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Show HN: Full text search on 630M US court cases
- channel_t 5y agoWow I just found out that a lot of distant family members on the opposite side of the country who I've never met are really bad drivers. Found one of my own moving violations in there too.
- markbnj 5y agoNice work, very fast, simple display. Also, I learned that a speeding ticket I never paid back in the 80's is still an open case, and that a few articles I wrote in the 90's have been cited in dozens of patents. Yippee.
- idontwantthis 5y agoDoesn’t that mean you can be arrested in that state?
- markbnj 5y agoProbably? I haven't been there in years, but I'll be contacting them to pay the fine.
- sytelus 5y agoI also learned recently that if things weren’t sealed then it is available to anyone. Is it possible to create a DB of all such public documents attached to the cases? What would it take to do that?
- boomer918 5y agoThis is a pretty big violation of privacy, especially for people who's criminal records have been expunged. It could satisfy some people's curiosity or if they are a lawyer, they could save a few grand on PACER, but for everyone else this is a privacy disaster. I hope you take this down eventually.
- zethrowaway 5y agoHard agree, it feels like an invasion of privacy in line with the cancerous people search/background search websites that make available everything from your home address and phone number to your pets name.
- nickphx 5y agoYou don't need to be a lawyer to get a PACER account. I'm a felon, I have a pacer account.
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- donatj 5y agoCrazy. Searching my name find almost every traffic ticket I’ve ever had, as well as a bunch of people with the same name as me getting tickets.
- codechad 5y agoThis is amazing. Can you share any info on how you were able to compile so much info from different sources? In my limited experience of hunting for legal filings, it seemed like every court had its own system, with nothing standardized or programmatic. Thanks!
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- richardbarosky 5y agoThe search uses elasticsearch 7 for full text search. It's been extremely fast and worked very well. You're right court data is scattered across many different systems and needs to be aggregated, which is a difficult process.
- kingcharles 5y agoAre you using freelaw's code to scrape all the different servers? Why are there no contact details on the site? I don't understand the mystery and black ops nature of this thing. It feels like there is some sort of conspiracy here that I've yet to uncover!
- richardbarosky 5y agoThere are I think about 5 million opinions from that project, yes. I wouldn't say it's blackops, feel free contact me on reddit.
- tmikaeld 5y agoHow much ram does that use up? What’s the latency? Is it sharded? Is it a cluster? So many questions
- kyboren 5y agoThis is... not great. It's crucial that these records be open to public inspection. But instant full-text search of the entire dockets of 630M cases feels wrong, invasive, and dangerous to me. It's yet another instance of panopticon surveillance now being too cheap to meter. I think our society needs to come to grips with this new reality and figure out what to do about it. Or are we all just cool with this?
- EvanAnderson 5y agoPowerful corporate and government actors have massive surveillance and data warehousing capabilities that aren't going away. At the very least, putting those powers into the hands of the public helps to level the playing field. Society will have to change to accommodate the digital panopticon. I don't see the digital panopticon going away, though.
- wolverine876 5y ago> putting those powers into the hands of the public helps to level the playing field Agreed, but ... > Powerful corporate and government actors have massive surveillance and data warehousing capabilities that aren't going away. To nitpick: They aren't going away as long as we spread that message. It's not easy, but we can make them go away. People do accomplish things and change the world - just compare today's world with 500 years ago; all the differences the result of people changing things. Defeatism is trendy, and who benefits? (The status quo.)
- EvanAnderson 5y ago> To nitpick: They aren't going away as long as we spread that message. ... Defeatism is trendy, and who benefits? It's not defeatism-- it's just being realistic. I don't believe there's any useful method to make government actors comply with the law. I have an, admittedly US perspective, but evidence the FBI under J. Edgar Hoover, the NSA and the subsequent Church committee hearings, and Snowden's disclosures as examples. The power afforded by mass surveillance and data warehousing is too attractive not to be abused.
- alangibson 5y agoThis site will be the first stop for anyone wanting to harass another person online. Some times a little friction is a good thing. I love projects like these, but they're the digital equivalent of "dual use technologies". They can be used for good or evil. That said, nice work.
- iqanq 5y ago>This site will be the first stop for anyone wanting to harass another person online. Some times a little friction is a good thing. Precisely I was thinking of how much fun we'll be having in efnet with this.
- richardbarosky 5y agoI think broadly the same tradeoffs exist for any search sysetm, like Google or PACER for example.
- rmbyrro 5y agoYeah, the only missing piece for fulltext harassment is a "Google alert" for particular keywords. Put the names you wanna track and receive a delightful alert in your inbox with rocks to throw over other people's roof. EDIT: the tech is great, but I think there should be a record of who is accessing the data, for what purpose, terms for how it can be used in a civil way, and means to go after misuse.
