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If you feel the same way after reading the article -- that an actual metaverse _would_ be cool, and it doesn't need to be Zuckerberg's dystopia, I encourage you

by avaer 5y ago

If you feel the same way after reading the article -- that an actual metaverse _would_ be cool, and it doesn't need to be Zuckerberg's dystopia, I encourage you to do your own research and find one of the thousand companies that agrees and help them out. In the right corners, it really does feel like "web 2.0" all over again -- and I mean that in the best way possible, because "web 2.0" set the course of internet technology for a decade.

giraffe_lady 5y ago
> "web 2.0" set the course of internet technology for a decade oh and how did that turn out?
matkoniecz 5y ago
Which uses of metaverse would be useful/entertaining? And so worthwhile that supporting some company would be good use of time and money?
- dale_glass 5y ago
  To me it's useful/entertaining in the ways forums and chats are, plus some additional features on top of that. Eg, you can talk to people, but in addition to that you have a collaborative 3D environment with positional audio where you can script, make games or do other stuff. Recently a group using our project put up a Christmas Carol VR play, and the results were most impressive. https://vircadia.com/ https://vircadia.com/ -- it's an open source project
  - matkoniecz 5y ago
    > in addition to that you have a collaborative 3D environment with positional audio where you can script, make games or do other stuff. Well, I see no significant benefit here over a simple list. Not saying that there is none but I am not convinced to do anything with it until I see some actual use for it (and FB is not involved in any way whatsoever).
    - dale_glass 5y ago
      > Well, I see no significant benefit here over a simple list. I don't think I understand? > Not saying that there is none but I am not convinced to do anything with it until I see some actual use for it (and FB is not involved in any way whatsoever) FB is not involved in any way whatsoever in our project. It's not a new idea really. Second Life is close to two decades old at this point, and there's a long tradition of repurposing existing systems/games to other ends.
pjc50 5y ago
Such as the longstanding occupier of this space, Second Life? As people often point out on twitter, we're already in metaverse 1.0. The cyberpunk continuously connected world. It turns out that the 3D surface view of that isn't so necessary or even comfortable for a lot of users. But the connectedness is.
- kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
  Second Life was a lot of fun and sparked a lot of amazing creativity. I still miss it. And I know it is still around, but I think because of some changes it is not the same - also maybe because the people are missing. But there are lessons to be learned and hopefully it can be improved upon. One issue for me was the difficulty of creating a decent looking avatar, and other interface issues. Something NFTs could be poised to solve. (Yes, you could already buy avatars in SL, I know).
  - pjc50 5y ago
    > difficulty of creating a decent looking avatar, and other interface issues How does burning a chunk of electricity on NFTs actually help this? In detail please.
    - kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
      It helps create an industry where people can earn money for designing avatars. That already happened in Second Life, but a more open system could also allow designers to use better tools, and of course make it more worthwhile to begin with. Both for designers as well as for users, as there are more things they can do with their avatar. I don't think burning electricity is the important part.
      - meheleventyone 5y ago
        A more open system doesn't need NFTs it needs standards for interoperability of avatars.
kevingadd 5y ago
I spent a while working on one of the real early metaverses (IMVU) and we already figured out things like compensating artists for their work, enabling derivative works, and properly compensating everyone. We also let people show off art and create custom spaces to experience with their friends, without having to pay gas fees. The absolutely miserable quality of stuff like decentraland combined with the high prices is pathetic, honestly. Tons of ordinary people have been experiencing the real metaverse for years on Second Life, IMVU, etc.
SuoDuanDao 5y ago
You seem knowledgeable in the field - I'm specifically looking to apply NFT tech to pop-sci publishing and debate, do you know of a group working on that or something adjacent?
- andrepd 5y ago
  >I'm specifically looking to apply NFT tech to No

by avaer 5y ago

giraffe_lady 5y ago

> "web 2.0" set the course of internet technology for a decade oh and how did that turn out?

matkoniecz 5y ago

Which uses of metaverse would be useful/entertaining? And so worthwhile that supporting some company would be good use of time and money?

dale_glass 5y ago
To me it's useful/entertaining in the ways forums and chats are, plus some additional features on top of that. Eg, you can talk to people, but in addition to that you have a collaborative 3D environment with positional audio where you can script, make games or do other stuff. Recently a group using our project put up a Christmas Carol VR play, and the results were most impressive. https://vircadia.com/ https://vircadia.com/ -- it's an open source project
- matkoniecz 5y ago
  > in addition to that you have a collaborative 3D environment with positional audio where you can script, make games or do other stuff. Well, I see no significant benefit here over a simple list. Not saying that there is none but I am not convinced to do anything with it until I see some actual use for it (and FB is not involved in any way whatsoever).
  - dale_glass 5y ago
    > Well, I see no significant benefit here over a simple list. I don't think I understand? > Not saying that there is none but I am not convinced to do anything with it until I see some actual use for it (and FB is not involved in any way whatsoever) FB is not involved in any way whatsoever in our project. It's not a new idea really. Second Life is close to two decades old at this point, and there's a long tradition of repurposing existing systems/games to other ends.

pjc50 5y ago

Such as the longstanding occupier of this space, Second Life? As people often point out on twitter, we're already in metaverse 1.0. The cyberpunk continuously connected world. It turns out that the 3D surface view of that isn't so necessary or even comfortable for a lot of users. But the connectedness is.

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
Second Life was a lot of fun and sparked a lot of amazing creativity. I still miss it. And I know it is still around, but I think because of some changes it is not the same - also maybe because the people are missing. But there are lessons to be learned and hopefully it can be improved upon. One issue for me was the difficulty of creating a decent looking avatar, and other interface issues. Something NFTs could be poised to solve. (Yes, you could already buy avatars in SL, I know).
- pjc50 5y ago
  > difficulty of creating a decent looking avatar, and other interface issues How does burning a chunk of electricity on NFTs actually help this? In detail please.
  - kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
    It helps create an industry where people can earn money for designing avatars. That already happened in Second Life, but a more open system could also allow designers to use better tools, and of course make it more worthwhile to begin with. Both for designers as well as for users, as there are more things they can do with their avatar. I don't think burning electricity is the important part.
    - meheleventyone 5y ago
      A more open system doesn't need NFTs it needs standards for interoperability of avatars.

kevingadd 5y ago

I spent a while working on one of the real early metaverses (IMVU) and we already figured out things like compensating artists for their work, enabling derivative works, and properly compensating everyone. We also let people show off art and create custom spaces to experience with their friends, without having to pay gas fees. The absolutely miserable quality of stuff like decentraland combined with the high prices is pathetic, honestly. Tons of ordinary people have been experiencing the real metaverse for years on Second Life, IMVU, etc.

SuoDuanDao 5y ago

You seem knowledgeable in the field - I'm specifically looking to apply NFT tech to pop-sci publishing and debate, do you know of a group working on that or something adjacent?

andrepd 5y ago
>I'm specifically looking to apply NFT tech to No