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So why the need to lock them in?

by chrisseaton 5y ago

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na85 5y ago
It's to keep press out.
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- emptybottle 5y ago
  Not sure why this is downvoted. I think one of the (many) reasons to lock the doors is absolutely to keep unauthorized persons out of the room.
  - ggm 5y ago
    Press ideates as "mask the truth" where unauthorised covers all contingencies including nutcase pizzagate conspiracy hunters, Walter Mitty types and "cleaner unplugged the data rack power" fuckups. It isn't driven to keep the press out. If any benefit its a side benefit and I observe a metric French tonne of press is locked inside the room(s) at that point.
toomuchtodo 5y ago
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-of-Lock-the-Doors-in-space-missions?share=1 https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-of-Lock-the-Doors-... Robert Frost, Instructor and Flight Controller at NASA: > If you are referring to the call from the Flight Director: “GC, Lock the doors” that is a command that initiates the contingency response to a significant incident, such as the loss of a vehicle. It begins a FREEZE, ISOLATE, AND PROTECT process. The Flight Director would follow up that statement with a call to the team to immediately pull out the contingency section of the Flight Control Operations Handbook to identify specific actions that are to be taken. > Access to the facility becomes restricted. People that weren’t in the room at the time or aren’t essential to the next steps are not allowed access and the people in the room are restricted from leaving. Communication in and out of the room is restricted. Usage of all devices, both workstations and personal, is restricted. The team is hands-off. Nothing should be done that changes the configuration at the time of the incident. Those are the freeze and isolate steps. Next comes protect. All of the data that was in use must be captured, recorded, and preserved in a static state. Even the trash cans have to be preserved in their state. All of this is because any investigation into the incident will require all of this data. > Once given permission, the occupants of the room may continue to capture their observations and actions in their console logs. > It is important to keep the equipment, documentation, and people in a pristine state until it all has been preserved. We don’t want any form of contamination that could be caused by someone bringing in data that wasn’t in the room during the incident into the room or removing data. We don’t want the team’s observation and recording of those observations influenced by communication with people that weren’t there. > All of the data will be collected and put into secure data containers and taken to a secure vault. Debriefing of the team may then be performed and once a response team has been formed and has begun their work, the Flight Director may release the team.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  > people in the room are restricted from leaving But how's that legal? Is there some special legislation for it? A citizen's arrest requires an actual crime being observed.
  - Jtsummers 5y ago
    It's not a citizen's arrest.
  - munk-a 5y ago
    I think it is a good thing that our legal system can differentiate restraining a person for a temporary stay due to process or safety concerns and arrest. This is very different from the police arresting someone. When it comes to leaving secure sites you can often be restrained to prevent you from smuggling out sensitive materials which is quite sane and necessary in a number of situations. There are also a plethora of public sites (i.e. government run) that non-enlisted citizens are barred from entering - though that is a bit of a different situation.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    You probably aren't actually legally prohibited from leaving. But anyone in the command room leaving after such order is literally unthinkable. This conversation is just weird to me. To earn a spot in that room you absolutely must understand the importance of your job and your place in it, if an order is to stay in and document everything....that's what you do. Whether you could be legally prevented from leaving or not is literally irelevant, outside of some purely academic discussion that is completely pointless.
    - adventured 5y ago
      Yes, NASA's security officers can legally physically prevent you from leaving. Congress has granted them that power. Go on law.cornell.edu and dig through the vast provisions of federal security officer power as it pertains to arrest, detainment, use of deadly force, etc. They can do it. Arrest authority: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/1203b.103 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/1203b.103 Deadly force authority: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/1203b.106 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/1203b.106 Management oversight: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/1203b.108 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/1203b.108

So why the need to lock them in?

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na85 5y ago

It's to keep press out.

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emptybottle 5y ago
Not sure why this is downvoted. I think one of the (many) reasons to lock the doors is absolutely to keep unauthorized persons out of the room.
- ggm 5y ago
  Press ideates as "mask the truth" where unauthorised covers all contingencies including nutcase pizzagate conspiracy hunters, Walter Mitty types and "cleaner unplugged the data rack power" fuckups. It isn't driven to keep the press out. If any benefit its a side benefit and I observe a metric French tonne of press is locked inside the room(s) at that point.

toomuchtodo 5y ago

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-of-Lock-the-Doors-in-space-missions?share=1 https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-of-Lock-the-Doors-... Robert Frost, Instructor and Flight Controller at NASA: > If you are referring to the call from the Flight Director: “GC, Lock the doors” that is a command that initiates the contingency response to a significant incident, such as the loss of a vehicle. It begins a FREEZE, ISOLATE, AND PROTECT process. The Flight Director would follow up that statement with a call to the team to immediately pull out the contingency section of the Flight Control Operations Handbook to identify specific actions that are to be taken. > Access to the facility becomes restricted. People that weren’t in the room at the time or aren’t essential to the next steps are not allowed access and the people in the room are restricted from leaving. Communication in and out of the room is restricted. Usage of all devices, both workstations and personal, is restricted. The team is hands-off. Nothing should be done that changes the configuration at the time of the incident. Those are the freeze and isolate steps. Next comes protect. All of the data that was in use must be captured, recorded, and preserved in a static state. Even the trash cans have to be preserved in their state. All of this is because any investigation into the incident will require all of this data. > Once given permission, the occupants of the room may continue to capture their observations and actions in their console logs. > It is important to keep the equipment, documentation, and people in a pristine state until it all has been preserved. We don’t want any form of contamination that could be caused by someone bringing in data that wasn’t in the room during the incident into the room or removing data. We don’t want the team’s observation and recording of those observations influenced by communication with people that weren’t there. > All of the data will be collected and put into secure data containers and taken to a secure vault. Debriefing of the team may then be performed and once a response team has been formed and has begun their work, the Flight Director may release the team.

chrisseaton 5y ago
> people in the room are restricted from leaving But how's that legal? Is there some special legislation for it? A citizen's arrest requires an actual crime being observed.
- Jtsummers 5y ago
  It's not a citizen's arrest.
- munk-a 5y ago
  I think it is a good thing that our legal system can differentiate restraining a person for a temporary stay due to process or safety concerns and arrest. This is very different from the police arresting someone. When it comes to leaving secure sites you can often be restrained to prevent you from smuggling out sensitive materials which is quite sane and necessary in a number of situations. There are also a plethora of public sites (i.e. government run) that non-enlisted citizens are barred from entering - though that is a bit of a different situation.
- gambiting 5y ago
  You probably aren't actually legally prohibited from leaving. But anyone in the command room leaving after such order is literally unthinkable. This conversation is just weird to me. To earn a spot in that room you absolutely must understand the importance of your job and your place in it, if an order is to stay in and document everything....that's what you do. Whether you could be legally prevented from leaving or not is literally irelevant, outside of some purely academic discussion that is completely pointless.
  - adventured 5y ago
    Yes, NASA's security officers can legally physically prevent you from leaving. Congress has granted them that power. Go on law.cornell.edu and dig through the vast provisions of federal security officer power as it pertains to arrest, detainment, use of deadly force, etc. They can do it. Arrest authority: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/1203b.103 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/1203b.103 Deadly force authority: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/1203b.106 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/1203b.106 Management oversight: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/1203b.108 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/1203b.108