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Be careful working in this field (pornography). In 2017 I wrote a mildly pornographic app (http://driftwheeler.com http://driftwheeler.com) and it appears on my

Be careful working in this field (pornography). In 2017 I wrote a mildly pornographic app (http://driftwheeler.com http://driftwheeler.com) and it appears on my resume. When hiring managers or recruiters take a look, some of them get upset. For example, a scheduled interview was abruptly cancelled the night before. I pursued the matter through a friend who had a senior role at the hiring company and it was determined that the (middle-aged female) in-house recruiter had been deeply offended when she followed the link on my resume and had cancelled everything. Eventually, I received a sincere apology from the CEO. There is a real stigma, and it will affect you. Beware.

TechBro8615 5y ago
“Don’t link to NSFW content on your resume” seems like a common-sense rule that’s applicable independently of whether you worked in the porn industry or not.
- imwillofficial 5y ago
  For real, just take it off the resume after the first non-positive reaction. Pro tip: Your resume is your greatest hits album, not an encyclopedia entry on you.
  - wldcordeiro 5y ago
    Maybe they did good work and felt proud of it and thought the hiring managers could look past the content of the product of the company and look at the real work needed to deliver that product.
    - imwillofficial 5y ago
      Unfortunately, here on planet earth, people are not always reasonable, logical, or act in their best interests. We must calibrate our messaging to have the intended effect. If what you’re putting out isn’t being received as intended, modulate the signal.
      - sdoering 5y ago
        Exactly. That is why such a entry in your resume works like a great filter. If I had worked in NSFW and an application would get rejected because of that I would sincerely thank my former job for saving me a job in an environment I would not want to touch with a ten foot pole. If people in (even small power) like HR drones abuse their position as to flag a resume because of such a former experience I doubt there is a company culture of honesty, openness, respect or value of the individual. To me personally a great filter to have. If one is desperately in need of a job. OK - remove it and try to jump ship once secured in the current place.
        imwillofficial 5y ago
        A great non-obvious take. I like it.
        wldcordeiro 5y ago
        Good summary of my thoughts on this, thanks for jumping!
        samhw 5y ago
        > If people in (even small power) like HR drones abuse their position I call this the traffic warden principle: Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. A really tiny amount of power, in one specific area of your life, corrupts even more. (Also, FWIW, it's "people in (even small) power", not "people in (even small power)".)
      - toyg 5y ago
        TBF, that calculation is only necessary in some circumstances. Want to get into FAANG? Corporate HR is dominated by women, better clean up your act. Wanna get hired by the hot bro-startup to be single-digit-employee? No purge necessary - if anything, those blue entries will score more points.
    - code_runner 5y ago
      It sounds as if they’ve learned otherwise through first hand experience at this point. Seems like a way to shock the people actually putting real effort into vetting a candidates resume/credentials. Maybe a warning that it’s nsfw would cause less extreme reactions.
- amelius 5y ago
  Even less applicable if you didn't work in the industry.
  - nefitty 5y ago
    Seriously. All he had to do was make a SFW version for his resume if he was so keen on showing off the work. Use pictures of smurfs and puppies. I might unfairly be making assumptions about how technically feasible the change would be. If it would be difficult to do so, I'd be interested to learn how/why, eg was it a system design choice or is it inherent to the tech itself...
    - brailsafe 5y ago
      It's probably true that most work worth keeping on a resume, after some experience, is going to be non-trivial to replicate at best, and awkward to lie about/dance around in explaining purely to accommodate the sensitivities of adults who should chill out. I've worked mostly for companies I wasn't fired from, and it'd be great to avoid talking about the experience directly. Could I re-create the frontend interface for massive auction company? Maybe, but it would take a large amount of extremely unsatisfactory work. Could I recreate the database, backend infrastructure, and conditions that really made the work hard? No
      - nefitty 5y ago
