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Every M1 Mac is due for a 2022 refresh with faster M2 chip, new designs
- UncleOxidant 5y agoI'm not much of an Apple/MacOS fan, but I do think I may get an M2 based laptop (esp the M2Pro when those become available). Didn't want to jump on the M1 bandwagon since it was still pretty new. Also by the time M2's are available maybe the Linux on M* Mac story will be better?
- skohan 5y agoI avoid first-gen products almost as a rule, but M1 has delivered on promise amazingly.
- Hamuko 5y agoI'm still just desperately waiting for the M1 Pro Mac Mini.
- barkerja 5y agoSeriously! I have been awaiting a "Pro" Mini for a while now. Only reason I haven't pulled the trigger on the current M1 Mac Mini is due to the limits on ram (16GB).
- mgh2 5y agoReady to take on Windows' PC market
- nebula8804 5y agoWindows 11 ARM runs blazing fast when virtualized on the M1 Mac. The best Windows machine is ironically a Mac. Only problem is...its Windows 11 :/ I think Windows 10 ARM images are floating around but it seems like Microsoft has discontinued them. Wish there was a way to properly virtualize Windows 7 or just to even see earlier Windows OS run in this M1 environment.
- vmception 5y agoin that combination, can I run all those cool indie games on Steam that are Windows only? or are they really x86 windows only? for some reason I was just hoping they only needed some APIs from Direct X instead of actual architecture
- dahfizz 5y agoI'm going to guess that 99.9% of games ship x86 executables / dlls. Even if the developers used something like PyGame, the code is compiled before distribution.
- wmf 5y agoGames are x86 only but Windows has emulation so they should work.
- RayRayRah 5y agoParallels on M1 will run many games well, and some near perfectly. There's also Wine / Crossover which does better on some games and worse on others. If you had both, you could probably run the majority of Windows games out there. Apple Gaming Wiki has a list of games and gives a general idea of how they perform. Reddit's /r/macgaming is also helpful. https://www.applegamingwiki.com/wiki/Home https://www.applegamingwiki.com/wiki/Home
- vmception 5y agooh wow, alright! lots of AAA titles there, I have been getting some mobile ads about games and they all turned out to be indie PC games, which was disappointing because they are mostly sidescrollers. I'm getting optimistic that these less demanding games will work well on at least one of these environment simulators, but I guess it depends on the APIs they rely on.
- _ea1k 5y agoMore RAM for all please!
- vmception 5y agoI waited and got the 64gb ram one Not enough to run a Solana node but I think it covers all of last decades use cases that i would encounter
- yumraj 5y agoSure, but it'll come at $400 to upgrade from 16GB to 32GB :(
- dheera 5y agoI love my $200 64GB with my Framework Laptop. Fuck Apple they should be sued for price gouging.
- dymk 5y agoThat's not what gouging is. How's that battery life treating you?
- smoldesu 5y agoDid I miss something, or is RAM price somehow related to battery life? Edit: your response has literally nothing to do with the parent comment or my comment, so I'm not even going to engage with you on this.
- dymk 5y agoEnjoy these recent user reviews of the Framework Laptop: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29808181 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29808181 > As has been noted time and time again, battery life is atrocious. As in unusable for even the travel time required for a three hour flight: factoring in the poor sleep, an hour at the airport, and time on the aircraft the battery is dead. Crazy for 2021/2022 - my eight year old Macbook does better. Basically, the Framework Laptop seems to hardly even fit the description of "laptop" in 2022. Certainly not comparable to a Macbook Pro if one is going to complain about price.
- f6v 5y agoIs there a physical limit on improvements they’ll hit soon? I mean, there’s probably so much they can do considering heat and power requirements. But I’m totally ignorant about CPU architectures.
- mrtesthah 5y agoI think that question applies to transistor/feature size in general. Look to TSMC’s process roadmap.
- UncleOxidant 5y agoNot just on the physical side. I suspect there are still some architectural improvements that we'll see with the M2. They've had more time to characterize various types of workloads and that should feed back into architectural improvements.
- mrtesthah 5y agoI bet there will be architectural improvements, but in the long run, those can only go so far in comparison to process improvements (or even brand new technology like optical or quantum computing, or who knows what else).
- skohan 5y agoIsn't M2 potentially the first 3nm process to be released?
