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> As mentioned in our “Take a look inside Steam Deck” video, you have every right to open up your Steam Deck and do what you want with it. The fact that they w

> As mentioned in our “Take a look inside Steam Deck” video, you have every right to open up your Steam Deck and do what you want with it. The fact that they wrote this into the readme, even though strictly speaking it's unrelated to the outside topology, makes me wanna work for valve. They're seriously one of only a few tech companies I really admire, and that's despite the fact that I don't have much inclination towards gaming.

coding123 5y ago
If you get a job there can you BEG them to make Left 4 Dead 3
- sphars 5y ago
  Or any third installment in any of their games: HL3, L4D3, TF3, Portal 3, DOTA3
  - zitterbewegung 5y ago
    Counter Strike had more than a third installment and HL got two episodes and a prequel.
  - xdrosenheim 5y ago
    Counter-Strike 2 and Ricochet 2 first.
- jayd16 5y ago
  Didn't the spiritual successor Back 4 Blood release not too long ago? No good?
  - ben-schaaf 5y ago
    The steam reviews are mixed, compared to overwhelmingly positive for L4D2. It's also Windows exclusive with Easy Anti-Cheat so it can't run on Linux. (It's a coop game, who cares about cheating there??)
    - Rebelgecko 5y ago
      B4B does have a human vs zombie multiplayer mode
      - Duralias 5y ago
        However, that mode is nothing like the versus mode people actually wanted.
    - jayd16 5y ago
      Cheats can also be used to grief other players in the match making queue.
  - aufhebung 5y ago
    I haven't played it, but this video gives the impression that it is much less polished in comparison to its predecessors. However it could just be nitpicking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdRLNUGmFC8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdRLNUGmFC8
  - coding123 5y ago
    Didn't know it existed you just made my weekend.
  - TranquilMarmot 5y ago
    It's okay. The difficulty ramp-up is really steep to the point where once you finish the easier difficulties it just gets way too hard. Maybe if you play with friends it would be different, but I was mostly solo queueing. That being said... it was a lot of fun until I got frustrated with it! It's on the PC game pass.
  - LegitShady 5y ago
    its not as good.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - lemoncookiechip 5y ago
    I would recommend giving this video a watch. It'll show you just how much care and attention to detail was put into L4D 1 and 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdRLNUGmFC8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdRLNUGmFC8
AceJohnny2 5y ago
My belief is that they're flush with Steam money, and hardware isn't core to their business. If anything, they want to expand the PC gaming ecosystem, which is already very DIY and mod-friendly. Thus, they can afford to set themselves apart from the likes of Apple and tell their customers to have fun. Pessimistically, I imagine that if their hardware business boomed exponentially, their support costs would rise and the hardware designers would be pressured to reduce PEBKAC risks...
- urthor 5y ago
  Valve's principal line of business right now is utterly eradicating Epic Game Store from existence. Its tool for doing that is consumer sentiment. This all plays into Valve's business strategy. They're fighting to justify ye ole 30% cut.
  - jcastro 5y ago
    The prescience of doing SteamOS/Steam Machines/Steam Controllers years before EGS seems to have paid off for them. (Eventually, and probably by accident, time will tell but the device seems to be pretty badass so far).
  - sennight 5y ago
    > Its tool for doing that is consumer sentiment. That is the tool for basically doing anything productive as a business... it isn't as if they've done some about face at the emergence of genuine competition - they've always been unusually well liked (especially considering the industry).
    - urthor 5y ago
      In contrast, a prominent thread about Adobe currently sits on the front page.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    Hey, if Apple released repair videos, device schematics, commit their translation tech and kernel development to upstream, maintained CI/CD pipelines for all major operating systems, built platform-agnostic hardware APIs for third-party vendors and built safe inroads for the modding/enthusiast community, I think their 30% wouldn't be so hard to swallow. All we got were some lame whitepapers instead.
zeusk 5y ago
As much as I want to work there, they're also responsible for peddling the pile of shit like treasure chests, unlock keys and "trading cards" which I find extremely repulsive.
- javajosh 5y ago
  I don't like that crap either, but Valve's contribution to that dreck is really easy to ignore in Steam. It's the game designers and business types that put gambling features in games, and that is the precise moral equivalent of selling cigarettes to kids. You might fault Steam for hosting games like that, but then you'll be faulting every platform, including the free ones, because lets face it, learning to code doesn't require passing an ethics class, or even taking one. My point is that you're probably better off being repulsed at someone else because in the scheme of things Valve really isn't that bad, IMHO.
  - WheatM 5y ago
  - davemp 5y ago
    The CS:GO and dota2 (developed by valve) item market places were probably some of the earlier and more influential loot box / gambling games.
    - CodeArtisan 5y ago
      It all started when they turned Team Fortress 2 into a free-to-play game (remember all the memes about the "hats"?). The move originated from Yanis Varoufakis who later became Greek minister of finance. https://archive.fo/IXtkd https://archive.fo/IXtkd https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanis_Varoufakis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanis_Varoufakis
    - rocqua 5y ago
      Like others said, the start of these things was team fortress 2, also a valve game.
vhab 5y ago
From the license in the same repository: > Furthermore, please be aware that opening the outside enclosure of your Steam hardware will void a warranty you may otherwise enjoy (https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4577-TUJV-6223 https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4577-TUJ...). I'd say that significantly diminishes the good will statements like "you have every right to open up your Steam Deck and do what you want with it." buys them though.
- joezydeco 5y ago
  So if you crack open your unit and break something while messing around, you expect Valve should fix it for you for free under the standard warranty? Allowing you to make the choice between hacking or not seems like perfectly good will to me. You can't have your cake and eat it too, as they say.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    > So if you crack open your unit and break something while messing around I don't expect a warranty from that, but I very much do expect a warranty if I crack it open and don't break something while messing around. Thankfully the actual warranty doesn't say it's voided by opening. Some of the exclusions on there are worrying, though. Improper cleaning? Refurbs have no warranty? "Commercial use" is much too vague.
    - genocidicbunny 5y ago
      Valve can't invalidate your warranty if your opening up the deck wasn't responsible for the damage, at least in the US.[0] So yes, opening it up and improperly cleaning it (for example, you take a q-tip with rubbing alcohol to clean off some gunk and accidentally dislodge a capacitor) could void your warranty. ---- [0] https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2018/04/ftc-staff-warns-companies-it-illegal-condition-warranty-coverage https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2018/04/ftc-s...
      - 5y ago
yellow_lead 5y ago
Watch out, @richgel999 has posted many horror stories of working at Valve on Twitter. Things like bosses convincing employees to take on debt (so they'll have more leverage against them), employees competing ruthlessly for bonuses (breaking their code intentionally), and other weird side effects of working for a self-organizing corp.