- alangibson 5y agoHow is harassment as a service not a thing yet? You get a "Google alert" for your target. The service presents you with several buttons: 1. Send an AI written email 2. Post a link to the new info on their Facebook page 3. Tweet an image macro with the incriminating text embedded @ them
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- skilled 5y agoPage 1 of 78 total cases for: wikileaks
- airstrike 5y agoThis seems pretty good at first glance but there's significant room for improvement. Since this is HN, allow me to nitpick... - "630M" is a big number, sure, but I don't have a sense for what % of total court cases it corresponds to. Is it closer to 10% or 90%? And either way, which ones are included vs. excluded? What was the criteria used? Accessibility, date, costs? - I get the artistic view behind the choice of typography but the font is just too large. I find myself having to scroll to get just as far as the 5th result. Information density is good in search engines - The results consist of two pieces: the name of the court (followed by "record", which is unnecessary) and a short snippet, but not the actual name of the case... which is an interesting choice given that the name of the case is stored in a database field as evidenced by the fact that it is in the <title> tag of any detail view - Also I also think the snippets are too short. Together with the previous point, this site is basically forcing me to click on each potential match to see if it is what I wanted or not - The URLs are... interesting. Searching for anything takes you to "https://www.judyrecords.com/getSearchResults/?page=1 https://www.judyrecords.com/getSearchResults/?page=1" which does not identify your search. Somehow this is using GET but not storing the form input in the URL but locally somehow... so searching for "foo" in one tab, "bar" in a different tab, and hitting refresh on your "foo" tab will then show "bar" results there. Which is not only "Not Cool", but seems actually harder to accomplish than a straight up form using GET - And then the actual results have URLs like "https://www.judyrecords.com/record/qxemfajbcae3 https://www.judyrecords.com/record/qxemfajbcae3". I'd be fine with a slug, really, but in 2022 I expect URLs to be API-like - I can't search for specific cases, e.g. "paramount communications, inc. v. qvc network, inc" returns a bunch of results, none of which are the actual case I'm looking for which is a hugely influential precedent
- richardbarosky 5y agoValid criticisms, thanks for pointing them out as areas of improvement. Good question about the % of total cases though I think there are some estimates on that. My guess would maybe be 100M+ cases per year.
- Hammershaft 5y ago> My guess would maybe be 100M+ cases per year. If this is close then that blows my mind. That would be roughly 1 court case per ~2.5 american adults per year.
- fosshogg 5y agoThankfully none of the (many) speeding tickets I got in my youth are showing up.
- mostlystatic 5y agoIt's much more limited in what's covered, but when I had some questions around VAT I found the website of the British and Irish Legal Information Institute really helpful: https://www.bailii.org/ https://www.bailii.org/ It's noindex, so it would normally be super hard to find the cases if you don't search on the BAILII site directly.
- wolverine876 5y agoWho made this site? How is it funded? They don't reveal themselves afaict. Why should I trust it?
- richardbarosky 5y agoThe site is meant to be an index, and you should verify information from the source.
- flatiron 5y agoWhat wouldn’t you trust? It’s simply indexing public info.
- wolverine876 5y agoThink of it like a search engine, like Google: There is a lot of editorial power in a search engine, such as what is listed, what is listed first, what is excluded, and accuracy (correctness and completeness). Always know your source; there are no exceptions - especially in the 'post-truth' era.
- magicjosh 5y agoHere's Steve Jobs' speeding ticket: https://www.judyrecords.com/record/vde11sdzw25ac https://www.judyrecords.com/record/vde11sdzw25ac
- richardbarosky 5y agohmmm, middle initial checks out. though it's possible it's another steve.
- sva_ 5y agoWas trying to find speeding tickets of John von Neumann, but in vain. It would be nice if one could limit search by years.
- hervature 5y agoApparently importing a Jaguar through Canada went horribly wrong for him: https://www.judyrecords.com/record/0vctgni5684d https://www.judyrecords.com/record/0vctgni5684d
- sva_ 5y ago> Argued and Submitted June 3, 1981. John von Neumann died in 1957. The name is a bit generic, so many results show up. Hence I wished there was a way to limit search to a range of years.
- hervature 5y agoGood call, now I'm embarrassed. I should've known that. Funny how the mind works. I knew he died in his 50's and was involved in the Manhattan project but somehow was content lumping him in with all the other scientists from Operation Paperclip and using loose math that 1981 was possible.
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- busymom0 5y agoMind sharing info on server, backend, costs etc?
