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There's no "loss of mandate". The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Canadians r

There's no "loss of mandate". The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Canadians re-elected Trudeau during the pandemic. The issue is that Ottawa Police were afraid of media backlash if they did any crowd control for the initial "protest" weekend. This allowed the occupiers to move in heavy machinery as barricades. When the weekend ended and the trucks didn't move, they realized they were dealing with something closer to an insurrection than a protest, and they've been impotent to stop it since. THe people of Ottawa overwhelmingly support ending the occupation. It has terrorized women, queer people and people of color on the streets. They've been violent and confrontational with front-line workers, which forced two grocery stores to close their doors, plus a large mall. There have been two documented attempts to burn down residential apartment buildings and trap the occupants inside. This weekend hundreds of Ottawa residents marched in a counter-protest, and also blocked the road and held up a convoy of trucks for more than 8 hours. The occupiers are a small group of people who are acting badly - shitting in the streets, getting drunk, blaring their horns, and using their children as human shields. Everyone will celebrate when they're gone for good.

YarickR2 5y ago
Everyone or hundreds of residents ?
torstenvl 5y ago
> There's no "loss of mandate" https://angusreid.org/trudeau-tracker/ https://angusreid.org/trudeau-tracker/ "A new Angus Reid poll showed that 54% of Canadians support an immediate halt to all pandemic restrictions, a stark contrast to the 56% who said as recently as in December they would have supported another round of lockdowns over Omicron." https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2022/02/13/2662060/half-of-canadians-say-trudeau-not-up-to-job-poll/amp https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2022/02/13/2662060/half-o...
- pkd 5y ago
  You didn't actually link to an article on Angus Reid. Here's one: > As the country rolls into another week of uncertainty, nearly three-quarters of Canadians (72%) say the time has come for protesters to “go home, they have made their point.” https://angusreid.org/trudeau-convoy-trucker-protest-vaccine-mandates-covid-19/ https://angusreid.org/trudeau-convoy-trucker-protest-vaccine...
  - gruez 5y ago
    Only 22% of US voters have favorable opinion of antifa. Should accounts associated with them be frozen as well? https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/social_issues/voters_still_see_antifa_as_more_trouble_than_good https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/cur...
    - pkd 5y ago
      The context of my comment was the claim that there was "loss of mandate", not whether freezing bank accounts of any group is legal or advisable.
- ryanbrunner 5y ago
  That's a editorialized quote. The source survey didn't say anything about "immediately" or "all" restrictions. The specific question was "It’s time to end restrictions and let people self isolate if they’re at risk.", which describes basically the process that basically all provinces were going through prior to the protests.
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rafale 5y ago
You lost me at "closer to an insurrection".
- gotoeleven 5y ago
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- philistine 5y ago
  Their core demand up until two days ago was to depose our current federal government and replace it with a their own government. When is a cat not a cat? How clear must it be for you to understand?
  - ed25519FUUU 5y ago
    Sounds like basically every protest since the summer of 2020.
    - ryanbrunner 5y ago
      Name me a protest since 2020 that had a specific and documented demand to appeal to a head of state to remove a democratically elected government and replace it with a "people's council" composed entirely of the protestors?
      - zthrowaway 5y ago
        CHAZ/CHOP comes close. BLM and antifa decided it was better to just light federal buildings on fire with the intent of killing police inside.
        ryanbrunner 5y ago
        That seems completely unrelated - it's a fair comparison to the actions of the protest itself (occupying a section of a downtown), but I'm not aware of any specific CHAZ / CHOP demands to permanently change the makeup or structure of any level of government, especially federal.
daenz 5y ago
>The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Then why require the mandate? I haven't seen any answer to that question besides the implied: "because we demand full compliance."
- bawolff 5y ago
  Well yes. Vaccines are most effective on a population level.
- sailingparrot 5y ago
  Because otherwise there is approximately nothing the federal government can do to end the blockade if the protestor don't leave by themselves. No matter if most of the population want it to end. This allows the federal government to send the army if necessary (although Trudeau said they wouldn't), allows the police to fine and detain protestor that do not want to leave the blockade. And allows the federal government to require private companies to provide services, in this case towing companies to tow the rigs. It also allows for freezing bank accounts of e.g. companies that have trucks participating in the blockade without a court mandate. I think, but I am not sure, that this only applies to "strategic sites", in this case the border and maybe highways. Protester blocking a random street in Ottawa may not be concerned. So, why require the mandate: To prevent the slim minority of truckers participating in the blockade from impacting everyone else for months.