        Yeah, you're definitely right. If I was in that situation, I think I would be up front about the nature of the work and offer a "sanitized" textual walkthrough of the project. Let people decide if they want to risk being offended. I'm slightly conflicted here. I don't like pretending that facets of life don't exist, especially when they don't directly harm the involved, but I am also mindful of people's individual sensitivities. To tie it back to something more general, it seems like a lot of software engineering work is predicated on the cis male perspective. It's hard for me to imagine the psychological impact that sexual harassment might have on a woman, partly because I have the privilege of moving through the world without having my body or attractiveness be a point of interest whatsoever. I feel safe walking outside at night. I don't check my car's backseat before getting in. I have no idea what the fear of kidnapping even is. In light of the above, of being honest with the gaps in what I will ever experience, how can I venture to link to a site that might offend a woman? Even if it seems ok to me, and it's a joke or whatever excuse, how can I possibly say I fully understand her perspective when her lived experience places her in such vastly different situations?
- tshaddox 5y ago
  There's a big difference between surprising someone by leading them to a website that immediate shows NSFW content and putting on your resume that you previously worked for a company that published NSFW content. The latter absolutely should not be considered "NSFW" and shouldn't be considered a red flag by a potential employer.
_bax 5y ago
Pecunia not olet..
shaky-carrousel 5y ago
This neopuritanism is awful. I thought we already left it behind, but looks like it's returning full force.
- haliskerbas 5y ago
  Have you heard “family-values” being touted by media correspondents as an excuse for everything.
- nix23 5y ago
  Just think where Wikipedia would be without the porn industry...and VR-"Gaming" ;-) Porn and advertising is the driving force of the Internet.
  - georgia_peach 5y ago
    This is a soundbite falsehood. The military industrial complex is the driving force of the internet and all things computing. Porn is just another monetization.
    - nix23 5y ago
      >The military industrial complex is the driving force of the internet and all things computing. Was the initial force...but since we call it "internet" and "personal computers" instead of "mainframe" and "arpanet" not anymore.
      - georgia_peach 5y ago
        If you closely study Twitter's actions (How did that Arab Spring turn out for everybody?), or read about the InQtel origins of google (Assange's "Google Is Not What It Seems"), or how the Israelis blasted the Palestinians with porn during a siege (the OnlyFans economy!), you will see that it is still very much a weapon. Of the actual innovations in this field, how many came from defense (DOD, CIA, NSA, ARPA, & their contractors), and how many came from pornography?
ss108 5y ago
"mildly pornographic" Demo video literally depicts naked chicks. Sure, it's soft porn, but it's fully pornographic lol
- crtasm 5y ago
  indeed. perhaps they forgot about all the closeup photos of genitalia in the demos!
slingnow 5y ago
You realize you have full control over your resume, right? "It appears on my resume" makes it sound like some other controlling entity has put it on your resume, so that it now just appears there as a matter of fact. What an odd statement to make.
PKop 5y ago
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- twiclo 5y ago
  - sofixa 5y ago
    How is pornography destroying America? And why only America and not also Canada or the UK?
    - twiclo 5y ago
      I would assume it's affecting most countries with high speed internet. I just chose not to opine on those countries since I don't live in them and am less informed. You can view this comment I made for why porn is dangerous: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30443056 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30443056
      - seattle_spring 5y ago
        We get it, you're LDS, but please don't push your unsolicited religious beliefs onto others.
  - Johanx64 5y ago
    Porn is a tool. It's a tool that enables men to disable their sex drive... for a set amount of time. What most people don't realize is how awfully strong the sex drive is and can get given time... since they never let it get to that point. And I'm saying this after 6weeks of complete abstinence. It's utterly distracting and frustrating, making it extremely hard to focus and get any work done. Rubbed one out and I can finally focus again and do some quality programming work. Should have rubbed one out way sooner than that. The amount of actual work I've missed out due to this is not negligible.
latchkey 5y ago