- richardbarosky 5y agoReplied to this comment here with some additional info: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30399881#unv_30400160 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30399881#unv_30400160
- nabla9 5y ago603 total cases for: emacs 260 total cases for: "mind control" 768 total cases for: "donald j. trump" State of Minnesota vs Steven Captain America Rogers https://www.judyrecords.com/record/vfvd30smme78f https://www.judyrecords.com/record/vfvd30smme78f
- btdmaster 5y ago> mind control I love it! (Is witchcraft constitutionally protected?!)
- trhway 5y agoThat is great. Regular people access to the information is great power equalizer. I had lost a small case - fine print and a lot of undelivered promises - after 3 lawyers said I'd lose and won it on appeal after finding in an online database (not available anymore sadly) a similar precedent referring the law exactly for my situation. According to yelp and case search the company I had this case with was regularly taking people for a ride, and the people very grudgingly paid hundreds to several thousands of dollars a pop mostly because of the fine print, and I became the first with winning case in that list.
- richardbarosky 5y agoThat's a great use case. Thank you for sharing!
- hbcondo714 5y agoOP submitted this site in November 2020 with 400M cases[1]. Other than the increase in cases, what else has changed? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25150702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25150702
- richardbarosky 5y agoRight, more cases primarily. The performance has been optimized so the searches, search result pages, and individual pages load significantly faster. Most searches load in under 200ms and most pages including SRPs load in less than 20 ms. Search syntax improvements (see info page for details). The search is still not very granular and field-specific, but definitely an area of improvement.
- hbcondo714 5y agoThanks, I think it would be nice to have a changelog.
- dang 5y agoNot as a criticism but just FEI (For Everyone's Information), reposts are ok on HN after a year or so. This is in the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html.
- cperciva 5y agoTIL that I'm cited in a lot of patents.
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- andrewguenther 5y agohttps://patents.google.com https://patents.google.com is great for this
- MaknMoreGtnLess 5y agoEntity recognition on this would be an extreme value add. Don't you think?
- richardbarosky 5y agoIt's a difficult problem, but that would definitely be useful for sure.
- loxias 5y agoFantastic. Love it. Wish I could download the whole 630M DB, not just 700K cases from Texas. I especially love the interface. It's light and fast. Not unnecessarily burdened by JavaScript. Bravo to that.
- richardbarosky 5y agothank you!
- dheera 5y agoDamn, even traffic citations in there. Wow.
- btdmaster 5y agoJust an FYI -- you probably need to declare the use of Google Analytics explicitly in your terms. (Although my personal preference is something that does not require consent, like Matomo or Plausible Analytics :)
- ejb999 5y agowhy would that be? I don't think I have ever seen a site that disclosed they are using GA? FWIW: I also prefer Plausible, and have all GA traffic blocked in my hosts file
- btdmaster 5y agoSince it collects personally identifiable information (at least IP addresses, but it's not clear where it stops) this requires special treatment under GDPR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Analytics#Privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Analytics#Privacy
- brobinson 5y agoWhy does an unmonetized website about US court cases, presumably targeted towards Americans, need to care about GDPR?
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- dgellow 5y agoBecause the website is accessed by Europeans, meaning it is collecting Europeans data (via google analytics). But also because California has CCPA which is more or less equivalent to GDPR (as far as I understand at least. I might be incorrect).
- brobinson 5y agoGot it. In that case, whatever European commission is in charge of GDPR fines can charge them a % of their $0/year income like other GDPR violators.
- tomrod 5y agoNeat. I'll add this to my sources on case law -- another one I've come across is https://case.law/ https://case.law/ Per my close friend, the value of these (or, why people subscribe to LexisNexis) isn't solely the texts, but the cross referencing. It would be really cool to see that get implemented (and no doubt a non-trivial problem!). How do you source your case inputs, as it is bigger than PACER?
- richardbarosky 5y agoCourtListener is a free source that does this very well for high-level courts. (i.e., US Supreme Court, Federal Courts, State Courts of Last Resort/State Supreme Courts). For that, you have to detect references of cases which is a difficult problem itself, and CourtListener's search ranking also takes into account the citation weight of certain cases. This generally works well, but my understanding is that sometimes a not-so-important case can end up having many citations. Or if a case with many citations is overturned completely or partially, these things complicate which cases might be most relevant in search results too. The data source is provided for each case. In some cases, a direct reference/link is provided.
- dd36 5y agolpf.io
- drewmol 5y agoI recently had some criminal charges expunged, and I notice they show up here. Is there any way to request removal of court records which are no longer publicly available from the originating court?
- richardbarosky 5y agoThis is a possibility that there aren't any great solutions for currently. Can you message me on reddit with the link to check?