- fulafel 5y agoThe physics limits of a Mac size computer performance involve a black hole density and matter organised to form optimal quantum computing devices. You would need to be a very optimistic Apple fan to expect this in the near future.
- turminal 5y agoThis title reads like they are going to put new chips into existing and already purchased computers :(
- UncleOxidant 5y agoOver the air software update ;)
- bitwize 5y agoYes but can we download more RAM?
- xoxxala 5y agoIf Elon Musk ran Apple, that's the way it would work.
- tediousdemise 5y agoThis evokes in me an image of a laptop built with fully reconfigurable hardware (something like an FPGA). Imagine if you could actually download a faster processor :)
- kuhsaft 5y agoYou can (and most likely already do) with microcode [0] :) [0] https://www.anandtech.com/show/16549/rocket-lake-redux-0x34-microcode-offers-small-performance-gains-on-core-i711700k https://www.anandtech.com/show/16549/rocket-lake-redux-0x34-...
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- cehrlich 5y agoI hope they don’t use the power efficient CPUs as an excuse to make the batteries smaller in the new entry level laptops. The current gen is glorious in that regard.
- azeirah 5y agoTheir batteries have been a huge marketing point. Doubt they will compromise. Though, with Apple, you never know.
- bob1029 5y agoThis is good news. I was about 95% of the way to purchasing a 14" MBP this weekend. The 13" is what I really want, having had a late 2013 13" model prior. I'm on a surface laptop 3 at the moment, but its pretty garbage compared to my experience with Apple previously. The keyboard is already starting to go out on me after barely 2 years of light use. I don't even write software on this thing. Assuming Apple doesn't shank this refresh with a stealth removal of magsafe or Fn key swap for touchbar, I'll be somewhere at the front of the line on launch day.
- rz2k 5y agoWhy not just get a 13" MBA, then sell it in a year if the M2 is worth it? The 13" MBA isn't heavy like the 14" model, it's relatively cheap for being significantly more responsive than the Intel 13" MBPs, and it will preserve most of its resale value.
- Casteil 5y agoTo get decent ram/storage on a MBA (e.g. 16GB/512GB) you're looking at at least $1400 - at which point the 14" m1 pro starts looking attractive with its MiniLED/ProMotion screen, speakers, ports, better overall performance, and physical fkeys. Plus, the M2 refresh is expected to be announced in March and follow shortly after...
- kikowi 5y agoDo you have any hands on experience with 13" MBA vs 14" or 16" MBP? I will be working from AirBnbs and coffee shops for the most part this year (digital nomad) and I am deciding which Macbook to take for fullstack web development. I am afraid 13" or 14" won't be big enough. I'm currently on 2015 15" MBP which is mostly fine and theoretically I am prepared to sacrificate some screen size for better mobility (smaller and lighter laptop).
- tedivm 5y agoI have a 14 inch M1 and a 16 inch Intel- the M1 was primarily to test a bunch of ARM stuff. I've also had a 15inch for years. My take is that the 16 inch is a bit too big to be conveniently portable (especially on airplanes, it's impossible to use there). I don't think the 14 inch is unreasonably small, but it is noticeably smaller than what I'd like. I use external monitors though and have no problem, and I'd much rather carry the 14 inch around. One thing to note is that these are definitely on the heavier side for Apple, which is part of why I'm happier with the smaller one as my portable machine.
- smoldesu 5y agoI'd really love to see more memory in these devices. I have no need for a Mac, but everyone I know who uses one complains that RAM limitations come up fairly quickly with all of these devices. I even know a guy with a 64 gig iMac Pro who complains that he runs out of memory on a daily basis. I'm not sure if this is workflow-dependent or just a limitation of XNU's memory model (perhaps both), but giving people more memory options would be an easy fix and a big draw for programmers, sysadmins and creative professionals who are still using Intel Macs.
- HatchedLake721 5y agoNot kinda true anymore with M series chips. Look at other comments here, people are amazed how their 8gb MacBook Air works. People have been saying this from the moment M1 came out, 8gb Air/Pro feels like 16gb.
- hvjackson 5y agoThe (now discontinued) iMac Pro officially supports 256 GB of RAM. 3rd party RAM resellers claim it will work with 512 GB. I assume any M1 or M2 replacement would support at least the same amount.
