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Dude, right now all of us are in deep shock, while: - some are trying to find their relatives in Ukraine - some are coordinating and volunteering - some are

by _vtoj 5y ago

Dude, right now all of us are in deep shock, while: - some are trying to find their relatives in Ukraine - some are coordinating and volunteering - some are trying to get themselves and their families outside of Russia (which gets harder by the minute because of prices and sanctions) - some are trying to smuggle at least some of the money outside, because their entire life savings are now blocked - some are trying to preserve what they have despite ruble and market crashing - some are hunkering down with what they have and their loved ones, trying to stockpile some food before prices skyrocket and no one has any time to cope and process anything - don't forget usual workloads, too. planning for a week feels like it's already a strategic, not a tactical scope I get what you're trying to do, but can't you at least give more time for everyone? Right now I need to drop everything and migrate my DNS as well because my private email that I use for docs will stop working in 6 days. And to figure out how to pay the transfer fees while doing all that. It's very much fucking stressful already. edit: I've worded that badly - I'm not complaining, I'm just asking for a bit longer grace period for everyone. It's very easy to miss an email for 6 days during these times. All of these issues are obviously dwarfed by what Ukrainian people are going through right now.

NamecheapCEO 5y ago
We will give you more time to move, please reach out to our support and they will take care if it.
- MarcoZavala 5y ago
- _-david-_ 5y ago
  Are you giving more time to everybody or just the people who complain?
  - shaky-carrousel 5y ago
    Just the people who complain, which seems reasonable. Quoting the GP: "If more grace time is necessary for some to move, we will provide it."
  - Shadonototra 5y ago
    it already mentions "by march 6", i think it's enough time
    - CamelCaseName 5y ago
      I disagree, 6 days is not enough time. Especially for people who are not tech savvy. Bad move.
      - Shadonototra 5y ago
        Oh you are right, for some reasons i read this as "May 6".. indeed, 6 days seems rushed
      - TameAntelope 5y ago
        I think it's a very reasonable consequence for voting in a dictator and a mass murderer.
        ElCapitanMarkla 5y ago
        Did they really vote him in though? If anyone was going to rig and election…
        cutemonster 5y ago
        No they didn't. He stayed in power via manipulation and assassinations and things like that. Cannot blame the people. (Well, a few, but in general.) Stalin also wasn't the people's fault. There's been some estimates of how many votes Putin would get, if there were real elections, no vote fraud, no threats, opposition politicians hadn't been killed or imprisoned, everyone got to vote, didn't get bribed to vote on Putin -- and then from what I read, a large majority would vote against him.
        goto11 5y ago
        Putins approval rating is around 70% (measured before the Ukraine invasion). His highest approval rating was about 88% back when Crimea was annexed. So he has broad public support and the population seem to be largely in favor of the expansionist policies, at least until now.
  - nojonestownpls 5y ago
    It's the standard PR appeasement of companies - complain loudly in a place others might see, and we shall see to your needs. Thousands of others who might also be suffering and don't have the means to do so or don't know that this is how it works - well, too bad.
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titanomachy 5y ago
I just want to point out that this is the first time I've read a Russian resident's perspective on what's happening right now. The overall picture I get in Western media is that Russians are being dragged into this against their will by Putin. People have started calling for sanctions on certain regime members and supporters, but have so far avoided more broadly demonizing the Russian populace. I hope it stays that way. Good luck.
- steve_adams_86 5y ago
  My understanding is that older Russians tend to be more supportive of the war. Not only do they more broadly believe Ukraine isn’t a legitimate country independent of Russia, they’re also more likely to perceive threats from the west and the potential for Ukraine to become a contributor to the threat very quickly. They’ve witnessed conflicts materializing very quickly in the past, and they’re aware it could happen again. Ukraine has dramatically improved their military training, equipment, and size since Crimea. Given that alone it’s clear to see how many Russians might see Ukraine as a threat with their non-NATO status and demilitarization not being guaranteed. Having said that, it seems Putin has been trying to encourage acceptance of war in Russia for months because evidently there isn’t a broad enough acceptance as it is. At least from the government’s perspective, as they’ve been planning this war for quite a while. I believe the necessity of the war from their perspective came sooner than expected, otherwise they likely would have been seeding the idea of the need for war much earlier. I’m not sure. So there are certainly a lot of Russian people who believe the war is justified. I’m not sure what the ratios of for/neutral/against are, but I suspect they’re not especially lopsided. Unfortunately. It doesn’t seem there’s significant reason to believe Putin will back down, or that Russian people will force him to.
  - kirso 5y ago
    The whole country premise is based on war. Unfortunately the world only became global in the past 2 decades which means a lot of Russians (despite being kind) still haven't gotten up to speed on all available information including the propaganda they have been subjected. I was born in Russia and emigrated in 1999. Till then, I only heard about the glory days of USSR and how we liberated the world of evil. I moved to Czech Republic and went straight to school. Little did I know that Russia has a bad rep by being an occupant as well as textbooks describing completely different picture of the world. Including the facts of red army raping everything in their way to Berlin's parliament building. If you would have grown up subject to propaganda for more than 30 years, you would probably turn out in a similar way. Asking a person to think independently without expanding their peripheral brain thinking is super hard and almost impossible IMO. Curious if there are any scientific studies how to do it. I am not defending people for "not-knowing" just trying to paint the picture of how it was living and growing up there compared to the rest of the world. All my friends who left Russia are against the war. Unfortunately the divide is also growing in Russia and I had to forgo several people I knew from childhood because they are adamant on war being justified and I am sure I am not the only one. Years of brainwashing... also partially the reason why people haven't revolted already.
abduhl 5y ago
- dang 5y ago
