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> Their audio captcha (no longer available?) involved listening to 3 MIDI tunes and picking "the sad one". Given that a large part of the world doesn't use the
by KnobbleMcKnees 5y ago
> Their audio captcha (no longer available?) involved listening to 3 MIDI tunes and picking "the sad one".
Given that a large part of the world doesn't use the major/minor dichotomy, or even equal temperament, this seems like a terrible way to verify someone is a human...
My favourite recaptchas, if one can have such a thing, are the shape sequence selection ones as they don't make significant assumptions about culture or education.
- captn3m0 5y agoI saw this one today, which asks you to pick a "cheese" illustration: https://imgur.com/a/fQSQpX4 https://imgur.com/a/fQSQpX4. I'm very much of the opinion that almost all modern captchas are american-centric. Mailboxes, fire hydrants, Trams are not recognizable for billions of people.
- withinboredom 5y agoMy “favorite” ones happen where the site doesn’t pass on the language and you get a captcha in another language. So now you have to google translate and hope to language gods that the word doesn’t have multiple meanings.
- kalleboo 5y agoIt's not too uncommon for Japanese websites to use CAPTCHAs in hiragana, so you have to be able to type in はしらす or whatever
- ui4jd73bdj 5y agoAssuming the content is in Japanese this is probably the expected result though. For international websites it would be good to follow the users chosen language. But if a website doesn't have a english version(or other alphabet based version), expecting alphabets in a captcha is not very reasonable.
- withinboredom 5y ago> expecting alphabets in a captcha is not very reasonable. As an American expat living in a country that doesn't speak English by default... I'd say it's fairly reasonable. Captchas aren't the responsibility of the site owner, the captcha integration docs should explain how to pass the language through to them and should require developers to do so.
- matsemann 5y agoI've had this happen to me before [0]: I just got one "mark everything that shows bikes" with pictures of cyclists, motorbikes and cars. The translation used the norwegian word "sykler" which to me is the human powered one. But it looked like it wanted me to also select motorized ones as well. That's something that's lost in the translation. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25227518 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25227518
- Macha 5y agoBuses: American style school/prison buses are only recognisable from a childhood of watching american media Sidewalks/Crosswalks: American English terms Traffic Lights: We never put them in strings above roads A lot of US-centric assumptions built into captchas I see
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- IshKebab 5y ago> Mailboxes, fire hydrants, Trams are not recognizable for billions of people. Cheese is though? And I'm pretty sure most of the world would recognise those things anyway - you forget how much American culture is spread through films and TV.
- aniforprez 5y agoPutting aside the fact that at least 50% of the world doesn't speak English and might not even know what "cheese" is, a lot of the world does not subsist on dairy products or use cheese and will not recognise images of cheese. Neither will they understand the traditional American schoolbus which is a very distinctive thing and will pick any old bus that appears on the photos as long as it looks like a large motor vehicle. Very few people percentage-wise will know what "crosswalk" or "sidewalk" or "mailbox" mean because these are very specifically American terms Just for context, 65% of India is rural and a ton of these people do not have access to the internet and will have zero idea how to get through these arcane captchas. The internet is effectively locked off to them
- bin_bash 5y agoYour argument only makes sense if the content behind the captcha is also local and relevant to the user.
- IshKebab 5y ago> 65% of India is rural and a ton of these people do not have access to the internet and will have zero idea how to get through these arcane captchas Damn I didn't know so many rural Indians without internet access are using AirBnB...
- reaperducer 5y agoa ton of these people do not have access to the internet and will have zero idea how to get through these arcane captchas. While I agree with both the theme and vigor of your position, your sentence made me wonder how people are seeing CAPTCHAs without the internet?
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- seattle_spring 5y agoIs swiss cheese strictly American? That's the only one a user would need to know to proceed. They don't have to identify anything else beyond "not cheese".
- eptcyka 5y agoThe best one is the chinese captcha, I think. You just slide a puzzle piece into place.
- tagersenim 5y agoI believe Binance has the same thing. This to measure my human imperfect way of sliding the puzzle piece, I suppose.
- cinntaile 5y agoI don't get this captcha tbh. Shouldn't it be trivial to create minor variations based off of a real human slide?
- stavros 5y agoBut I don't understand how we can't make a program that has a bit of randomness.
- ui4jd73bdj 5y agoSure you can, but it's not trivial to make the random seem like a human random at a large scale. What are the parameters of a human slide and what kind of distributions are they? And there might be things they do under the hood that affect those parameters like fingerprinting. You would need a lot of data to imitate a human, but the provider of the captcha has a lot more data than you to counter your effort. Thats why it's usually just easier to pay some people pennies to solve them by hand.
- stavros 5y agoAh, interesting, I didn't think of the information asymmetry there, thank you.
- Monotoko 5y agoChinese captchas can be much worse when you're on domestic websites, to the point where I need to get my wife to solve it for me because I'm not sure which character doesn't have a specific stroke
- motoboi 5y agoGiven that the year is 2022 and even Michael Jackson is known worldwide, I’m pretty sure humans now recognize western music concepts.
- fhars 5y agoI am from a western background, and the last time I checked, I had about a 54% chance of correctly telling minor from major (p > 99.5%).
- willis936 5y agoIt's like they're maximizing ML success rate while minimizing non-white success rate. This is absurdly transparent implicit bias. I don't know how these things make it out the door. I don't get how these things can be shown and someone says "Yeah, I want that. I'll pay for that." Just pathetic all around.
- ccooffee 5y agoIt feels like all of the captchas/alternatives are suffering the same problem of "computers are just better than people". By 2025, captchas will require in depth knowledge of American culture. I got this image from a time traveler: https://postimg.cc/3WrTbgmF https://postimg.cc/3WrTbgmF