coding123 5y ago

If you get a job there can you BEG them to make Left 4 Dead 3

sphars 5y ago
Or any third installment in any of their games: HL3, L4D3, TF3, Portal 3, DOTA3
- zitterbewegung 5y ago
  Counter Strike had more than a third installment and HL got two episodes and a prequel.
- xdrosenheim 5y ago
  Counter-Strike 2 and Ricochet 2 first.
jayd16 5y ago
Didn't the spiritual successor Back 4 Blood release not too long ago? No good?
- ben-schaaf 5y ago
  The steam reviews are mixed, compared to overwhelmingly positive for L4D2. It's also Windows exclusive with Easy Anti-Cheat so it can't run on Linux. (It's a coop game, who cares about cheating there??)
  - Rebelgecko 5y ago
    B4B does have a human vs zombie multiplayer mode
    - Duralias 5y ago
      However, that mode is nothing like the versus mode people actually wanted.
  - jayd16 5y ago
    Cheats can also be used to grief other players in the match making queue.
- aufhebung 5y ago
  I haven't played it, but this video gives the impression that it is much less polished in comparison to its predecessors. However it could just be nitpicking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdRLNUGmFC8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdRLNUGmFC8
- coding123 5y ago
  Didn't know it existed you just made my weekend.
- TranquilMarmot 5y ago
  It's okay. The difficulty ramp-up is really steep to the point where once you finish the easier difficulties it just gets way too hard. Maybe if you play with friends it would be different, but I was mostly solo queueing. That being said... it was a lot of fun until I got frustrated with it! It's on the PC game pass.
- LegitShady 5y ago
  its not as good.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- lemoncookiechip 5y ago
  I would recommend giving this video a watch. It'll show you just how much care and attention to detail was put into L4D 1 and 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdRLNUGmFC8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdRLNUGmFC8