  Personal attacks will get you banned here. No more of this, please, no matter how right you are or feel you are. Attacking individuals personally is no way to express your feelings about this situation. Everyone with any connection to it is in a high emotional state right now. Having HN community members get aggressive with their fellow community members only makes things worse. Nationalistic attacks aren't allowed either, and you crossed that line too. We're not practicing collective punishment here, as long as I have anything to say about this place. I know it's hard to stay tolerant in the presence of strong feelings, but that's what commenters here are asked to do—and if anyone can't do it, they should refrain from posting until they can. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
kordlessagain 5y ago
When your country is attacking another country, asking for empathy is best done by relating what YOU are going through, personally, as opposed to telling stories for others. I suppose that's somewhat metaphoric for the philosophical differences in how authoritarian rule manifests vs. whatever it is we call it in the West. I have empathy for everyone in Russia who is going through hardship during this time.
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- desireco42 5y ago
  This is surprisingly healthy view, you are probably (sorry for labeling you) not watching main stream media and get your news from more independent sources?
- _vtoj 5y ago
  yes and no - I wasn't going for the empathy here. silently losing your email address because you've missed one email in that rush sounds very very bad, esp if you're waiting for some important documents that can make or break your life/immigration/whatever.
justsomehnguy 5y ago
IgorPartola 5y ago
Are you really honestly shocked? Has the news in Russia been completely opaque to the preparation to this invasion? It seems like everyone else has known about it for months.
- philistine 5y ago
  They posted on HN. Means they must read it. HN was surfacing news about the buildup for months. They knew.
  - ivan_gammel 5y ago
    No, they did not. Nobody did actually expect invasion in Russia. Neither civilians, nor army. Putins orders came as a total surprise, he was not expected to cross the border. At worst everybody was thinking about new escalation in Donbas. The military buildup was considered a strategic negotiation game.
    - otterley 5y ago
      Meanwhile, here in the U.S., in the weeks leading up to the invasion, our Government was holding routine press conferences showing exactly where Russian forces were gathering and the threatening posture they comprised as they encircled Ukraine from three sides. Combine that with Putin’s and his foreign minister’s unrealistic demands, and the writing was on the wall. If the Russian people didn’t get the same information, that would certainly explain their surprise.
      - ivan_gammel 5y ago
        The same information was available in Russia, just different conclusions were made. Every political analyst focusing on Russian foreign policy is throwing away now years of their publications and research, because they based them on a wrong assumption (the one that Biden administration did not have - that Putin is rational).
- collaborative 5y ago
lhorie 5y ago
It's heart breaking to hear about people getting their lives turned upside down on both sides because a political elite on one side decided to forcefully take everyone on a horror-themed joy ride. I see many stories of people mobilizing to help Ukrainian refugees however they can and those are great; I hope those of you getting caught in the chaos on the russian side can also find compassion from someone, in what I imagine is just the start of these coarse collateral-damage-prone punishment-minded moves (well intentioned as they may be).
baybal2 5y ago
dkuznetsov 5y ago
It's hard for me to send my sympathies to you - my relatives are either hiding in bomb shelters, or fighting your countrymen in the east and in the south. They are all Russian speaking people who hate Russia and everything Russia stands for with passion these days. Anyway, please accept my sympathies, and find strength in yourself to do more.
MarvinYork 5y ago
Call on your government to end the war. Immediately. That seems much easier than working down your list, because it will grow longer with each day of this invasion.
- renewiltord 5y ago
  I can't even call on my government to fix a pothole and this guy has to convince his dictator to let go? I'm pro-siege, because I see Russian activists as collateral damage to stopping the machine, but it's not their individual fault they can't overthrow an authoritarian government.
- cutemonster 5y ago
  It's not a government, it's a dictatorship, and if you protest or call it a war you can disappear in prison; I just read that Putin has a 15 years punishment in mind. You might as well say "just assassinate Putin, it's much easier". But agreed that figuring out something to do would be good
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > It's not a government, it's a dictatorship, Dictatorship is a form of government.
  - aeyes 5y ago
    About two million people on the streets of Moscow should be enough for authorities to stop arresting people. Or how do you think Germany was reunited [1]? It is sickening to see people afraid of their government, the entity which exists to care for them and protect them. Economic sanctions hitting the small man might be the best chance you'll get to see that happening. The only question is how much military support the government really has, lucky for us the USSR was busy collapsing so that gave a window of opportunity. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monday_demonstrations_in_East_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monday_demonstrations_in_East_...
    - goldsteinq 5y ago
pastacacioepepe 5y ago
goto11 5y ago
The entire purpose of the sanctions is to make life difficult for Russians. Do you find this unfair? Then tell me the alternative. The West have tried appeasing Putin, but clearly he is not going to stop, ever. This very moment the Russians are closing in on Kyev, ready for the slaughter. While Russians are scrambling to save their money, Ukrainians are scrambling to save the lives of their loved ones. Should the West use weapons instead of economic sanctions? This would be third world war, probably the end of Russia but more likely the end of the world. So tell us what we should do instead of sanctions?
- fmcoder 5y ago
- SerLava 5y ago
  The express claim was that "sanctions will not be targeted at everyday Russian people, only the oligarchs" This shit isn't even targeted at the oligarchs, only Russian people
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  - goto11 5y ago
    Surely nobody promised you that sanctions would not have any ill effects on the general population? There is no way to seize Putins war chest directly, so the purpose of the sanctions is to hit him and his power structure indirectly through the entire Russian economy and society. It is an extremely crude weapon and hits Putin critics just as hard as Putin supporters, and as always the weakest suffers the most. But what is the alternative? Doing nothing or just applying mild sanctions have been tried - it just embolded Russia and let to current murder of Ukraine. Do you have a better idea?
NoImmatureAdHom 5y ago
What you all need to do is depose Putin.
Liman_Albridge 5y ago
dobrinya 5y ago
Yeah right. So atm I'm sitting in Kyiv centre, central traint station was bombed in the night. Babyn Yar, Holocause memorial was bombed yesterday - it was a try to destroy tv broadcasting tower. I'm so not fucking sorry for your shitty incovinience. I managed to get wife and kids out of country. And five more women with children to Poland. All of that under bombings. Go fuck yourself, I don't remember that ukrainians were given time.