- jka 5y agoI'm not a lawyer: In the absence of a reporting mechanism for issues like this, I'd suggest at least a notice / message alongside results to indicate that they may not reflect the current state of official and amended records. (I think you may be wise to take this issue fairly seriously; there's a risk of people considering the search engine to be an authority in itself -- which, to be fair, is already a risk for any search engine, but since this one is more domain-focused, it's possible that some users could overdevelop a sense that the results are accurate and complete)
- richardbarosky 5y agoThis is stated in simple language on the terms page, which is linked at the top/middle of every page. You have to decide between putting the same text on every page vs. a high visibility place vs. a low visibility place. I opted for 2nd to make sure it's clear.
- Simon_O_Rourke 5y agoSearched my former boss on this. Hoooo doggy, I knew he was up to some questionable financial practices, but it looks like it caught up with him.
- cryptnotic 5y agoToday I learned that 20 years ago I was a defendant in an unlawful detainer (eviction) lawsuit regarding an apartment I shared in college. I had moved out of the apartment after graduation. Apparently my roommate stopped paying the rent and the landlord sued both of us. I was never served and didn't know about the case until now.
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- reaperducer 5y agoToday I learned that my boss has a lead foot. 15 speeding tickets in six states, all over 85 MPH.
- amelius 5y agoSounds like a privacy nightmare, though.
- tinco 5y agoWhy? There's no private information being shared right?
- amelius 5y agoNot officially, no. But that's not the only possible interpretation.
- spaetzleesser 5y agoTechnically no but it makes a difference if you have all that information available easily through the internet vs having to put some effort into obtaining the records one by one. Same goes for surveillance: technically you have no reasonable expectation of privacy in public spaces but once it becomes feasible that somebody can plaster a whole state/country with cameras and can analyze the data automatically it gets a little scary. I think a lot of privacy rules need to be revised in the context of current and future technological capabilities.
- ChrisMarshallNY 5y agoTIL that a lot of sad MFers share my name... This tool is awesome, but, in knucklehead hands, could be fairly awful.
- stjohnswarts 5y agoNot sure how good this on a "regular citizen" level. I tried several drug/alcohol related incidents that I knew about and nothing came up.
- astura 5y agoSeems to completely lack records from some states. I searched a close friend's last name and I got all the stuff I expected - his civil suit, his divorce, his sister's paternity suit, a foreclosure involving his cousin. Seemed very complete. Searched my own last name and a whole bunch of records of my uncle's various criminal activities came up. Surprisingly what was missing was records of my dad's various criminal activities. My friend, my dad, and my uncle all live in three different states. My dad is currently incarcerated.
- agumonkey 5y agooh these includes patents, weird
- lol768 5y agoYeah - is there no way to filter out patents? Bit frustrating.
- richardbarosky 5y agoThe best way currently is to just add -patent to the search.
- MajorBee 5y agoPhrase exclusion syntax is described in Search Tips. For patents, it’s appending -patent to your search term.
- hammock 5y agoThis is unbelievable. It has speeding tickets.
- throwaway-PII 5y agoThe fact that this is free is mind boggling. Maybe four or five years ago I had access to a commercial court search API which had 850mn cases nationwide, and it cost a pretty penny.
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- supernova87a 5y agoI know there is some open source (?) effort to publish and give access to court cases instead of having it behind a paid subscription channeled through the federal court system. Does anyone know how that's going? And also, are only the primary filings of the court and parties available to be searched? What happens to depositions, evidence records, etc. that are part of the case? Are those ever available to the public?
- richardbarosky 5y agoIt sounds like you're referring to this: Open Courts Act of 2021 Some commentary at these links: - https://free.law/pacer-facts https://free.law/pacer-facts - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/20/pacer-court-records-225821/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/20/pacer-cou... - https://abovethelaw.com/legal-innovation-center/2021/03/11/the-open-courts-act-modernizing-pacer-and-realizing-criminal-justice-reform/ https://abovethelaw.com/legal-innovation-center/2021/03/11/t... - https://unicourt.com/blog/modernizing-pacer-realizing-criminal-justice-reform/ https://unicourt.com/blog/modernizing-pacer-realizing-crimin...
- bradknowles 5y agoYou should be able to do an exact match search here. Trying to use double quotes on my name turns up a boatload of hits, but most of them appear to be cases where my first name is found somewhere on the page, and somewhere else my last name is found somewhere on the page. It should also be possible to limit the search by city, state, and or region, as well as by timeframe. Not very useful.
- richardbarosky 5y agoExact match searches are supported. Can you give an example? Also, to limit by other qualifiers you can add those to the search criteria. However, the search isn't field-specific and so that ability can be done loose-ly (like Google) and not in a strict field-by-field sense. It's difficult and time consuming, but something that could improve the search.
