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I don't think there's anyone on the planet that doesn't understand that the aim here is to put Ukraine under effective Russian control. But the article is inter

I don't think there's anyone on the planet that doesn't understand that the aim here is to put Ukraine under effective Russian control. But the article is interesting for a number of other reasons.

jevgeni 5y ago
The goal is the destruction of the Ukrainian identity as a whole and instead replace it with "small Russians". It's purebred nazism.
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- jacquesm 5y ago
  Within the USSR that is exactly what they tried to achieve, including forced relocations of millions of people.
jollybean 5y ago
"I don't think there's anyone on the planet that doesn't understand that the aim here is to put Ukraine under effective Russian control" Oh no - people really do believe the propaganda. Russian citizens are told that Zelensky regime are 'Nazis and drug addicts' and the the population hates them. The Russian propaganda narrative has many, many believers around the world, and it has partial momentum in America. Certain elements of the right have very cynically been using it as wedge issue - notable Tucker Carlson. I don't think he really believes what he was saying about Russia, he's just a liar in it for the money (of course, everyone in the press is playing a game, but he takes it a notch higher than even his Fox or even MSNBC colleagues). While nobody in the press actually believes it, it does have an affect as those talking heads are all quite influential. On comments section in YouTube and TikTok I see regular plebes from around the world making the 'NATO/border security' case etc., I think unwittingly rehashing the canard arguments of Putin. Not necessarily taking their side but rather rehashing the false justification.
- sidibe 5y ago
  I don't think Russians are by and large buying this propaganda. They still fear the Kremlin but don't believe it. From what I've seen in various unrelated forums, Chinese people online are much more believing of Putin than Russians
  - jollybean 5y ago
    Putin has 69% approval, 50% blame 'NATO' for this issue and 5% think Russia is the cause. It's literally an invasion and they don't realize it. Putin is using the term 'limited military operation' to 'liberate Ukraine' effectively from a 'Nazi, drug addict corrupt leadership' - and they buy it. It's the only source of information they have. It's really easy to mislead people if you can control they information they receive. I don't think Russians quite support the 'incursion' but they'd be fine with the outcome, and probably wouldn't think of the puppet/client state leader as being subjugated. Putin murders his political opponents and journalists, but because he can't be implicated or investigated, the citizenry just goes on roughly believing the propaganda at least to a certain degree. Regular people don't have the time to parse through this complex world. 'Good' news is so important.
  - muzika 5y ago
    Unfortunately many (most?) Russians ARE believing it.
- orwin 5y ago
  I do not understand the "nazi" qualifier. Isn't Zelenskyy a Jew? And also pro bilingual country? I guess Zelenskyy's election was a blow to Russian propaganda, but they didn't even try to change their narrative? Just added drug addict? I wouldv'e said he is a drug addicted puppet with no political experience and money in UK's fiscal heaven. But nazi? That doesn't seems right. Hopefully it doesn't end like Makhnov did. "History doesn't repeat itself, but sometime it rhyme" (Mark Twain i guess?)
  - vanusa 5y ago
    I do not understand the "nazi" qualifier. It's an emotional/rhetorical ploy -- an appeal to WW2-era patriotism, and the relative sense of greatness and prosperity that flourished in the SU after the sacrifices made in that war, specifically. It's not supposed to be rational or correct or make any other kind of sense.

I don't think there's anyone on the planet that doesn't understand that the aim here is to put Ukraine under effective Russian control. But the article is interesting for a number of other reasons.

jevgeni 5y ago

The goal is the destruction of the Ukrainian identity as a whole and instead replace it with "small Russians". It's purebred nazism.

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jacquesm 5y ago
Within the USSR that is exactly what they tried to achieve, including forced relocations of millions of people.

jollybean 5y ago

"I don't think there's anyone on the planet that doesn't understand that the aim here is to put Ukraine under effective Russian control" Oh no - people really do believe the propaganda. Russian citizens are told that Zelensky regime are 'Nazis and drug addicts' and the the population hates them. The Russian propaganda narrative has many, many believers around the world, and it has partial momentum in America. Certain elements of the right have very cynically been using it as wedge issue - notable Tucker Carlson. I don't think he really believes what he was saying about Russia, he's just a liar in it for the money (of course, everyone in the press is playing a game, but he takes it a notch higher than even his Fox or even MSNBC colleagues). While nobody in the press actually believes it, it does have an affect as those talking heads are all quite influential. On comments section in YouTube and TikTok I see regular plebes from around the world making the 'NATO/border security' case etc., I think unwittingly rehashing the canard arguments of Putin. Not necessarily taking their side but rather rehashing the false justification.

sidibe 5y ago
I don't think Russians are by and large buying this propaganda. They still fear the Kremlin but don't believe it. From what I've seen in various unrelated forums, Chinese people online are much more believing of Putin than Russians
- jollybean 5y ago
  Putin has 69% approval, 50% blame 'NATO' for this issue and 5% think Russia is the cause. It's literally an invasion and they don't realize it. Putin is using the term 'limited military operation' to 'liberate Ukraine' effectively from a 'Nazi, drug addict corrupt leadership' - and they buy it. It's the only source of information they have. It's really easy to mislead people if you can control they information they receive. I don't think Russians quite support the 'incursion' but they'd be fine with the outcome, and probably wouldn't think of the puppet/client state leader as being subjugated. Putin murders his political opponents and journalists, but because he can't be implicated or investigated, the citizenry just goes on roughly believing the propaganda at least to a certain degree. Regular people don't have the time to parse through this complex world. 'Good' news is so important.
- muzika 5y ago
  Unfortunately many (most?) Russians ARE believing it.
orwin 5y ago
I do not understand the "nazi" qualifier. Isn't Zelenskyy a Jew? And also pro bilingual country? I guess Zelenskyy's election was a blow to Russian propaganda, but they didn't even try to change their narrative? Just added drug addict? I wouldv'e said he is a drug addicted puppet with no political experience and money in UK's fiscal heaven. But nazi? That doesn't seems right. Hopefully it doesn't end like Makhnov did. "History doesn't repeat itself, but sometime it rhyme" (Mark Twain i guess?)
- vanusa 5y ago
  I do not understand the "nazi" qualifier. It's an emotional/rhetorical ploy -- an appeal to WW2-era patriotism, and the relative sense of greatness and prosperity that flourished in the SU after the sacrifices made in that war, specifically. It's not supposed to be rational or correct or make any other kind of sense.