F' that. I worked for Kink.com (NSFW) (as a software engineer) and I'm proud of it. I got experience building cutting edge, high demand systems and services that I wouldn't have gotten elsewhere. We did realtime 1080p streaming video before anyone else and a full micro currency (Kinks). I even built a whole ad serving system that served banners from sites like PornHub (so I got a taste of the traffic levels they had). If that held me back from getting a job at some puritanical company, so be it. I wouldn't have wanted to work there any way.
- twiclo 5y ago
  - claytongulick 5y ago
    That seems like a purposefully inflammatory and reductivist response to a sincere post about technical experience. Perhaps you should evaluate whether your post adds to the conversation, or is intended to be a character attack on the GP.
    - twiclo 5y ago
      - dang 5y ago
        You broke the site guidelines badly in this thread. We ban accounts that do that. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
        bitexploder 5y ago
        This probably also breaks the rules, but uhh, thanks for smacking these bozos Dang. I have been here since HN started [ahem, I did lurk for a few years] and I really appreciate it being kept to high standards and a great place to discuss tech and such :)
potentialporner 5y ago
> There is a real stigma, and it will affect you. Beware. Small anecdote, but I was recruited by and almost took an offer for the folks behind "BangBros." Their corporate structure was apparently such that the IT / Software roles worked for a shell company with a generic name, generic website, etc. This company apparently works in a "consulting" like capacity for all of their assets (BangBros, "tube" sites, cam sites, etc.) I asked what was going on with the shell company, because it seemed sketchy as all hell. It was explained that because of industry stigma most of their employees use the shell company for their resume with generic "worked on highly-scalable systems handling N amount of traffic." Apparently it was a highly professional outfit, and the closest you could get to dealing with FANG-level problems while not being a FANG-eligible person. Great pay and benefits, business casual dress located in a nice building in Miami Beach.
- toyg 5y ago
  Same sort of arrangement, I casually discovered, is often in play for gambling sites (pun intended). Because the overall outfit can be seen as questionable (occasionally by accident: gambling regulations change very often, so what is legal today might well be illegal tomorrow), the technical side is kept at arm's length, so that they can still attract good talent.
- latchkey 5y ago
  In my case, I just told my gf's parents that I worked for an educational video company. Years later after I went on to another job, we told them "the truth" and they just shrugged it off.
- lupire 5y ago
  > business casual dress for a tech company, and a porn company? that's completely absurd.
cookieswumchorr 5y ago
given the overall favourable situation on the IT job market, maybe it's not bad to have a filter against having to work with hypocrites?
- crtasm 5y ago
  I'm not supporting their decision but what about it was hypocritical?
  - sdoering 5y ago
    If HR passed on them because 'porn' they either abused their position or gave a clear signal about company culture. They need to find someone that fits. In terms of skills and team fit/professionalism. Either the company values prude/neoconservative value signaling (the at least I wouldn't want to work there and they should openly tell people what ideology is expected) or the HR person abused their position and did not do their job in finding someone that fits the skill set and role. Either way is hypocritical in my book.
    - toyg 5y ago
      Being anti-porn is hardly limited to neocons, unless you think the totality of FAANGs are neocons. This is the sort of live wire that cuts right across all political groups.
theideaofcoffee 5y ago
I'll echo a sub post on this and say, with a most gentle: fuck. that. I consider it a positive signal that I would be rejected for some of my past work in adult. It shortcuts the whole you're-interviewing-them portion of the recruiting process. They've done my work for me. In the past, my involvement in the area has proven to be an interesting facet of my work history that others don't have, often resulting in interviews just out of curiosity on their end. Did I receive offers on all of them? No, and I don't care either and that's not the point. My point is that I'm not going to censor myself or my background in anticipation of someone being offended. Let them be offended, there's lots of other places where that isn't a problem.
- AlwaysRock 5y ago
