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Current top 10: 'US: California' '79 points' 'Canada' '48 points' 'US: Washington' '39 points' 'US: New York' '36 points' 'Germany' '35 points' 'Un

Current top 10: 'US: California' '79 points' 'Canada' '48 points' 'US: Washington' '39 points' 'US: New York' '36 points' 'Germany' '35 points' 'United Kingdom' '34 points' 'US: Massachusetts' '19 points' 'Netherlands' '18 points' 'US: Colorado' '17 points' 'Sweden' '16 points' Colorado #9? Really?

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TulliusCicero 5y ago
Denver and Boulder have a good amount of tech. A bit surprised it comes out ahead of Texas though. Also the UK and Germany being about the same is interesting. Germany does have a slightly larger population, but of course the UK is natively English speaking.
- hwc 5y ago
  Texas is without power at the moment.
  - capableweb 5y ago
    Thought you were joking at first, how can an entire state be without power? But seems you're right, how the hell does that happen in a first-world country? Tried to access some dashboards that are supposed to show some data, but not sure if I can't access it because I'm not in the US/Texas or if it's down as well (because they don't have power?) - https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards - https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards/gridconditions https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards/gridconditions - https://www.ercot.com/gridinfo https://www.ercot.com/gridinfo Says "This request was blocked by the security rules" so I'm assuming it's the former.
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    - Retric 5y ago
      https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards/gridconditions https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards/gridconditions Is showing green for me, so some people might be without power but most of the state is fine.
    - vel0city 5y ago
      ERCOT doesn't do power delivery, you wouldn't see how many people are without power by checking out ERCOT. You would want to look at one of the several power delivery companies, such as Oncor. https://stormcenter.oncor.com/ https://stormcenter.oncor.com/ They show 7,073 customers affected by outages out of 3,835,901 customers served. That's 0.18% of customers affected. Texas-New Mexico Power is another power delivery company in Texas. https://www.tnmp.com/power-outage-map https://www.tnmp.com/power-outage-map They are showing 1,195 customers affected. They serve ~400k customers. So ~0.3% of customers are without power for that company. Austin Energy is another power company in Texas, they serve pretty much the entire city of Austin so ~1M customers. They are reporting 24 affected customers. So 0.0024% of customers affected. https://outagemap.austinenergy.com/external/default.html https://outagemap.austinenergy.com/external/default.html The above poster is not right, and neither are you for suggesting some massive amount of the state is without power.
      - capableweb 5y ago
        Thank you, that oncor website seems to be available to me. I was browsing around some news article that seemed to echo the same sentiment, tried to access the source data myself and couldn't, so made an assumption. That was an error on my part and I'm sorry for that. Thank you for providing a better source that seems accessible worldwide.
  - vel0city 5y ago
    Less than 1% of people in Texas lost power from this storm, and most who did lose power lost power for only a few hours tops. More people lost power in Ohio and Tennessee from this storm than people in Texas. Only two people in my network of people I know lost power in Texas, one of which was a coworker's neighbor because said coworker's tree dropped a branch on the neighbor's overhead power delivery line.
  - bdcravens 5y ago
    Actually our grid has held up pretty well this time around.
    - yurishimo 5y ago
      It also didn't get nearly as cold as last year, and not for as long. Plus, the providers ramped up production the first evening to the point where wholesale rates were negative to incentivize more usage. Another week+ of 0 degrees would likely have not been as smooth...
  - Rebelgecko 5y ago
    My parents house in California had no electricity for over a week (Christmas through New Year's, and it was sporadic until about Jan 8). I think the state is still doing fine as a tech hub.
    - kelnos 5y ago
      I think the point is that if a large portion of Texas currently didn't have power (which seems to not be the case, but whatever), then they might be under-represented in this poll because I imagine fewer people in place without power would be browsing HN than usual.
- afr0ck 5y ago
  It's funny how the UK and Germany are growing with the same rate. I checked 10 minutes later and they were 56/57, then I did it again few minutes later and they were 67/68.
- bdcravens 5y ago
  As I type this Texas is at 35 votes; looks like 5th behind California, Canada, Germany, and the UK
- lordnacho 5y ago
  All the relevant people in Germany as well the rest of the continent speak English pretty well.
  - TulliusCicero 5y ago
    I think that’s overselling it slightly. Yeah most techies in Germany are proficient or better in English, but that’s still gonna lead to less English website usage than a natively English speaking population.
- idleproc 5y ago
  Well, EastEnders was on...
- nicholasjarnold 5y ago
  There is an admittedly surprising amount of tech work here (CO). I moved here from Chicago nearly a decade ago for a startup job (not telecommunications, ad tech or government related), and have found that the marketplace for tech jobs has grown heavily since then. Also, given the new(ish) move to remote work that many firms nationally have begun to embrace there is also a strong showing here of people that work in Colorado, but for firms located elsewhere. This is my personal current situation, and I work with a guy who is moving here from the midwest in a couple months to work 100% remote. It's more and more common.
Mc91 5y ago
I know a programmer who moved to Colorado, mainly because he likes to be able to go out on hikes and that sort of thing.
- maxverse 5y ago
  I lived in Boulder for 2 years, and it's not just that there are gorgeous places to explore in CO - there's a culture of adventure and exploration here; everyone is much more likely to finish work early and go hiking, or take a snowboarding break in the middle of the day. It's encouraging and awesome.
wongarsu 5y ago
As percent of total responses, as of right now: 'US: California', '10.87%' 'Canada', '5.79%' 'United Kingdom', '4.51%' 'US: Washington', '4.45%' 'Germany', '4.45%' 'US: New York', '4.32%' 'US: Colorado', '2.10%' 'US: Texas', '1.97%' 'US: Massachusetts', '1.84%' 'France', '1.78%' The US in total makes up 49% of responses so far (even though it is nearly 10pm in most of Europe) Edit: quick and dirty one-liner to get the full table with relative values: data = [...document.querySelectorAll('.fatitem table .athing')].map(el => [el.textContent.trim(), el.nextSibling.textContent.trim()]).sort(([,a], [,b]) => parseInt(b) - parseInt(a)); total = data.map(a => parseInt(a[1])-1).reduce((a,b) => a+b, 0); console.table(data.map(a => [a[0], ((parseInt(a[1])-1)/total*100).toFixed(2) + "%"])); us = data.filter(a => a[0].startsWith("US:")).map(a => parseInt(a[1])-1).reduce((a,b) => a+b, 0); `US makes up ${(us/total*100).toFixed(2)}% of ${total} responses` Edit2: made one-liner even dirtier to account for counts starting at 1
- icco 5y ago
  TIL about console.table. Thanks for sharing!
- young_unixer 5y ago
  It would be cool to see it relative to the population of the country.
- lhorie 5y ago
  Be mindful that the dataset is 1-indexed (i.e. zero votes equal a score of 1), so your script is probably a bit skewed towards non-US.
  - wongarsu 5y ago
    Good catch. Accounting for that brings the US up from currently 50.2% to 52.8%. It also brings California up from 11.75% to 12.86%. I updated my code above to account for that (having to fight the urge to refactor it to be more sensible)
- e12e 5y ago
  Is there are reasonable way to do this on a mobile browser?
rakkhi 5y ago
Can't we just aggregate all of the US or worth splitting out cities/states/provinces for other countries also.. Think it makes the point of even this forum being US centric
- smt88 5y ago
  This forum is run by a US company and was originally made for their US portfolio. Large US states are more populous than most countries, and the US tech industry is orders of magnitude larger than most countries'. If US weren't broken out, it would be a huge outlier at the top and wouldn't be nearly as interesting. I don't know of any other country that would make the chart that much more interesting by being broken up.
starwind 5y ago
Google and Amazon have a pretty big showing in Denver/Boulder area and Apple's expanding an engineering office here. Denver's also a big telecommunications and defense hub. Both industries employ armies of developers