  - akomtu 5y ago
    A proper answer would be to lift the mandate to vaccinate all truckers, because it doesn't make any sense anyway, give them 2 days to clear the roads, and bring in troops if they refuse. Problem is, Trudeau's ego is too big to yield to a bunch of unwashed truckers.
    - sailingparrot 5y ago
      Except Trudeau lifting the mandate would not change anything since this is also a requirements by the US for truckers to cross. But sure, it's all because of Trudeau's ego. "beginning in early January 2022, DHS will require that all inbound foreign national travelers crossing U.S. land or ferry POEs – whether for essential or non-essential reasons – be fully vaccinated for COVID-19 and provide related proof of vaccination. This approach will provide ample time for essential travelers such as truckers, students, and healthcare workers to get vaccinated." https://www.dhs.gov/news/2021/10/12/secretary-mayorkas-allow-fully-vaccinated-travelers-canada-and-mexico-enter-us-land https://www.dhs.gov/news/2021/10/12/secretary-mayorkas-allow...
harryf 5y ago
> It has terrorized women, queer people and people of color on the streets. Seriously? This smells like an attempt to paint the truckers as extreme right. Any quality sources for that claim?
- ed25519FUUU 5y ago
- _whiteCaps_ 5y ago
  https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-major-players-in-the-trucker-convoy-protest-1.5776441 https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-majo... > PAT KING: Pat King is a far-right protester who has said in videos posted to social media that there may be future plans to target politicians' homes and that "the only way that this is going to be solved is with bullets." He has called for the arrest of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly. > King has gained attention online for a video posted to Twitter in which he decries the "depopulation" of white people, as well as another video posted in 2019 in which he makes racist remarks about Jewish, Muslim, and Chinese people.
- itsamoreh 5y ago
  Just google "Ottawa protests harassment". There are tons of articles. "Health care workers in Ottawa are being harassed protesters against COVID-19 mandates" - https://www.npr.org/2022/02/12/1080354245/health-care-workers-in-ottawa-are-being-harassed-protesters-against-covid-19-man https://www.npr.org/2022/02/12/1080354245/health-care-worker... "Unruly protesters prompt early closure of two downtown grocery stores" - https://ottawacitizen.com/news/unruly-protesters-prompt-early-closure-of-two-downtown-grocery-stores https://ottawacitizen.com/news/unruly-protesters-prompt-earl... "Ottawa police issue 825 more tickets, respond to reports of protesters ‘harassing children’" - https://ottawa.citynews.ca/police-beat/ottawa-police-issue-825-more-tickets-respond-to-reports-of-protesters-harassing-children-5057726 https://ottawa.citynews.ca/police-beat/ottawa-police-issue-8... > Police have said they are concerned about how the convoy has attracted far-right and extremist elements, and on Sunday confirmed they were dealing with more than 60 criminal investigations, with alleged offences including "mischief, thefts, hate crimes and property damage". - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60281088 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60281088 "Canada: Ottawa protests full of 'hate propaganda'" - https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/canada-ottawa-protests-full-hate-propaganda https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/canada-ottawa-prot...
Khaine 5y ago
One can be vaccinated and oppose the mandates.
newsclues 5y ago
I have yet to see any data that supports the assertion that Canadians are still happy with masks and other restrictions. The few polls in the news tend to be small sample sizes, and tend to be from biased pools of respondents. Basically it’s not good data it’s just politically manipulated numbers to support their policy.
- bregma 5y ago
  None of us are happy with masks and restrictions. We all want them to end. That doesn't mean we're in a hurry to cull the weak, the elderly, and the infirm rapidly by exposing them to this virus a quickly and easily, which is what would still happen at this point in the pandemic.
- BeefWellington 5y ago
  I don't know that you'd ever find a poll that claimed Canadians are "happy with masks and other restrictions." Believing something to be necessary to minimize death toll and being happy about it are VASTLY different things.
Banana699 5y ago
>It has terrorized women, queer people and people of color on the streets. What did they do to terrorize those identities specifically and what did/do they benefit from it?
inter_netuser 5y ago
Liberals ran on passports/restrictions and lost seats. The majority just took the injections to keep the job. Booster uptake is below 50%, because it’s not required. Pretty much every business in deep-liberal cities at this point simply ignores restrictions. What mandate? Seems like there wasn’t one in the first place.
gorwell 5y ago
You're being mislead by corporate and party line propaganda. Over 1.6 million people tweeted about the Canadian trucker protests over the country’s vaccine mandates, reaching about 330 million users. Of the top 100 most retweeted tweets on the topic, 79% were in support of the protests. https://twitter.com/NarrativesProj/status/1493612198568017921 https://twitter.com/NarrativesProj/status/149361219856801792...