by _vtoj 5y ago

NamecheapCEO 5y ago

We will give you more time to move, please reach out to our support and they will take care if it.

MarcoZavala 5y ago
_-david-_ 5y ago
Are you giving more time to everybody or just the people who complain?
- shaky-carrousel 5y ago
  Just the people who complain, which seems reasonable. Quoting the GP: "If more grace time is necessary for some to move, we will provide it."
- Shadonototra 5y ago
  it already mentions "by march 6", i think it's enough time
  - CamelCaseName 5y ago
    I disagree, 6 days is not enough time. Especially for people who are not tech savvy. Bad move.
    - Shadonototra 5y ago
      Oh you are right, for some reasons i read this as "May 6".. indeed, 6 days seems rushed
    - TameAntelope 5y ago
      I think it's a very reasonable consequence for voting in a dictator and a mass murderer.
      - ElCapitanMarkla 5y ago
        Did they really vote him in though? If anyone was going to rig and election…
        cutemonster 5y ago
        No they didn't. He stayed in power via manipulation and assassinations and things like that. Cannot blame the people. (Well, a few, but in general.) Stalin also wasn't the people's fault. There's been some estimates of how many votes Putin would get, if there were real elections, no vote fraud, no threats, opposition politicians hadn't been killed or imprisoned, everyone got to vote, didn't get bribed to vote on Putin -- and then from what I read, a large majority would vote against him.
        goto11 5y ago
        Putins approval rating is around 70% (measured before the Ukraine invasion). His highest approval rating was about 88% back when Crimea was annexed. So he has broad public support and the population seem to be largely in favor of the expansionist policies, at least until now.
- nojonestownpls 5y ago
  It's the standard PR appeasement of companies - complain loudly in a place others might see, and we shall see to your needs. Thousands of others who might also be suffering and don't have the means to do so or don't know that this is how it works - well, too bad.