- JohnBooty 5y agobut everyone I know who uses one complains that RAM limitations come up fairly quickly with all of these devices Everyone? The initial 2020 M1 machines maxxed out at 16GB; however the 2021 M1 Macbook Pros are configurable with 16GB, 32GB, or 64GB. I'm not sure what to make of "RAM limitations come up fairly quickly." 16GB configs haven't been a problem for developers at any of the shops where I've spent time in recent years. Places where developers were not shy about complaining. Of course, I recognize that lots of workloads do require more! Working with big data, video work, etc. My problem with the 16GB limit was more theoretical. If I'm shelling out $2-$3K for a machine, I'd like a more future-proof amount of RAM.
- nottorp 5y agoYou're still screwed if you need a desktop though.
- mberning 5y agoAn M2 mini is a day one purchase for me. I have been so thoroughly impressed with my M1 mini.
- adolph 5y agoMaybe the more interesting question is when will they not be able to make a +1 processor? Is it 5, 10 or more cycles away?
- JohnBooty 5y agoYeah. How much of the M1's spectacular showing is process advantage, how much is superior design, and is any of this sustainable? I think the M2 series chips will give us a pretty good idea. Of course it's also worth noting that the M1 didn't come from nowhere. We already have lots of other data points. Apple's A-series processors have been competing very well with x86 for a while now. For example, here's the A14 compared to its x86 contemporaries in 2020: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16226/apple-silicon-m1-a14-deep-dive/4 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16226/apple-silicon-m1-a14-de... Raw performance was very close, and perf/watt was stellar relative to x86. And these were Apple's mobile chips; they weren't even targeting laptop/desktop performance at that point. So from a CPU perspective it suggests that they've had the ability to compete with Intel on more than favorable footing for quite some time now, and I wouldn't expect that advantage to dissipate soon either.
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- yardie 5y agoBought my MBA 13 days ago. I have 24 hours to decide if I want to return it for a full refund or not...
- rozenmd 5y agoHah, I did this with a 16" MBP when rumours came out that they were building ARM CPUs. Now writing this on the MBA 13" M1.
- furtive808 5y agoThe new MBA likely won't be announced until WWDC and come out shortly thereafter. It will also likely have design language that reflects the new iMac. Let that temper your decision making.
- paxys 5y agoThis is an unwinnable game. The moment you purchase something a newer, better version will be announced.
- rootusrootus 5y agoKeep it. It's not like it's crap. If they really do release a must-have feature on the next one, the upgrade cost isn't that bad (especially on an inexpensive computer like an MBA). In the meantime enjoy the M1.
- pl0x 5y agoYou can always resell it later. Just don't get apple care and any additional accessories.
- garbagecoder 5y agoI have been working on a number of projects involving ARM64 assembly lately. My take is that we haven't even begun to max out the potential of Apple Silicon. First, many apps still run on Rosetta2. When they are finally converted, libraries and all, to native ARM code, that is real low-hanging fruit yet to be picked. Second, my sense--this isn't something I have data for--is that the code that is output by compilers can be further optimized much much more than for x64. One example is library routines not using all of the available hardware algorithms, e.g., in cryptogrpahy. Third, optimizing multithreaded programs for performance vs. efficiency cores. If there's an easy way of doing this, I couldn't find it. I implemented it myself. Making sure intensive tasks are on the performance cores and not randomly assigned to the efficiency cores makes a difference. OS handles this most of the time, I think. Fourth, Apple could open up some of the internal compute stuff that you need their frameworks for. Some combination of these things could see our existing M1s feel faster for a long time. If the M2 is a big improvement (hopefully in cores and RAM), I look forward to trying one.
- nebula8804 5y agoThis is music to my ears. Thank you for your efforts. When I first started using my M1 Mac, it was like a computer from another planet. It was so freaking fast it took me back to the 90s/early 2000s when every upgrade was a night and day improvement. I could never believe a computer could be so snappy in everyday usage. It just brings joy every time I use it. Meanwhile I have this 2019 Core i9 Macbook pro at work and it is a slug compared to the M1.
- garbagecoder 5y agoI had the same experience. When I got the DTK I couldn't believe it was running almost everything in emulation and was going to sell for about $500. And that wasn't even an M1. Exploring all of its unique nooks and crannies has definitely taken me back too!