  That is fine if you don't mind loosing out on some opportunities because a very religious recruiting coordinator 6 months out of college making 45K per year decides your profile is icky. It's probably not the CTO, your direct manager, or even any of your peer that would be offended. Anyone in the long chain of people that are involved in your process from applicant to employee could cause a stink. It's difficult to say one employees who might filter you out is indicative of the entire company culture. I know a lot of happy employees who absolutely hated their experience being onboarded because of 1 or 2 difficult people. But who gives a shit about how Michael from HR took 9 days to send an official offer letter if you're never going to have to interact with them again?
exolymph 5y ago
Absent some mitigating context, I would also conclude that something is wrong with you for putting NSFW content on your resume. The issue here is mainly what you're telegraphing about your grasp of social norms.
caeril 5y ago
The hiring process is determining who is a good fit for whom, both skills-wise, and other-wise. What if they never followed the link, and you had been hired, and you ended up working with a team of people who were culturally incompatible with you? This falls into the same category as "be careful having opinions in public". Ever since we've been easily Googlable, right-wing employers have canceled left-wing candidates and very much vice-versa (e.g. Antonio Garcia Martinez and Apple). There's been some degree of outcry and stink about this, but in the end it's probably a net good for employees to work with teams they are culturally aligned with. Getting cut early on account of what you believe or what else you worked on is probably best for everyone involved. Would you like to be able to enjoy a beer with your coworkers or not?
- lupire 5y ago
  > Would you like to be able to enjoy a beer with your coworkers or not? Not a job requirement for adults. Open-minded professionalism and civility should trump only working with frat buddies.
bduerst 5y ago
>middle-aged female Not sure how that's relevant here. You write about the unjust bias (and unjust it is) against you for having worked with porn, but then seem to to try to evoke ageist and gender stereotypes.
- cromka 5y ago
  Agreed. And while I doubt this is what the author of the comment actually had in mind, I think it is important to notice that porn, by large extent, takes advantage of women, and so it’s women who naturally have bigger issue with it than man. And I assume the CEO who sent the apologetic letter was a man. In other words, the author inadvertently exemplifies how sexist IT can still be.
- squintychino 5y ago
  I think the implication is that women tend to have more of a problem with pornography than men. Perhaps if the CEO had been a man it wouldn't have gotten to the point where it resulted in their interview being cancelled.
- Kranar 5y ago
  OP never said the bias was unjust, only that the bias exists and people working in that industry should be aware it could be used against them. Multiple studies exist showing that men and women have very very different views on pornography and in particular women's views on it are significantly more negative than men's views. Furthermore people's views on pornography change as they get older with older people having an even more negative view about it than younger people. This isn't like a fringe difference either, consumption of porn by women is less than 20% that of men. There's nothing sexist about pointing out that women can and often do have very different views on a subject than men, and no reason to think that women having a negative view of pornography somehow makes them inferior in anyway.
  - bduerst 5y ago
    >Multiple studies exist showing that men and women have very very different views on pornography and in particular women's views on it are significantly more negative than men's views Can you cite some of these studies? IIRC there is a difference in consumption rates between genders, but not negative attitudes.
yesbabyyes 5y ago
> (http://driftwheeler.com http://driftwheeler.com) I tend to get suspicious when porn sites (or porn-related sites) avoid https. Maybe I'm paranoid, but it's so simple to use ssl today than I find it hard to give the benefit of the doubt. Is there any reason to your choice in publishing content such as this in a way that exposes all visitors?
danuker 5y ago
The downside might be that you limit the available job offers. The upside is you don't get matched with prude co-workers.
lucidbee 5y ago
I looked at the "mildly pornographic app" you wrote and my reaction was, I would not choose to hire you. Basically I don't want to be exposed to people's sexual fantasies as a part of my job. It's obnoxious and way, way into the territory of TMI. Do what you like and keep it private. The fact you thought it was appropriate to share this with a potential employer reviewing your resume is a red flag. Your sense of what is appropriate to share in the workplace is clearly off. This is quite different than merely listing an employer such as pornhub on your resume.