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titanomachy 5y ago

I just want to point out that this is the first time I've read a Russian resident's perspective on what's happening right now. The overall picture I get in Western media is that Russians are being dragged into this against their will by Putin. People have started calling for sanctions on certain regime members and supporters, but have so far avoided more broadly demonizing the Russian populace. I hope it stays that way. Good luck.

steve_adams_86 5y ago
My understanding is that older Russians tend to be more supportive of the war. Not only do they more broadly believe Ukraine isn’t a legitimate country independent of Russia, they’re also more likely to perceive threats from the west and the potential for Ukraine to become a contributor to the threat very quickly. They’ve witnessed conflicts materializing very quickly in the past, and they’re aware it could happen again. Ukraine has dramatically improved their military training, equipment, and size since Crimea. Given that alone it’s clear to see how many Russians might see Ukraine as a threat with their non-NATO status and demilitarization not being guaranteed. Having said that, it seems Putin has been trying to encourage acceptance of war in Russia for months because evidently there isn’t a broad enough acceptance as it is. At least from the government’s perspective, as they’ve been planning this war for quite a while. I believe the necessity of the war from their perspective came sooner than expected, otherwise they likely would have been seeding the idea of the need for war much earlier. I’m not sure. So there are certainly a lot of Russian people who believe the war is justified. I’m not sure what the ratios of for/neutral/against are, but I suspect they’re not especially lopsided. Unfortunately. It doesn’t seem there’s significant reason to believe Putin will back down, or that Russian people will force him to.
- kirso 5y ago
  The whole country premise is based on war. Unfortunately the world only became global in the past 2 decades which means a lot of Russians (despite being kind) still haven't gotten up to speed on all available information including the propaganda they have been subjected. I was born in Russia and emigrated in 1999. Till then, I only heard about the glory days of USSR and how we liberated the world of evil. I moved to Czech Republic and went straight to school. Little did I know that Russia has a bad rep by being an occupant as well as textbooks describing completely different picture of the world. Including the facts of red army raping everything in their way to Berlin's parliament building. If you would have grown up subject to propaganda for more than 30 years, you would probably turn out in a similar way. Asking a person to think independently without expanding their peripheral brain thinking is super hard and almost impossible IMO. Curious if there are any scientific studies how to do it. I am not defending people for "not-knowing" just trying to paint the picture of how it was living and growing up there compared to the rest of the world. All my friends who left Russia are against the war. Unfortunately the divide is also growing in Russia and I had to forgo several people I knew from childhood because they are adamant on war being justified and I am sure I am not the only one. Years of brainwashing... also partially the reason why people haven't revolted already.

abduhl 5y ago

dang 5y ago
Personal attacks will get you banned here. No more of this, please, no matter how right you are or feel you are. Attacking individuals personally is no way to express your feelings about this situation. Everyone with any connection to it is in a high emotional state right now. Having HN community members get aggressive with their fellow community members only makes things worse. Nationalistic attacks aren't allowed either, and you crossed that line too. We're not practicing collective punishment here, as long as I have anything to say about this place. I know it's hard to stay tolerant in the presence of strong feelings, but that's what commenters here are asked to do—and if anyone can't do it, they should refrain from posting until they can. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

kordlessagain 5y ago

When your country is attacking another country, asking for empathy is best done by relating what YOU are going through, personally, as opposed to telling stories for others. I suppose that's somewhat metaphoric for the philosophical differences in how authoritarian rule manifests vs. whatever it is we call it in the West. I have empathy for everyone in Russia who is going through hardship during this time.

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desireco42 5y ago
This is surprisingly healthy view, you are probably (sorry for labeling you) not watching main stream media and get your news from more independent sources?
_vtoj 5y ago
yes and no - I wasn't going for the empathy here. silently losing your email address because you've missed one email in that rush sounds very very bad, esp if you're waiting for some important documents that can make or break your life/immigration/whatever.

justsomehnguy 5y ago

IgorPartola 5y ago

Are you really honestly shocked? Has the news in Russia been completely opaque to the preparation to this invasion? It seems like everyone else has known about it for months.