- inkyoto 5y ago> Second, my sense--this isn't something I have data for--is that the code that is output by compilers can be further optimized much much more than for x64. One example is library routines not using all of the available hardware algorithms, e.g., in cryptogrpahy. Your senses are not failing you. Let's pick apart a specific example being the stock openssl binary (/usr/bin/openssl) compiled with unknown C compiler flags vs the manually built one (I have used the one that homebrew ships). The stock binary reports: $ /usr/bin/openssl speed sha256 Doing sha256 for 3s on 16 size blocks: 24823543 sha256's in 2.99s Doing sha256 for 3s on 64 size blocks: 17875138 sha256's in 2.99s Doing sha256 for 3s on 256 size blocks: 13158887 sha256's in 2.99s Doing sha256 for 3s on 1024 size blocks: 5565350 sha256's in 2.99s Doing sha256 for 3s on 8192 size blocks: 874073 sha256's in 2.99s LibreSSL 2.8.3 built on: date not available options:bn(64,64) rc4(ptr,int) des(idx,cisc,16,int) aes(partial) blowfish(idx) compiler: information not available The 'numbers' are in 1000s of bytes per second processed. type 16 bytes 64 bytes 256 bytes 1024 bytes 8192 bytes sha256 132632.74k 382026.73k 1125063.44k 1902869.91k 2391966.26k Let's tinker with the homebrew's CFLAGS and add ARM64 v8.4 specific optimisation flags + unroll loops + free up the frame pointer register for the general use (-Ofast -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -w -pipe -march=armv8.4-a+simd+crypto+i8mm+bf16+fp16): $ /opt/homebrew/opt/openssl@1.1/bin/openssl speed sha256 Doing sha256 for 3s on 16 size blocks: 76652798 sha256's in 2.99s Doing sha256 for 3s on 64 size blocks: 52778508 sha256's in 2.99s Doing sha256 for 3s on 256 size blocks: 22320676 sha256's in 3.00s Doing sha256 for 3s on 1024 size blocks: 6744512 sha256's in 2.99s Doing sha256 for 3s on 8192 size blocks: 899002 sha256's in 2.99s Doing sha256 for 3s on 16384 size blocks: 451670 sha256's in 3.00s OpenSSL 1.1.1m 14 Dec 2021 built on: Tue Dec 14 15:45:01 2021 UTC options:bn(64,64) rc4(int) des(int) aes(partial) idea(int) blowfish(ptr) compiler: /usr/bin/clang -fPIC -arch arm64 -Ofast -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -w -pipe -march=armv8.4-a+simd+crypto+i8mm+bf16+fp16 -mmacosx-version-min=12 -isysroot/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX12.sdk -DL_ENDIAN -DOPENSSL_PIC -DOPENSSL_CPUID_OBJ -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM -DKECCAK1600_ASM -DVPAES_ASM -DECP_NISTZ256_ASM -DPOLY1305_ASM -D_REENTRANT -DNDEBUG -isystem/opt/homebrew/include -F/opt/homebrew/Frameworks -isysroot/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX12.sdk The 'numbers' are in 1000s of bytes per second processed. type 16 bytes 64 bytes 256 bytes 1024 bytes 8192 bytes 16384 bytes sha256 410182.20k 1129707.19k 1904697.69k 2309826.18k 2463085.08k 2466720.43k By simply specifying ARM64 v8.4 specific code generation flags, the speedup for the 16 and 64 byte blocks is nearly 4x, is nearly 2x for the 256 byte test and a 21% speedup for the 1024 byte test. What I have begrudgingly noticed, though, is that way too many open source packages go a very long way to forcefully override CFLAGS / CXXFLAGS environment variables (I set mines in the shell rc file) to set them to something else. What are the most usual / typical choices, though? Not very imaginative: «-O2 -g», «-Ofast/-O3», «-O -g» or simply «-O». My personal plea to open source maintainers: can you please stop overriding CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS variables in your Makefile's / CMakefiles unless you know that a specific combination of the optimisation flags breaks your package. «make» / «cmake» et al allow for the conditional or additive setting of variables (i.e. ?= or += vs :=), so please stick with those and inherent the values when they are present in the environment.