AceJohnny2 5y ago

My belief is that they're flush with Steam money, and hardware isn't core to their business. If anything, they want to expand the PC gaming ecosystem, which is already very DIY and mod-friendly. Thus, they can afford to set themselves apart from the likes of Apple and tell their customers to have fun. Pessimistically, I imagine that if their hardware business boomed exponentially, their support costs would rise and the hardware designers would be pressured to reduce PEBKAC risks...

urthor 5y ago
Valve's principal line of business right now is utterly eradicating Epic Game Store from existence. Its tool for doing that is consumer sentiment. This all plays into Valve's business strategy. They're fighting to justify ye ole 30% cut.
- jcastro 5y ago
  The prescience of doing SteamOS/Steam Machines/Steam Controllers years before EGS seems to have paid off for them. (Eventually, and probably by accident, time will tell but the device seems to be pretty badass so far).
- sennight 5y ago
  > Its tool for doing that is consumer sentiment. That is the tool for basically doing anything productive as a business... it isn't as if they've done some about face at the emergence of genuine competition - they've always been unusually well liked (especially considering the industry).
  - urthor 5y ago
    In contrast, a prominent thread about Adobe currently sits on the front page.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  Hey, if Apple released repair videos, device schematics, commit their translation tech and kernel development to upstream, maintained CI/CD pipelines for all major operating systems, built platform-agnostic hardware APIs for third-party vendors and built safe inroads for the modding/enthusiast community, I think their 30% wouldn't be so hard to swallow. All we got were some lame whitepapers instead.

zeusk 5y ago

As much as I want to work there, they're also responsible for peddling the pile of shit like treasure chests, unlock keys and "trading cards" which I find extremely repulsive.

javajosh 5y ago
I don't like that crap either, but Valve's contribution to that dreck is really easy to ignore in Steam. It's the game designers and business types that put gambling features in games, and that is the precise moral equivalent of selling cigarettes to kids. You might fault Steam for hosting games like that, but then you'll be faulting every platform, including the free ones, because lets face it, learning to code doesn't require passing an ethics class, or even taking one. My point is that you're probably better off being repulsed at someone else because in the scheme of things Valve really isn't that bad, IMHO.
- WheatM 5y ago
- davemp 5y ago
  The CS:GO and dota2 (developed by valve) item market places were probably some of the earlier and more influential loot box / gambling games.
  - CodeArtisan 5y ago
    It all started when they turned Team Fortress 2 into a free-to-play game (remember all the memes about the "hats"?). The move originated from Yanis Varoufakis who later became Greek minister of finance. https://archive.fo/IXtkd https://archive.fo/IXtkd https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanis_Varoufakis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanis_Varoufakis
  - rocqua 5y ago
    Like others said, the start of these things was team fortress 2, also a valve game.

vhab 5y ago

From the license in the same repository: > Furthermore, please be aware that opening the outside enclosure of your Steam hardware will void a warranty you may otherwise enjoy (https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4577-TUJV-6223 https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4577-TUJ...). I'd say that significantly diminishes the good will statements like "you have every right to open up your Steam Deck and do what you want with it." buys them though.

joezydeco 5y ago
So if you crack open your unit and break something while messing around, you expect Valve should fix it for you for free under the standard warranty? Allowing you to make the choice between hacking or not seems like perfectly good will to me. You can't have your cake and eat it too, as they say.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  > So if you crack open your unit and break something while messing around I don't expect a warranty from that, but I very much do expect a warranty if I crack it open and don't break something while messing around. Thankfully the actual warranty doesn't say it's voided by opening. Some of the exclusions on there are worrying, though. Improper cleaning? Refurbs have no warranty? "Commercial use" is much too vague.
  - genocidicbunny 5y ago
    Valve can't invalidate your warranty if your opening up the deck wasn't responsible for the damage, at least in the US.[0] So yes, opening it up and improperly cleaning it (for example, you take a q-tip with rubbing alcohol to clean off some gunk and accidentally dislodge a capacitor) could void your warranty. ---- [0] https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2018/04/ftc-staff-warns-companies-it-illegal-condition-warranty-coverage https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2018/04/ftc-s...
    - 5y ago

yellow_lead 5y ago

Watch out, @richgel999 has posted many horror stories of working at Valve on Twitter. Things like bosses convincing employees to take on debt (so they'll have more leverage against them), employees competing ruthlessly for bonuses (breaking their code intentionally), and other weird side effects of working for a self-organizing corp.