- bradknowles 5y agoHow are exact match searches supported? There is absolutely no evidence on the page that this is possible. How does searching for “brad knowles” match “brad alan knowles”, when I put my name in quotes? How does it match a case where “brad knowles” does not appear to be used anywhere on the page, but where one line matches “knowles” and then another line matches “brad”?
- richardbarosky 5y ago"brad knowles" - 14 results returned. The exact phrase is found in each. brad knowles - 1925 results returned, which include results with brad and knowles in the text, where close proximity cases are ranked higher. Results with brad and knowles further apart will be ranked toward the bottom. When you use quotes above, I'm not sure if that means what's in quotes above is what you searched or that you searched with quotes, but based on these checks and what I see, exact match searches as well as weighting without use of exact match quotes is working correctly.
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- mikewarot 5y agoIt found my 2 patents, cool!
- bitxbitxbitcoin 5y agoFound out an article I wrote in 2014 was cited in a patent application and found a speeding ticket I paid off. Cool!
- weird-eye-issue 5y agoI have a speeding ticket listed as "Criminal" in here... That's news to me
- richardbarosky 5y agoHmm, sounds like a broad classification associated with the record. In the broadest sense, I think all cases are defined as either civil or criminal.
- weird-eye-issue 5y agoI see another speeding ticket listed as "Non Criminal". I've got another ticket not listed as anything and actually it has my full DOB and previous address, cool
- heavyset_go 5y ago> I've got another ticket not listed as anything and actually it has my full DOB and previous address, cool If it's a street you grew up on, what banks do you use? ;)
- weird-eye-issue 5y agoChase, why?
- heavyset_go 5y agoI was making a joke because some basic info like name, DOB and address are enough to get into a bank account if the password was forgotten, especially if you know the answer to security questions like "What is the name of the street you grew up on?"
- weird-eye-issue 5y agoYeah I was joking too
- linuxhansl 5y agoFunny. I found my various software patents in there. For most of them - even though they are my patents - I cannot determine from the patent what it is that I have invented.
- ww520 5y agoThis is great. I tried it and found the traffic tickets I got.
- raegis 5y agoI can't find any of mine. I always did traffic school, so I suppose that's why.
- gitgud 5y agoIs this what Aaron Swartz was trying to achieve [1] here? [1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/02/the-inside-story-of-aaron-swartzs-campaign-to-liberate-court-filings/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/02/the-inside-story...
- stefan_ 5y agoNo, this is just "metadata" more or less - who was sued by whom over what and what were the individual events in the case. PACER has the individual filings - the complaints, briefs and orders and so on.
- chmod775 5y agoThere's quite a few court cases with the string "ASDF". Are people just being lazy? https://www.judyrecords.com/record/vfa3d40l07812 https://www.judyrecords.com/record/vfa3d40l07812
- foolinaround 5y agothis is excellent with super fast results. What is the tech stack?
- richardbarosky 5y agoThank you! Replied to this comment here with some additional info: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30399881#unv_30400160 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30399881#unv_30400160
- heavyset_go 5y agoCool, I guess. I'm not really a fan of anything that can be used to further persecute people who have already paid their debts to society. I know this is public information, but the information itself has been relatively opaque for generations. Beyond mild curiosity, the only paying customers for a service like this will be groups like employers, schools, creditors, landlords etc. It removes the pain around paid background checks, and it includes data that was already legally expunged. The fact that it includes data that was legally expunged actually makes this service more valuable than traditional background checks to certain types of people.
- asimilator 5y agoLegal research services (access to dockets, case text, etc.) tend to be extremely expensive. I think making that more widely available is a good thing for people with limited resources. It's kind of nuts how impenetrable the legal system is if you don't have any resources.
- richardbarosky 5y agoGreat point. It's extremely difficult to represent yourself pro se if you don't have access to information about how cases like yours might unfold, arguments that have been used, how well those arguments have worked, how the cases have been decided, whether a company has settled a similar case as yours, and so on.
- arcticbull 5y agoIs that really a bad thing? Nobody should be representing themselves because they have no idea beyond Law and Order what all is supposed to be happening around them. That's why you get a complementary attorney if you can't afford one. It's just too important to risk no? Like DIY surgery. It's quite expensive and impenetrable to be doing your own appendectomy and I'm not mad about that. In both cases you could if you really had to but a high barrier to entry for me is not a bug but a feature.
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- bredren 5y agoMaryland driver with license plate “HIJINKS” pleads guilty to speeding ticket https://www.judyrecords.com/record/r28qv86bva834 https://www.judyrecords.com/record/r28qv86bva834
- gallerdude 5y agoWhat the heck does this use to search so fast? We use Elastic at work, and for 100K entries, it crawls compares to this.