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- paxys 5y agoWell, yeah, that's Apple's standard hardware upgrade cycle. Breaking – iPhone 13 expected to get upgraded this year with upgraded chip, more features.
- fartcannon 5y agoOr basically the same chips, slightly faster but changed just enough to exploit the human need for 'new'. But fuck the earth, there's a new iphone.
- jitl 5y agoNot for the Intel machines. MacBook Pro got at least a CPU bump about every 12-18 months, but machines like the Air, Mini or Mac Pro could go several years without any update at all. https://infonewt.com/apple-release-patterns/#macbook-pro https://infonewt.com/apple-release-patterns/#macbook-pro
- rootusrootus 5y agoExactly. A yearly bump for all the computers like they currently do for the phone would be a huge improvement.
- paxys 5y agoThe first batch of M1 machines were released in Nov 2020. Assuming the refresh happens later this year that's still a 1.5-2 year cycle, similar to the old Macbooks. Plus, even the Intel Macbooks that didn't always get flashy marketing or design updates still had their processors bumped up behind the scenes pretty frequently.
- fartcannon 5y agoIt would be nice if it was upgradable. Then it wouldn't end up in a landfill.
- antifa 5y agoIf it still works the 2nd hand market for macbooks is hot.
- CraigJPerry 5y agoI don’t understand the magic at work in an 8gb M1 macbook air. If i run android emulator (consuming 4-6Gb) + iPhone simulator (1-2Gb) + react native hot reload toolchain (1-4gb) + vscode (1-2gb) + firefox (1-3gb) all concurrently, then my memory pressure is around 65%, i have about 3gb swapped but very little paging activity. Everything feels snappy. What is this magic? I was convinced it would be the speedy SSD masking the page faults but there’s very little swapping going on. Quite taken with it tbh. Still think MacOS is crap overall though. Soon as linux is viable on M1 as a daily driver, i am checking out of macos.
- uniqueuid 5y agoIt's mainly three things: - ram compression (fast CPU helps that this is non-noticeable) - aggressive swapping on a fast SSD (you'll notice that macOS swaps unused pages even if there is ram left to make space for file caches) - the M1 is just very fast, especially ram, so it's snappy overall
- ngngngng 5y agoThe swapping is crazy good, I had an insane memory leak on a process I was running and my swap was up to 60 gigs before I realized what was happening (slight UI stutters at that point) and killed the process.
- uniqueuid 5y agoThe degree to which swapping hurts responsiveness depends a lot on why and how it occurs. If swapping just means moving large contiguous pages that are completely inactive, it's a bunch of writes which neither slows hot memory access nor the ssd. If, on the other hand, you're swapping out pages that frequently need to be re-read, that's another story. So if swapping works well, that's to some degree a sign that your software has bloated "dead" memory regions.
- astrange 5y agoMemory leaks typically don't swap back in, so affect performance less than you'd think. Something like a GC scan can swap them though.
- aryamaan 5y agoPlanning to buy a dev laptop and contemplating which M1 pro flavour I should go with? They come with in so many gpu cores options
- Tagbert 5y agoHow important is GPU to the work that you do? Or do you use the CPU more? If you can answer that question you might get the performance you need without spending a lot of money for power you won’t use. The purpose of the Max is to provide maximum GPU cores. If you work mainly in CPU then the Pro might be all you need.
- mlindner 5y agoSo would these being using the same TSMC process and instead be a layout change rather than a die shrink?
- B1FF_PSUVM 5y agoThey may adopting the (lost ?) Intel tick-tock approach: - one year you shrink the geometry and reap speed-power-area gains - the other year you refine the logic circuitry and improve efficiency
- parentheses 5y agoI'm very close to doing all future development on AWS and avoiding depending on my machine anymore. Local price/meaningful performance (given frontend apps are getting fatty) is plateauing in my view. I'd rather migrate workflows that have high variance in compute requirements to a place where that variance can be satisfied easily and quickly.
- wffurr 5y agoHoping the new MacBook Air redesign comes in smaller than the current 13” model. I’m looking to upgrade from a 2014 11” MacBook Air, which was one of my favorite computers I’ve ever owned, but the performance was never great. Vastly better performance in a similar form factor and a jaunty color to boot would be a really great upgrade.
