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nobody is helping ukraine with any military so far. nor NATO nor any other allies. it is sad, but whole ukraine can fall within days.

paxys 5y ago
Nobody is helping ukraine with any military, period. There is zero appetite for yet another military conflict in any western country, especially not with a country armed with nukes and with a madman's hand on the trigger. The response will just be yet more sanctions. If Russia provokes a NATO member then it's time to invest in those doomsday bunkers.
- neilwilson 5y ago
  Sanctions can do nothing to affect Russia. The belief in them is beyond stupid. It's like washing your hands in the face of an airborne virus.
- BasDirks 5y ago
  > Nobody is helping ukraine with any military, period. This is not true.
  - catlikesshrimp 5y ago
    Reference?
freeflight 5y ago
> but whole ukraine can fall within days I'd be very surprised if this extends too far past separatists territories.
- donutmonger 5y ago
  Haven't there already been attacks way outside of the separatist territories?
  - CameronNemo 5y ago
    Yes this article notes there was shelling in Kyiv and Russian troops on the Southern border.
  - moonbas3 5y ago
    Those are on military bases.
    - clusterfish 5y ago
      So? What else are you gonna shell first when invading a country?
  - int_19h 5y ago
    The separatist republics have constitutions that proclaim their borders as matching the corresponding regional borders they had in Ukraine, even though their de facto area of control is less than 1/3 of that. Putin claimed that his recognition of them includes that definition of their border. So Russia can push all the way to the regional border while still claiming that it's "protecting DPR and LPR".
  - noitpmeder 5y ago
    You are correct! However (from my POV) this was done with the intent of disabling any possibility of a counterattack or serious resistance. Russia's ability seize it's desired positions is significantly greater if Ukraine has no functioning airforce or military infrastructure. While this _does_ make it easier for Russia to invade the rest of Ukraine (again, because of a lack of military infrastructure) I still think it is a stretch that they will go for a full-country occupation. While this is not exactly a parallel, think back to Operation Desert Storm. The US-supported coalition had no intent of occupying Iraq, but it's push into Kuwait was made _significantly_ easier after they completely annihilated a significant portion of Iraq's military structure (inside and outside of Kuwait).
    - neilwilson 5y ago
      I hope you're right. If Putin pushes further then we'll know he's gone completely mad.
- pgodzin 5y ago
  we're already past that point
- heartbreak 5y ago
  Have you checked the news today?

paxys 5y ago

Nobody is helping ukraine with any military, period. There is zero appetite for yet another military conflict in any western country, especially not with a country armed with nukes and with a madman's hand on the trigger. The response will just be yet more sanctions. If Russia provokes a NATO member then it's time to invest in those doomsday bunkers.

neilwilson 5y ago
Sanctions can do nothing to affect Russia. The belief in them is beyond stupid. It's like washing your hands in the face of an airborne virus.
BasDirks 5y ago
> Nobody is helping ukraine with any military, period. This is not true.
- catlikesshrimp 5y ago
  Reference?

freeflight 5y ago

> but whole ukraine can fall within days I'd be very surprised if this extends too far past separatists territories.

donutmonger 5y ago
Haven't there already been attacks way outside of the separatist territories?
- CameronNemo 5y ago
  Yes this article notes there was shelling in Kyiv and Russian troops on the Southern border.
- moonbas3 5y ago
  Those are on military bases.
  - clusterfish 5y ago
    So? What else are you gonna shell first when invading a country?
- int_19h 5y ago
  The separatist republics have constitutions that proclaim their borders as matching the corresponding regional borders they had in Ukraine, even though their de facto area of control is less than 1/3 of that. Putin claimed that his recognition of them includes that definition of their border. So Russia can push all the way to the regional border while still claiming that it's "protecting DPR and LPR".
- noitpmeder 5y ago
  You are correct! However (from my POV) this was done with the intent of disabling any possibility of a counterattack or serious resistance. Russia's ability seize it's desired positions is significantly greater if Ukraine has no functioning airforce or military infrastructure. While this _does_ make it easier for Russia to invade the rest of Ukraine (again, because of a lack of military infrastructure) I still think it is a stretch that they will go for a full-country occupation. While this is not exactly a parallel, think back to Operation Desert Storm. The US-supported coalition had no intent of occupying Iraq, but it's push into Kuwait was made _significantly_ easier after they completely annihilated a significant portion of Iraq's military structure (inside and outside of Kuwait).
  - neilwilson 5y ago
    I hope you're right. If Putin pushes further then we'll know he's gone completely mad.
pgodzin 5y ago
we're already past that point
heartbreak 5y ago
Have you checked the news today?