philistine 5y ago
They posted on HN. Means they must read it. HN was surfacing news about the buildup for months. They knew.
- ivan_gammel 5y ago
  No, they did not. Nobody did actually expect invasion in Russia. Neither civilians, nor army. Putins orders came as a total surprise, he was not expected to cross the border. At worst everybody was thinking about new escalation in Donbas. The military buildup was considered a strategic negotiation game.
  - otterley 5y ago
    Meanwhile, here in the U.S., in the weeks leading up to the invasion, our Government was holding routine press conferences showing exactly where Russian forces were gathering and the threatening posture they comprised as they encircled Ukraine from three sides. Combine that with Putin’s and his foreign minister’s unrealistic demands, and the writing was on the wall. If the Russian people didn’t get the same information, that would certainly explain their surprise.
    - ivan_gammel 5y ago
      The same information was available in Russia, just different conclusions were made. Every political analyst focusing on Russian foreign policy is throwing away now years of their publications and research, because they based them on a wrong assumption (the one that Biden administration did not have - that Putin is rational).
collaborative 5y ago

lhorie 5y ago

It's heart breaking to hear about people getting their lives turned upside down on both sides because a political elite on one side decided to forcefully take everyone on a horror-themed joy ride. I see many stories of people mobilizing to help Ukrainian refugees however they can and those are great; I hope those of you getting caught in the chaos on the russian side can also find compassion from someone, in what I imagine is just the start of these coarse collateral-damage-prone punishment-minded moves (well intentioned as they may be).

baybal2 5y ago

dkuznetsov 5y ago

It's hard for me to send my sympathies to you - my relatives are either hiding in bomb shelters, or fighting your countrymen in the east and in the south. They are all Russian speaking people who hate Russia and everything Russia stands for with passion these days. Anyway, please accept my sympathies, and find strength in yourself to do more.

MarvinYork 5y ago

Call on your government to end the war. Immediately. That seems much easier than working down your list, because it will grow longer with each day of this invasion.

renewiltord 5y ago
I can't even call on my government to fix a pothole and this guy has to convince his dictator to let go? I'm pro-siege, because I see Russian activists as collateral damage to stopping the machine, but it's not their individual fault they can't overthrow an authoritarian government.
cutemonster 5y ago
It's not a government, it's a dictatorship, and if you protest or call it a war you can disappear in prison; I just read that Putin has a 15 years punishment in mind. You might as well say "just assassinate Putin, it's much easier". But agreed that figuring out something to do would be good
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > It's not a government, it's a dictatorship, Dictatorship is a form of government.
- aeyes 5y ago
  About two million people on the streets of Moscow should be enough for authorities to stop arresting people. Or how do you think Germany was reunited [1]? It is sickening to see people afraid of their government, the entity which exists to care for them and protect them. Economic sanctions hitting the small man might be the best chance you'll get to see that happening. The only question is how much military support the government really has, lucky for us the USSR was busy collapsing so that gave a window of opportunity. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monday_demonstrations_in_East_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monday_demonstrations_in_East_...
  - goldsteinq 5y ago

pastacacioepepe 5y ago

goto11 5y ago

The entire purpose of the sanctions is to make life difficult for Russians. Do you find this unfair? Then tell me the alternative. The West have tried appeasing Putin, but clearly he is not going to stop, ever. This very moment the Russians are closing in on Kyev, ready for the slaughter. While Russians are scrambling to save their money, Ukrainians are scrambling to save the lives of their loved ones. Should the West use weapons instead of economic sanctions? This would be third world war, probably the end of Russia but more likely the end of the world. So tell us what we should do instead of sanctions?

fmcoder 5y ago
SerLava 5y ago
The express claim was that "sanctions will not be targeted at everyday Russian people, only the oligarchs" This shit isn't even targeted at the oligarchs, only Russian people
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- goto11 5y ago
  Surely nobody promised you that sanctions would not have any ill effects on the general population? There is no way to seize Putins war chest directly, so the purpose of the sanctions is to hit him and his power structure indirectly through the entire Russian economy and society. It is an extremely crude weapon and hits Putin critics just as hard as Putin supporters, and as always the weakest suffers the most. But what is the alternative? Doing nothing or just applying mild sanctions have been tried - it just embolded Russia and let to current murder of Ukraine. Do you have a better idea?

NoImmatureAdHom 5y ago

What you all need to do is depose Putin.

Liman_Albridge 5y ago

dobrinya 5y ago

Yeah right. So atm I'm sitting in Kyiv centre, central traint station was bombed in the night. Babyn Yar, Holocause memorial was bombed yesterday - it was a try to destroy tv broadcasting tower. I'm so not fucking sorry for your shitty incovinience. I managed to get wife and kids out of country. And five more women with children to Poland. All of that under bombings. Go fuck yourself, I don't remember that ukrainians were given time.