- kitsunesoba 5y agoPersonally I'm expecting the Air revamp to bear a strong resemblance to the discontinued 12" MacBook, with the big differences being: - Screen with taller aspect ratio and notch - Keyboard with slightly more travel - Die-shrunken M1 CPU (M2 will probably be for flagship models only, similar to latest A-series in iPhones/iPads) It'll undoubtedly work better than when they tried that with Intel CPUs.
- ngcc_hk 5y agoMacbook is the one I bought to side with 15”. Still waiting for the same form factor and weight to get another macbook. Do have a m1 to get my feet wet.
- baq 5y agoI begrudgingly admit that the M1 Air is one of the best computers ever made, having never liked Apple as a company. Not sure what kind of smaller you’re aiming for, but that thing is borderline too small, which is just about perfect.
- skohan 5y agoAgree, it's a fantastic product. Performance is great, form factor is great. I don't every really think about the computer at all, just what I'm doing with it, which is perfect. If anything, I think the perfect machine for me would be a 15" macbook air. Same thin design, slightly larger chassis with an edge-to-edge screen. I don't need more performance, but a little more screen real-estate would be nice.
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- smm11 5y agoGetting a new iMac one of these days.
- andrewstuart 5y agoI wonder if this will include the Mac Mini - over the years the Mac Mini hasn't been updated particularly frequently, and it only just got an update to the M1 chip. I know the article mentions Mac Mini but Apple doesn't seem to have been super enthused about it's lowest end machine in the past.
- melenaboija 5y agoI hate this, after weeks of thinking on whether moving back to Apple laptops or not after few years without them I finally decided to get the Mac Book Pro 16 and was going this afternoon to an Apple Store. I totally forgot that one of the bad things of Apple is the anxiety they create with the new releases. I may stay out of Mac world for few more years.
- m463 5y ago> I may stay out of Mac world for few more years. when you decide to jump back in, do it after a refresh. :)
- tqkxzugoaupvwqr 5y agoThe 16" was released three months ago. It will not be refreshed soon. The rumors you read around Apple’s releases are just click bait because these websites want to generate ad impressions. Check https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#mac https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#mac to see which device was released recently.
- macintux 5y agoThank you, I’ve been trying to remember where that buyer’s guide lived.
- melenaboija 5y agoThanks! It was just a feeling I forgot, I know that they were released few months ago but now I already know about M2. To me is not a secret that Apple uses this strategy, and I have been a happy Apple user for years. Anyway, at least i collected few downvotes from the Apple fanboys :)
- d3nj4l 5y agoThe 14 and 16” MBPs aren’t due for a refresh. The ones up right now are the air, the base model 13” pro and the mini. You can buy the 16” now and expect it to be top of the line for at least one more year.
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- hartator 5y agoI really hope for a design form like the MacBook 12". CPU was really underpowered but it felt so small, cute, and optimized in term of reducing footprint. M2 can bring this form factor to the next level.
- tim333 5y agoYeah I'd like that too. I've got the M1 MBA but it's a bit bigger and heavier than I'd like.
- megablast 5y ago12 was the best machine they made, maybe a little underpowered. With the M1/M2 it would be a dream.
- ahmetsulek 5y agoI still use 12" as my 13"Pro with touchbar (worst apple macbook) died several times and I'm tired of paying for it.
- technofiend 5y agoI'm particularly excited about the fact that Apple has added 10 gigabit support and reasonably priced it at $100 more on mac minis. Looking forward to the M2 refresh as long as it includes the mini.
- Kognito 5y agoThat’s the expectation. Rumours suggest the form factor of the mini will be slimmed down too, given there’s a lot of excess space in the chassis from the Intel days.
- technofiend 5y agoAs long as they leave plenty of thunderbolt ports.
- arvinsim 5y agoI hope they don't cut the size down too much so that the M1 Pro/Max/Duo/Quad chip that they will inevitably put in will not be thermally throttled.
- lvl100 5y agoI would really like to see an M1 Max Mac Mini. I’ve been holding out for March announcement.
- wmeredith 5y agoI finally gave in a bought an M1 Mini from Costco–they have a 90 day return policy on electronics. If Apple releases a better Mini in March, I'll probably upgrade.
- theonething 5y agoI'm still incredulous that the M1 only supports one external monitor. Pro and Max support two, but still, in this day and age, supporting only one external is ridiculous.
- tempnow987 5y agoRidiculous for their entry level product?