- richardbarosky 5y agoThanks! Replied to this comment here with some additional info: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30399881#unv_30400160 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30399881#unv_30400160
- momothereal 5y agoSounds like you're resource-starving it if it crawls at 100k. Either that or ES is perhaps not your bottleneck?
- spoonjim 5y agoI discovered that I have an open warrant for an unpaid fine and will get that sorted out. Very useful site
- motohagiography 5y agoAs a corpus for ML training, I'd be interested in whether there are linguistic predictors for court victories in opening statements and whether optimizing for them could yield an advantage.
- vadiml 5y agoPage 1 of 2,970 total cases for: donald trump
- sketchyj 5y agoPage 1 of 2,685 total cases for: william jefferson clinton
- jtmlis 5y agoIs there a Canadian version? Or something similar within a Canadian context.
- richardbarosky 5y agoGood question. Not that I'm aware of.
- rnotaro 5y agoIn Quebec, we have the SOQUIJ (Société québécoise d'information juridique) [1] that allow you to search court cases. Other provinces might have something similar. [1] http://citoyens.soquij.qc.ca/ http://citoyens.soquij.qc.ca/
- richardbarosky 5y agoStumbled on this: https://www.canlii.org/en/ https://www.canlii.org/en/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/swy4ge/comment/hxphecp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/swy4ge/comment...
- jordanpg 5y agoHow is this different from other free legal DBs like Justia and Casetext?
- richardbarosky 5y agoJustia is a general legal info portal and has many high-level court opinions within that portal. Casetext is primarily legal research software and has many US/state codes within its database. (https://casetext.com/coverage https://casetext.com/coverage) I think the broad strokes are right in that summary. judyrecords has many more cases than Justia or casetext. More than 600M+ if I had to guess quick.
- YPPH 5y agoDoes anyone know why American court opinions tend to omit the word "the" before plaintiff and defendant? For instance "Afterwards plaintiff sued defendant claiming damages". In Australia and the UK, this would be "Afterwards the plaintiff sued the defendant claiming damages". In general US opinions seem more concise and formulaic than their Anglo counterparts. This is just one striking example. I'm just curious about the origin of this distinction. Perhaps there is some text on concise legal writing prescribed at US law schools which offers such a suggestion? Another curious difference, it's an opinion in the US, a decision or judgment in Australia/UK.
- NightMKoder 5y agoAren’t those usually capitalized as well? I’ve always though that style in legal texts means “a proper noun defined previously” - in case of plaintiff and defendant, probably on the first page. That said I have no legal background so take that with a grain of salt.
- YPPH 5y agoThey would appear capitalised on the cover page, not generally in text. Here is a recent example from a 2022 SCOTUS opinion. "In rejecting petitioners’ allegations, the Seventh Circuit did not apply Tibble’s guidance. [...] The court determined that respondents had provided an adequate array of choices, including “the types of funds plaintiffs wanted (low-cost index funds).”"[0] By contrast, a decision of the High Court of Australia: "The appellants applied to the Supreme Court of New South Wales for orders that the third respondent, a former director of Arrium, appear for examination and produce documents. Orders were also sought for the second respondent (the auditor) and the bank who advised on the capital raising to produce certain documents.[1] [0] https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/595/19-1401/ https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/595/19-1401/ [1] https://eresources.hcourt.gov.au/showCase/2022/HCA/3 https://eresources.hcourt.gov.au/showCase/2022/HCA/3
- imajoredinecon 5y agoGuessing: it’s an old legal system (not in relative terms, perhaps, but 250 years is a decent chunk of time) and a bunch of the language has stayed pretty similar over time.
- MaknMoreGtnLess 5y agoOP, Will you consider allowing download of the actual dataset? (WikiPedia style) If not, what would hold you back from doing so? I would be OK hosting a mirror of this service including the infrastructure (and handling the associated costs) if it helps.
- richardbarosky 5y agoUsing Apache mpm prefork and server load < 1. 132 busy workers. Not bad. https://ibb.co/4J7STV6 https://ibb.co/4J7STV6 https://ibb.co/NYwWd3T https://ibb.co/NYwWd3T
- Brajeshwar 5y ago[EDIT] Sorry everyone and thanks everyone for the sentiments. I have been advised not to write anything public about this further. This may be nothing and this will also pass. Unfortunately, I've to delete my comment here. About: IBM seem to have stolen my idea and patented it. I have the full source code, and multiple proofs that I'm the owner.
- richardbarosky 5y agoThat's pretty unbelievable, wow.