YarickR2 5y ago

Everyone or hundreds of residents ?

torstenvl 5y ago

> There's no "loss of mandate" https://angusreid.org/trudeau-tracker/ https://angusreid.org/trudeau-tracker/ "A new Angus Reid poll showed that 54% of Canadians support an immediate halt to all pandemic restrictions, a stark contrast to the 56% who said as recently as in December they would have supported another round of lockdowns over Omicron." https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2022/02/13/2662060/half-of-canadians-say-trudeau-not-up-to-job-poll/amp https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2022/02/13/2662060/half-o...

pkd 5y ago
You didn't actually link to an article on Angus Reid. Here's one: > As the country rolls into another week of uncertainty, nearly three-quarters of Canadians (72%) say the time has come for protesters to “go home, they have made their point.” https://angusreid.org/trudeau-convoy-trucker-protest-vaccine-mandates-covid-19/ https://angusreid.org/trudeau-convoy-trucker-protest-vaccine...
- gruez 5y ago
  Only 22% of US voters have favorable opinion of antifa. Should accounts associated with them be frozen as well? https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/social_issues/voters_still_see_antifa_as_more_trouble_than_good https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/cur...
  - pkd 5y ago
    The context of my comment was the claim that there was "loss of mandate", not whether freezing bank accounts of any group is legal or advisable.
ryanbrunner 5y ago
That's a editorialized quote. The source survey didn't say anything about "immediately" or "all" restrictions. The specific question was "It’s time to end restrictions and let people self isolate if they’re at risk.", which describes basically the process that basically all provinces were going through prior to the protests.

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rafale 5y ago

You lost me at "closer to an insurrection".

gotoeleven 5y ago
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philistine 5y ago
Their core demand up until two days ago was to depose our current federal government and replace it with a their own government. When is a cat not a cat? How clear must it be for you to understand?
- ed25519FUUU 5y ago
  Sounds like basically every protest since the summer of 2020.
  - ryanbrunner 5y ago
    Name me a protest since 2020 that had a specific and documented demand to appeal to a head of state to remove a democratically elected government and replace it with a "people's council" composed entirely of the protestors?
    - zthrowaway 5y ago
      CHAZ/CHOP comes close. BLM and antifa decided it was better to just light federal buildings on fire with the intent of killing police inside.
      - ryanbrunner 5y ago
        That seems completely unrelated - it's a fair comparison to the actions of the protest itself (occupying a section of a downtown), but I'm not aware of any specific CHAZ / CHOP demands to permanently change the makeup or structure of any level of government, especially federal.

daenz 5y ago

>The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Then why require the mandate? I haven't seen any answer to that question besides the implied: "because we demand full compliance."

bawolff 5y ago
Well yes. Vaccines are most effective on a population level.
sailingparrot 5y ago
Because otherwise there is approximately nothing the federal government can do to end the blockade if the protestor don't leave by themselves. No matter if most of the population want it to end. This allows the federal government to send the army if necessary (although Trudeau said they wouldn't), allows the police to fine and detain protestor that do not want to leave the blockade. And allows the federal government to require private companies to provide services, in this case towing companies to tow the rigs. It also allows for freezing bank accounts of e.g. companies that have trucks participating in the blockade without a court mandate. I think, but I am not sure, that this only applies to "strategic sites", in this case the border and maybe highways. Protester blocking a random street in Ottawa may not be concerned. So, why require the mandate: To prevent the slim minority of truckers participating in the blockade from impacting everyone else for months.
- akomtu 5y ago
  A proper answer would be to lift the mandate to vaccinate all truckers, because it doesn't make any sense anyway, give them 2 days to clear the roads, and bring in troops if they refuse. Problem is, Trudeau's ego is too big to yield to a bunch of unwashed truckers.
  - sailingparrot 5y ago
    Except Trudeau lifting the mandate would not change anything since this is also a requirements by the US for truckers to cross. But sure, it's all because of Trudeau's ego. "beginning in early January 2022, DHS will require that all inbound foreign national travelers crossing U.S. land or ferry POEs – whether for essential or non-essential reasons – be fully vaccinated for COVID-19 and provide related proof of vaccination. This approach will provide ample time for essential travelers such as truckers, students, and healthcare workers to get vaccinated." https://www.dhs.gov/news/2021/10/12/secretary-mayorkas-allow-fully-vaccinated-travelers-canada-and-mexico-enter-us-land https://www.dhs.gov/news/2021/10/12/secretary-mayorkas-allow...