TechBro8615 5y ago

“Don’t link to NSFW content on your resume” seems like a common-sense rule that’s applicable independently of whether you worked in the porn industry or not.

imwillofficial 5y ago
For real, just take it off the resume after the first non-positive reaction. Pro tip: Your resume is your greatest hits album, not an encyclopedia entry on you.
- wldcordeiro 5y ago
  Maybe they did good work and felt proud of it and thought the hiring managers could look past the content of the product of the company and look at the real work needed to deliver that product.
  - imwillofficial 5y ago
    Unfortunately, here on planet earth, people are not always reasonable, logical, or act in their best interests. We must calibrate our messaging to have the intended effect. If what you’re putting out isn’t being received as intended, modulate the signal.
    - sdoering 5y ago
      Exactly. That is why such a entry in your resume works like a great filter. If I had worked in NSFW and an application would get rejected because of that I would sincerely thank my former job for saving me a job in an environment I would not want to touch with a ten foot pole. If people in (even small power) like HR drones abuse their position as to flag a resume because of such a former experience I doubt there is a company culture of honesty, openness, respect or value of the individual. To me personally a great filter to have. If one is desperately in need of a job. OK - remove it and try to jump ship once secured in the current place.
      - imwillofficial 5y ago
        A great non-obvious take. I like it.
      - wldcordeiro 5y ago
        Good summary of my thoughts on this, thanks for jumping!
      - samhw 5y ago
        > If people in (even small power) like HR drones abuse their position I call this the traffic warden principle: Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. A really tiny amount of power, in one specific area of your life, corrupts even more. (Also, FWIW, it's "people in (even small) power", not "people in (even small power)".)
    - toyg 5y ago
      TBF, that calculation is only necessary in some circumstances. Want to get into FAANG? Corporate HR is dominated by women, better clean up your act. Wanna get hired by the hot bro-startup to be single-digit-employee? No purge necessary - if anything, those blue entries will score more points.
  - code_runner 5y ago
    It sounds as if they’ve learned otherwise through first hand experience at this point. Seems like a way to shock the people actually putting real effort into vetting a candidates resume/credentials. Maybe a warning that it’s nsfw would cause less extreme reactions.
amelius 5y ago
Even less applicable if you didn't work in the industry.
- nefitty 5y ago
  Seriously. All he had to do was make a SFW version for his resume if he was so keen on showing off the work. Use pictures of smurfs and puppies. I might unfairly be making assumptions about how technically feasible the change would be. If it would be difficult to do so, I'd be interested to learn how/why, eg was it a system design choice or is it inherent to the tech itself...
  - brailsafe 5y ago
    It's probably true that most work worth keeping on a resume, after some experience, is going to be non-trivial to replicate at best, and awkward to lie about/dance around in explaining purely to accommodate the sensitivities of adults who should chill out. I've worked mostly for companies I wasn't fired from, and it'd be great to avoid talking about the experience directly. Could I re-create the frontend interface for massive auction company? Maybe, but it would take a large amount of extremely unsatisfactory work. Could I recreate the database, backend infrastructure, and conditions that really made the work hard? No
    - nefitty 5y ago
      Yeah, you're definitely right. If I was in that situation, I think I would be up front about the nature of the work and offer a "sanitized" textual walkthrough of the project. Let people decide if they want to risk being offended. I'm slightly conflicted here. I don't like pretending that facets of life don't exist, especially when they don't directly harm the involved, but I am also mindful of people's individual sensitivities. To tie it back to something more general, it seems like a lot of software engineering work is predicated on the cis male perspective. It's hard for me to imagine the psychological impact that sexual harassment might have on a woman, partly because I have the privilege of moving through the world without having my body or attractiveness be a point of interest whatsoever. I feel safe walking outside at night. I don't check my car's backseat before getting in. I have no idea what the fear of kidnapping even is. In light of the above, of being honest with the gaps in what I will ever experience, how can I venture to link to a site that might offend a woman? Even if it seems ok to me, and it's a joke or whatever excuse, how can I possibly say I fully understand her perspective when her lived experience places her in such vastly different situations?
tshaddox 5y ago
There's a big difference between surprising someone by leading them to a website that immediate shows NSFW content and putting on your resume that you previously worked for a company that published NSFW content. The latter absolutely should not be considered "NSFW" and shouldn't be considered a red flag by a potential employer.

_bax 5y ago

Pecunia not olet..

shaky-carrousel 5y ago

This neopuritanism is awful. I thought we already left it behind, but looks like it's returning full force.

haliskerbas 5y ago
Have you heard “family-values” being touted by media correspondents as an excuse for everything.
nix23 5y ago
Just think where Wikipedia would be without the porn industry...and VR-"Gaming" ;-) Porn and advertising is the driving force of the Internet.
- georgia_peach 5y ago
  This is a soundbite falsehood. The military industrial complex is the driving force of the internet and all things computing. Porn is just another monetization.
  - nix23 5y ago
    >The military industrial complex is the driving force of the internet and all things computing. Was the initial force...but since we call it "internet" and "personal computers" instead of "mainframe" and "arpanet" not anymore.
    - georgia_peach 5y ago
      If you closely study Twitter's actions (How did that Arab Spring turn out for everybody?), or read about the InQtel origins of google (Assange's "Google Is Not What It Seems"), or how the Israelis blasted the Palestinians with porn during a siege (the OnlyFans economy!), you will see that it is still very much a weapon. Of the actual innovations in this field, how many came from defense (DOD, CIA, NSA, ARPA, & their contractors), and how many came from pornography?

ss108 5y ago

"mildly pornographic" Demo video literally depicts naked chicks. Sure, it's soft porn, but it's fully pornographic lol

crtasm 5y ago
indeed. perhaps they forgot about all the closeup photos of genitalia in the demos!

slingnow 5y ago

You realize you have full control over your resume, right? "It appears on my resume" makes it sound like some other controlling entity has put it on your resume, so that it now just appears there as a matter of fact. What an odd statement to make.

