are official government statistics, am I right?
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  By all accounts, he didn’t need to, but this goes so much further than just Putin. Local elections exist, they have a bicameral legislative body that approved this invasion, they originally approved the authoritarian constitution that allowed this to happen, they continue to prop up strong men in their culture and in their government. This is a continuous choice by the Russian people to support men like Putin and Yeltsin, and it has massive negative consequences for the rest of the world. Of course it makes sense to make it marginally harder to register and maintain a domain on the Internet as a result. If that’s the price a small handful of Russians have to pay for all of this, they should be infinitely grateful.
  - goldsteinq 5y ago
    As an independent observer on the last Duma (lower house of Russian parliament) elections, I can tell with certainty that these elections were rigged. Upper house of the parliament is not elected.
    - TameAntelope 5y ago
      If Russian elections are not free and fair (which they likely aren't), and the Russian people are not revolting or leaving, they are complicit in the outcomes anyway.
      - goldsteinq 5y ago
        How exactly you see a revolution of unarmed people against fully armed people that have no problem with hurting and killing others? Do you really think that average Russian has enough money to leave the country?
        TameAntelope 5y ago
        Not well! But the alternative is to let Putin kill and threaten people on your behalf, so that's not going well either. No good options here, but at least if you revolt or leave, he's not doing those things with your endorsement. "It's hard!" is not an excuse to tolerate war crimes. And yes, I really think the average Russian has enough resources to leave the country, because you need zero resources to stand up from your chair and walk in a direction. If you're stopped, that's not your fault, you're actively trying.
Moru 5y ago
It's increddibly shortsighted, It's cutting out people that is trying to fight with true information, leaving the propaganda unquestioned. This is why we won't cut internet to russia.
DeWilde 5y ago
Here's an analogy, most people here are allergic to Trump. It would be the same to have blocked US people because Trump got elected.
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  Completely understandable, from my perspective. US citizens have a lot to answer for, just like Russian citizens, and should be held to account for their leadership choices.
  - blep-arsh 5y ago
    They won't be, though, even if we assume they should be. "Holding Russian people to account", on the other hand, is emotionally easy and relatively consequence-free.
  - tremon 5y ago
    Careful with that, this justification was also used for the attack on the Twin Towers.
    - TameAntelope 5y ago
      Yeah because dropping someone from your DNS registrar is the same thing as 9/11… What a horrific and insensitive comment. Christ…
- FeepingCreature 5y ago
  It would be the same to have blocked US people because Bush started an invasion that would cause hundreds of thousands to die. And I think that would be valid, certainly morally if not strategically.
catwarrior 5y ago
I never voted for Putin and pretty sure that most of the Russian Namecheap clients never did. Namecheap was a safe harbour because the domain could be seized by the Russian authorities, and now it's act of betrayal of the loyal customers who payed many years in times when they needed them most. I've already received the emails from Russian registrars promising the discount, so this money would go to Russian companies. It's like ordering a taxi drive because of some urgent needs, paying in advance, and then the car stops in Mulholland Drive way and they declare you should call another taxi company within several minutes because you are Russian and the driver is Ukrainian.
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  This makes perfect sense to me; if you are Russian, you should be held accountable for your leadership choices (you didn’t vote for him, but you love and support people and a system that did) and acquiescence to rule by a man who is clearly evil. I don’t think this is even close to the level of accountability necessary for the Russian people to see the gravity of their mistake. You deserve isolation, in my opinion, for your marginal part supporting a system of corruption and mass murder. Some very small amount of Ukranian blood is on your hands, and that means you pay this minor economic cost.
  - IiydAbITMvJkqKf 5y ago
    This is victim blaming on an unprecedented scale. The average russian has zero control over the actions of the dicatorship, and thus can't be held accountable. Collective punishment for the actions of few is always wrong, especially when the collective has no control over the situation. You are blaming an entire nation for the grave crime of being born in the wrong place. I have nothing but contempt for you.
    - TameAntelope 5y ago
      No, I am blaming an entire nation for the attempted murder of another nation. It’s naïve as hell to think the Russian people aren’t complicit in their government’s actions; Putin is not a dictator, and he is not the only evil actor in Russian government. Collective punishment for the actions of the collective is not wrong, but a great way of meting out justice to those who have acted morally wrong, as the Russian people have. You may have contempt for me, but I hold disgust and malice for the Russians here acting like they’re blameless for what’s happening in Ukraine; they’re just as proportionally responsible as Putin. He’s their leader, he’s their fault.

edgyquant 5y ago

Consequences for an authoritarian regime invading its neighbor aren’t suppose to be convenient.

kweingar 5y ago
Until very recently, rhetoric about sanctions was masked in polite fictions like "this is meant to target corrupt leaders" and "we fully support the people of the country in the struggle against their authoritarian leader," etc. It is alarming how quickly this has shifted to open acknowledgment: "yeah, these measures are meant to punish ordinary people until they sacrifice their lives for regime change." This has always been the subtext, but I haven't seen it wielded so freely like this. I wonder if this situation will change the framing of sanctions in other countries. Maybe we can stop pretending that sanctions aren't strictly meant to bend the population until they break.
- Moru 5y ago
  There is a fine line between making it hurt for normal people and make the affirmation of Putins world view that they are under attack. People are already living with a lie their whole life, it doesn't help if we affirm this just when they start to see the light... Cutting of the people that is trying to get the truth to the population is very counter productive in this case.
  - cutemonster 5y ago
    And, People with internet domain names, tend to be younger, more against Putin already?
- bungle 5y ago
  ”It is alarming how quickly this has shifted to open acknowledgment” The mask have been taken off. All we see is the cold face of war. Something like that said the president of Finland. And the diplomatic paths were tried for months already. We (the west) all know that sanctions are going to hit ordinary Russians, but also people outside the Russia. Nothing to compare with horrors in Ukraine. But it looks like we have currently no other option. Are we sliding to a new world war. That is what we try to avoid. We are already sending weapons but non-acting would seem we support the war Russia has started. Putin has went so far that it is unlikely that he will stop. We hope the change comes from the inside, and that he is stopped. I know, it is a naive thought. This is a lose-lose situation for everyone. At the same time we are in danger of escalating energy crisis, banking crisis and the climate change.