harryf 5y ago

> It has terrorized women, queer people and people of color on the streets. Seriously? This smells like an attempt to paint the truckers as extreme right. Any quality sources for that claim?

ed25519FUUU 5y ago
_whiteCaps_ 5y ago
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-major-players-in-the-trucker-convoy-protest-1.5776441 https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-majo... > PAT KING: Pat King is a far-right protester who has said in videos posted to social media that there may be future plans to target politicians' homes and that "the only way that this is going to be solved is with bullets." He has called for the arrest of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly. > King has gained attention online for a video posted to Twitter in which he decries the "depopulation" of white people, as well as another video posted in 2019 in which he makes racist remarks about Jewish, Muslim, and Chinese people.
itsamoreh 5y ago
Just google "Ottawa protests harassment". There are tons of articles. "Health care workers in Ottawa are being harassed protesters against COVID-19 mandates" - https://www.npr.org/2022/02/12/1080354245/health-care-workers-in-ottawa-are-being-harassed-protesters-against-covid-19-man https://www.npr.org/2022/02/12/1080354245/health-care-worker... "Unruly protesters prompt early closure of two downtown grocery stores" - https://ottawacitizen.com/news/unruly-protesters-prompt-early-closure-of-two-downtown-grocery-stores https://ottawacitizen.com/news/unruly-protesters-prompt-earl... "Ottawa police issue 825 more tickets, respond to reports of protesters ‘harassing children’" - https://ottawa.citynews.ca/police-beat/ottawa-police-issue-825-more-tickets-respond-to-reports-of-protesters-harassing-children-5057726 https://ottawa.citynews.ca/police-beat/ottawa-police-issue-8... > Police have said they are concerned about how the convoy has attracted far-right and extremist elements, and on Sunday confirmed they were dealing with more than 60 criminal investigations, with alleged offences including "mischief, thefts, hate crimes and property damage". - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60281088 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60281088 "Canada: Ottawa protests full of 'hate propaganda'" - https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/canada-ottawa-protests-full-hate-propaganda https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/canada-ottawa-prot...

Khaine 5y ago

One can be vaccinated and oppose the mandates.

newsclues 5y ago

I have yet to see any data that supports the assertion that Canadians are still happy with masks and other restrictions. The few polls in the news tend to be small sample sizes, and tend to be from biased pools of respondents. Basically it’s not good data it’s just politically manipulated numbers to support their policy.

bregma 5y ago
None of us are happy with masks and restrictions. We all want them to end. That doesn't mean we're in a hurry to cull the weak, the elderly, and the infirm rapidly by exposing them to this virus a quickly and easily, which is what would still happen at this point in the pandemic.
BeefWellington 5y ago
I don't know that you'd ever find a poll that claimed Canadians are "happy with masks and other restrictions." Believing something to be necessary to minimize death toll and being happy about it are VASTLY different things.

Banana699 5y ago

>It has terrorized women, queer people and people of color on the streets. What did they do to terrorize those identities specifically and what did/do they benefit from it?

inter_netuser 5y ago

Liberals ran on passports/restrictions and lost seats. The majority just took the injections to keep the job. Booster uptake is below 50%, because it’s not required. Pretty much every business in deep-liberal cities at this point simply ignores restrictions. What mandate? Seems like there wasn’t one in the first place.

gorwell 5y ago

You're being mislead by corporate and party line propaganda. Over 1.6 million people tweeted about the Canadian trucker protests over the country’s vaccine mandates, reaching about 330 million users. Of the top 100 most retweeted tweets on the topic, 79% were in support of the protests. https://twitter.com/NarrativesProj/status/1493612198568017921 https://twitter.com/NarrativesProj/status/149361219856801792...