- Brajeshwar 5y agoLesson learnt, if you have an idea, even most mundane, boring one; don't just go about writing it openly -- there are too many IBMs that will claim as their own.
- richardbarosky 5y agoDo you have any references to the post? Original post/diagrams or other references?
- born-jre 5y agoyes more specialized search engines :D
- gamekathu 5y agoI'm always amazed at the rampant patent trolling that happens with deep learning papers/ideas. In this dump, if you search with the names of famous researchers in ML (such as Yoshua Bengio [1] or Yann Lecun [2]) you will find 100s of troll patents citing their work. Not all of them are troll though. Maybe this corpus can be used to automatically identify them, perhaps by merging data from arxiv? [1] https://www.judyrecords.com/record/vibvgc4w4e2bc https://www.judyrecords.com/record/vibvgc4w4e2bc [2] https://www.judyrecords.com/record/v9kbckceib0c9 https://www.judyrecords.com/record/v9kbckceib0c9
- motyar 5y agoWhy patents are there? https://www.judyrecords.com/record/v5j59cngw2c8e https://www.judyrecords.com/record/v5j59cngw2c8e
- richardbarosky 5y agoYou can think of a patent as a legally binding decision itself, and a kind of legal case in its own right.
- motyar 5y agoEven I can see my gist links in cases https://www.judyrecords.com/record/va3htxa9i5abd https://www.judyrecords.com/record/va3htxa9i5abd
- tptacek 5y agoThis is wild, I have so many speeding ticket judgements. I forgot I’d ever set foot in Idaho.
- i_like_apis 5y agoThus sucks for anyone who has bad stuff in their past and is trying to live it down. It used to be what happened in the past could be put to rest. Not good for society.
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- richardbarosky 5y agoSo a public records search amounts to that?
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- zmix 5y agoI wonder, what technology the database is implemented in.
- pseingatl 5y agoA lot of commentators are missing the point. Caselaw is what lawyers rely on to determine what the law is. For years, there was a monopoly, the privately-held West Corporation in Minnesota. In the 1970s, the field became a duopoly, with the advent of Lexis. West eventually sold out to Thompson, the company is now Thompson-West. Computer-assisted legal research was extremely expensive. The Air Force set up FLITE, but efforts to access their database of cases failed. Manual research is effective, but paper publication meant you ran the risk of not knowing yesterday's results. In the 90's with the advent of the Internet, a lot of new players moved into the scene; some more successful than the others. Public-interest organizations sued for access to the cases, which, after all, were all in the public domain. There was a Washington-based group that called the caselaw the "Crown Jewels" of this effort--though EDGAR filings probably have more significance for the public. Time has provided a solution; access to anything older than the most recent 400 volumes of the Federal Reporter is really not needed, as any Thompson-West salesman will tell you. But these efforts to open caselaw to the public is not scammy and has nothing to do with shaming. In the United States, these cases state the law which governs our lives. I'm glad they've succeeded in the effort.
- VikingCoder 5y agoReally neat. I found my dad's DUI. He went into rehab and cleaned up. I got to spend more than a decade with a sober father, before lung cancer got him.
- leoxvi 5y agoNice. Could you add a URL-parameter for the search-term, so it is possible to link to a query?
- nickstinemates 5y agoCrazy
- sobkas 5y agoYou better not earn any money on this... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/05/all-of-mugshots-coms-alleged-co-owners-arrested-on-extortion-charges/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/05/all-of-mugshots-...
- richardbarosky 5y agoCan you explain your thought process? How is that related?
- extortomatic 5y agoNot the original poster but: Your service costs money to run. You're not, so far as I can tell, a recognized non-profit doing this out of the goodness of your heart. Given that you're not running ads, all the monetization angles are yucky. The search query stream of your site alone is immediately monetizable for targeting by "legitimate businesses" who sell "reputation management services." (People who expect to find records are searching for their own names. People who suspect others might have records are searching for those names. Source: see every second comment on this topic) Notably, nothing in your terms suggests this isn't already your business model - you don't need to collect or retain personal information about the visitors to your site to monetize the search query stream. In fact, it's probably "better" not to collect PII, because then you can claim that the search queries are "just strings the visitor provided voluntarily" and that you have no idea whose names those are. Also: your dataset is littered with records that are properly under seal, including juvenile records. You are NOT relieved of potential liability for disseminating these just because they're included in your dragnet, should they be found through your service and used in a way that causes actual damages. I'd strongly caution anyone against using this site at all, much less searching names. This site is plausably an input to an extortion machine at scale.
- freediver 5y agoGreat job Richard. Do you have or plan to have an API avaialble? We (Kagi Search) would like to use this.