PKop 5y ago

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twiclo 5y ago
- sofixa 5y ago
  How is pornography destroying America? And why only America and not also Canada or the UK?
  - twiclo 5y ago
    I would assume it's affecting most countries with high speed internet. I just chose not to opine on those countries since I don't live in them and am less informed. You can view this comment I made for why porn is dangerous: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30443056 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30443056
    - seattle_spring 5y ago
      We get it, you're LDS, but please don't push your unsolicited religious beliefs onto others.
- Johanx64 5y ago
  Porn is a tool. It's a tool that enables men to disable their sex drive... for a set amount of time. What most people don't realize is how awfully strong the sex drive is and can get given time... since they never let it get to that point. And I'm saying this after 6weeks of complete abstinence. It's utterly distracting and frustrating, making it extremely hard to focus and get any work done. Rubbed one out and I can finally focus again and do some quality programming work. Should have rubbed one out way sooner than that. The amount of actual work I've missed out due to this is not negligible.

latchkey 5y ago

F' that. I worked for Kink.com (NSFW) (as a software engineer) and I'm proud of it. I got experience building cutting edge, high demand systems and services that I wouldn't have gotten elsewhere. We did realtime 1080p streaming video before anyone else and a full micro currency (Kinks). I even built a whole ad serving system that served banners from sites like PornHub (so I got a taste of the traffic levels they had). If that held me back from getting a job at some puritanical company, so be it. I wouldn't have wanted to work there any way.

twiclo 5y ago
- claytongulick 5y ago
  That seems like a purposefully inflammatory and reductivist response to a sincere post about technical experience. Perhaps you should evaluate whether your post adds to the conversation, or is intended to be a character attack on the GP.
  - twiclo 5y ago
    - dang 5y ago
      You broke the site guidelines badly in this thread. We ban accounts that do that. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
      - bitexploder 5y ago
        This probably also breaks the rules, but uhh, thanks for smacking these bozos Dang. I have been here since HN started [ahem, I did lurk for a few years] and I really appreciate it being kept to high standards and a great place to discuss tech and such :)

potentialporner 5y ago

> There is a real stigma, and it will affect you. Beware. Small anecdote, but I was recruited by and almost took an offer for the folks behind "BangBros." Their corporate structure was apparently such that the IT / Software roles worked for a shell company with a generic name, generic website, etc. This company apparently works in a "consulting" like capacity for all of their assets (BangBros, "tube" sites, cam sites, etc.) I asked what was going on with the shell company, because it seemed sketchy as all hell. It was explained that because of industry stigma most of their employees use the shell company for their resume with generic "worked on highly-scalable systems handling N amount of traffic." Apparently it was a highly professional outfit, and the closest you could get to dealing with FANG-level problems while not being a FANG-eligible person. Great pay and benefits, business casual dress located in a nice building in Miami Beach.

toyg 5y ago
Same sort of arrangement, I casually discovered, is often in play for gambling sites (pun intended). Because the overall outfit can be seen as questionable (occasionally by accident: gambling regulations change very often, so what is legal today might well be illegal tomorrow), the technical side is kept at arm's length, so that they can still attract good talent.
latchkey 5y ago
In my case, I just told my gf's parents that I worked for an educational video company. Years later after I went on to another job, we told them "the truth" and they just shrugged it off.
lupire 5y ago
> business casual dress for a tech company, and a porn company? that's completely absurd.

cookieswumchorr 5y ago

given the overall favourable situation on the IT job market, maybe it's not bad to have a filter against having to work with hypocrites?

crtasm 5y ago
I'm not supporting their decision but what about it was hypocritical?
- sdoering 5y ago
  If HR passed on them because 'porn' they either abused their position or gave a clear signal about company culture. They need to find someone that fits. In terms of skills and team fit/professionalism. Either the company values prude/neoconservative value signaling (the at least I wouldn't want to work there and they should openly tell people what ideology is expected) or the HR person abused their position and did not do their job in finding someone that fits the skill set and role. Either way is hypocritical in my book.
  - toyg 5y ago
    Being anti-porn is hardly limited to neocons, unless you think the totality of FAANGs are neocons. This is the sort of live wire that cuts right across all political groups.

theideaofcoffee 5y ago

I'll echo a sub post on this and say, with a most gentle: fuck. that. I consider it a positive signal that I would be rejected for some of my past work in adult. It shortcuts the whole you're-interviewing-them portion of the recruiting process. They've done my work for me. In the past, my involvement in the area has proven to be an interesting facet of my work history that others don't have, often resulting in interviews just out of curiosity on their end. Did I receive offers on all of them? No, and I don't care either and that's not the point. My point is that I'm not going to censor myself or my background in anticipation of someone being offended. Let them be offended, there's lots of other places where that isn't a problem.