- penjelly 5y agotheir previous entry level models did
- d3nj4l 5y agoThe Max supports three external monitors!
- saagarjha 5y agoFour displays, actually, with the last being limited to 4K60.
- orhmeh09 5y agoThe M1 Mac Mini can drive two monitors.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y agoM1 Mac Mini in my office has 2 external monitors, one connected with HDMI and another one with thunderbolt (usb c).
- FullyFunctional 5y agoAnnecdata: I was editing a movie in FCPX on my 27" iMac (Intel) w/64 GiB and it kept crashing. Reluctantly, I restarted on my 13" MBA (M1) and finished with no problems. Granted there might have been something specific to my circumstances, but I was very impressed with the performance on the lowest-spec M1 laptop. IMO, the M1 laptops are fairly priced, but the Mac Pros have been poor value in the past. I'm really curious to see if that changes.
- e40 5y ago> IMO, the M1 laptops are fairly priced, but the Mac Pros have been poor value in the past. I'm really curious to see if that changes. I, too, am curious how the new Mac Pros are priced. I have a 2013 Mac Pro I paid around $3,800 for. Still using it. Last fall it had a significant performance drop, which I attribute to the Intel security mitigations (it was apparent after a security update to Big Sur). The current Mac Pros are very much out of my range, but the processors in those things are so expensive. They might be able to lower the price a lot, to the level that the 2013 was at. Hoping, at least.
- jeffbee 5y agoThere's literally no information in this article.
- jguimont 5y agoThe MBA, 13inch MBP, the bigger imac and the mac min are all old designs that were updated with a M1 processor. The 2022 update will bring a new industrial design on top of the new architecture. The same way the imac and the 14/16MBP were refreshed with a new design + a new architecture. My predictions form each: - MBA -> many colors, white screen/keyboard background (similar to imac) - MBP 13 -> renamed MacBook, a MBA with more ports, no colors and black screen/keyboard - iMac -> might be renamed imac pro, black screen and keyboard background. Same small footprint as the consumer imac - mac mini -> the current mac min is pretty empty. I think we'll see something much more compact but really similar in design. EDIT: style
- als0 5y agoI think it's more likely that the MBA is simply renamed to Macbook. "Air" used to mean something but it doesn't anymore. The true successor of the MBP 13 is the 14. There is no reason to keep the 13 around.
- penjelly 5y agometa: usually i don't see comments > post score unless the content is poor.. this is good news from apple though, what gives?
- aledalgrande 5y agoPoll: getting my M1 Max in mid March, any reason for returning it and waiting?
- Tagbert 5y agoM1 Max will still be more than twice as fast as any M2 chip machines due to the number of cores. It is unlikely that Apple will be ready to upgrade the M1 Pro/Max to M2 Pro/Max until next year. Even then the increase in performance for M2 cores is probably in the 10-15% range over M1 cores based on what we have seen with the A14 vs A15 cores in the phones.
- inter_netuser 5y agoGreat, more e-waste due to lack of upgradability. At which point does polluting the plant intentionally becomes a crime?
- nomel 5y agoHow common is it to upgrade a notebook? What is usually upgraded? I've looked into upgrading my last one, but by the time I felt the need, everything else was so obsolete that it just didn't make sense to put the money into it. This has actually always been the true for me, since my first desktop computer 20 years ago. I stopped buying for the future with my first computer, when I paid a little extra for a second GPU slot for SLI.
- 0ldskool 5y agowell one of the things people who buy upgradable laptops like to do is buy the cheapest upgradable specs and buy their own parts to install. I.e. buy laptop with 128 GB M.2 SSD and upgrade it to the fastest+largest available SSD. Thats what i did with mine. Also I took some parts out of my laptop and installed them into my desktop(s) and Intel Nucs.
- antifa 5y agoYou can sell your old macbook instead of throwing it away.
- rubyist5eva 5y agoJust give me a 27” iMac with an M(something) Max
- bsimpson 5y agoAnd they just _finally_ certified Apple Silicon at work and started allowing people to upgrade to M1s like last week.
- albanread 5y ago"Every M1 Mac .. due .. for .. refresh .. " Great, I look forward to Apple sending me an M2 to put into the CPU socket, or will it be a download to reconfigure my M1 into an M2.