- sharken 5y agoCool project, it led me to a patent filing which is also a part of court cases i guess. Anyway, now i know someone have tried to patent a scooter that looks like a firetruck. https://insight.rpxcorp.com/patent/USD552186S1 https://insight.rpxcorp.com/patent/USD552186S1
- fastaguy88 5y agoWow. What a resource. Do a search for "cDNA patent" and read how many things the Supreme Court can get wrong in just a few paragraphs. (Hint: cDNA is not "composite DNA").
- pwned1 5y agoDo you really need to include divorce cases?
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 5y agoSimple judyrecords continuation search from command line. Requires sed, netcat, stunnel and flex. setup: flex -8iCrf 045.l; cc -std=c89 -Wall -pedantic -pipe lex.yy.c -static -o yy045; flex -8iCrf 046.l; cc -std=c89 -Wall -pedantic -pipe lex.yy.c -static -o yy046; stunnel 1.cfg echo 127.39.100.156 www.judyrecords.com >> /etc/hosts; usage: 1.sh query > results.htm 1.sh < results.htm >> results.htm #!/bin/sh # http/1.1 pipelining: only allowed 3 req then connection closes :( x0=$(printf '\r\n'); x1=www.judyrecords.com; x2=$(printf 'host: '${x1}'\r\n'); x4=$(printf 'connection: close\r\n\r\n'); case $# in :) ;;0) # get next page x5=$(sed -n '1{s/.*x3 //;s/ .*//p;}; /Go to next page/{s/.*href=\"//;s/\".*//p;}'); x6=$(echo "${x5}"|sed -n \$p); x5=$(echo "${x5}"|sed -n 1p); test "${x5}" -a "${x6}"||exit 1; sed "s/ *//" <<eof|nc -vv ${x1} 80|yy045; GET ${x6} HTTP/1.1 ${x2} cookie: ${x5} ${x4} eof ;;*) # get cookie (x3), then get 1st page S=$(echo "$@"|yy046); x3=$(sed "s/ *//" <<eof|nc -vv ${x1} 80|sed -n "s/.*session=/session=/;s/\;.*/${x0}/p"; GET /addSearchJob?search="$S" HTTP/1.1 ${x2} ${x4} eof );echo "<!-- x3 ${x3} -->"|sed "s/${x0}//g"; echo "<base href=https://${x1} />"; sed "s/ *//" <<eof|nc -vv ${x1} 80|yy045 GET /getSearchResults/?page=1 HTTP/1.1 ${x2} cookie: ${x3} ${x4} eof esac; exit 1.cfg: debug=debug pid=/tmp/1.pid foreground=no [ judyrecords ] accept=127.39.100.156:80 client=yes connect=54.39.100.156:443 options=NO_TICKET options=NO_RENEGOTIATION renegotiation=no sni= sslVersion=TLSv1.3 045.l: /* chunked transfer decode */ /* do not use when carving out attachments, e.g., PDFs */ int fileno (FILE *); xa "\15"|"\12" xb "\15\12" %option noyywrap nounput noinput %% ^[A-Fa-f0-9]+{xa} {xa}+[A-Fa-f0-9]+{xa} {xb}[A-Fa-f0-9]+{xb} %% int main(){ yylex();exit(0);} 046.l: /* URL encode */ int fileno(FILE *); #define p(x,y) {putchar(37);putchar(x);putchar(y);} %option nounput noinput noyywrap %% \x20 p(50,48); /* space */ \x21 p(50,49); /* exclamation mark */ \x22 p(50,50); /* double quote */ \x23 p(50,51); /* pound sign */ \x24 p(50,52); /* dollar sign */ \x25 p(50,53); /* percent sign */ \x26 p(50,54); /* ampersand */ \x27 p(50,55); /* single quote */ \x28 p(50,56); /* opening parenthesis */ \x29 p(50,57); /* closing parenthesis */ \x2A p(50,42); /* asterisk */ \x2B p(50,43); /* plus sign */ \x2C p(50,44); /* comma */ \x2F p(50,47); /* forward slash */ \x3A p(51,58); /* colon */ \x3B p(51,59); /* semi-colon */ \x3C p(51,60); /* less than */ \x3D p(51,61); /* equals sign */ \x3E p(51,62); /* greater than */ \x3F p(51,63); /* question mark */ \x40 p(52,64); /* cuneiform */ \x5B p(53,91); /* opening bracket */ \x5C p(53,92); /* backslash */ \x5D p(53,93); /* closing bracket */ \x5E p(53,94); /* caret */ \x60 p(53,96); /* backquote */ \x7B p(53,123); /* opening brace */ \x7C p(53,124); /* vertical bar */ \x7D p(53,125); /* closing brace */ \15 %% int main(){ yylex();exit(0);}