AlwaysRock 5y ago
That is fine if you don't mind loosing out on some opportunities because a very religious recruiting coordinator 6 months out of college making 45K per year decides your profile is icky. It's probably not the CTO, your direct manager, or even any of your peer that would be offended. Anyone in the long chain of people that are involved in your process from applicant to employee could cause a stink. It's difficult to say one employees who might filter you out is indicative of the entire company culture. I know a lot of happy employees who absolutely hated their experience being onboarded because of 1 or 2 difficult people. But who gives a shit about how Michael from HR took 9 days to send an official offer letter if you're never going to have to interact with them again?

exolymph 5y ago

Absent some mitigating context, I would also conclude that something is wrong with you for putting NSFW content on your resume. The issue here is mainly what you're telegraphing about your grasp of social norms.

caeril 5y ago

The hiring process is determining who is a good fit for whom, both skills-wise, and other-wise. What if they never followed the link, and you had been hired, and you ended up working with a team of people who were culturally incompatible with you? This falls into the same category as "be careful having opinions in public". Ever since we've been easily Googlable, right-wing employers have canceled left-wing candidates and very much vice-versa (e.g. Antonio Garcia Martinez and Apple). There's been some degree of outcry and stink about this, but in the end it's probably a net good for employees to work with teams they are culturally aligned with. Getting cut early on account of what you believe or what else you worked on is probably best for everyone involved. Would you like to be able to enjoy a beer with your coworkers or not?

lupire 5y ago
> Would you like to be able to enjoy a beer with your coworkers or not? Not a job requirement for adults. Open-minded professionalism and civility should trump only working with frat buddies.

bduerst 5y ago

>middle-aged female Not sure how that's relevant here. You write about the unjust bias (and unjust it is) against you for having worked with porn, but then seem to to try to evoke ageist and gender stereotypes.

cromka 5y ago
Agreed. And while I doubt this is what the author of the comment actually had in mind, I think it is important to notice that porn, by large extent, takes advantage of women, and so it’s women who naturally have bigger issue with it than man. And I assume the CEO who sent the apologetic letter was a man. In other words, the author inadvertently exemplifies how sexist IT can still be.
squintychino 5y ago
I think the implication is that women tend to have more of a problem with pornography than men. Perhaps if the CEO had been a man it wouldn't have gotten to the point where it resulted in their interview being cancelled.
Kranar 5y ago
OP never said the bias was unjust, only that the bias exists and people working in that industry should be aware it could be used against them. Multiple studies exist showing that men and women have very very different views on pornography and in particular women's views on it are significantly more negative than men's views. Furthermore people's views on pornography change as they get older with older people having an even more negative view about it than younger people. This isn't like a fringe difference either, consumption of porn by women is less than 20% that of men. There's nothing sexist about pointing out that women can and often do have very different views on a subject than men, and no reason to think that women having a negative view of pornography somehow makes them inferior in anyway.
- bduerst 5y ago
  >Multiple studies exist showing that men and women have very very different views on pornography and in particular women's views on it are significantly more negative than men's views Can you cite some of these studies? IIRC there is a difference in consumption rates between genders, but not negative attitudes.

yesbabyyes 5y ago

> (http://driftwheeler.com http://driftwheeler.com) I tend to get suspicious when porn sites (or porn-related sites) avoid https. Maybe I'm paranoid, but it's so simple to use ssl today than I find it hard to give the benefit of the doubt. Is there any reason to your choice in publishing content such as this in a way that exposes all visitors?

danuker 5y ago

The downside might be that you limit the available job offers. The upside is you don't get matched with prude co-workers.

lucidbee 5y ago

I looked at the "mildly pornographic app" you wrote and my reaction was, I would not choose to hire you. Basically I don't want to be exposed to people's sexual fantasies as a part of my job. It's obnoxious and way, way into the territory of TMI. Do what you like and keep it private. The fact you thought it was appropriate to share this with a potential employer reviewing your resume is a red flag. Your sense of what is appropriate to share in the workplace is clearly off. This is quite different than merely listing an employer such as pornhub on your resume.