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TulliusCicero 5y ago

Denver and Boulder have a good amount of tech. A bit surprised it comes out ahead of Texas though. Also the UK and Germany being about the same is interesting. Germany does have a slightly larger population, but of course the UK is natively English speaking.

hwc 5y ago
Texas is without power at the moment.
- capableweb 5y ago
  Thought you were joking at first, how can an entire state be without power? But seems you're right, how the hell does that happen in a first-world country? Tried to access some dashboards that are supposed to show some data, but not sure if I can't access it because I'm not in the US/Texas or if it's down as well (because they don't have power?) - https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards - https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards/gridconditions https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards/gridconditions - https://www.ercot.com/gridinfo https://www.ercot.com/gridinfo Says "This request was blocked by the security rules" so I'm assuming it's the former.
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  - Retric 5y ago
    https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards/gridconditions https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards/gridconditions Is showing green for me, so some people might be without power but most of the state is fine.
  - vel0city 5y ago
    ERCOT doesn't do power delivery, you wouldn't see how many people are without power by checking out ERCOT. You would want to look at one of the several power delivery companies, such as Oncor. https://stormcenter.oncor.com/ https://stormcenter.oncor.com/ They show 7,073 customers affected by outages out of 3,835,901 customers served. That's 0.18% of customers affected. Texas-New Mexico Power is another power delivery company in Texas. https://www.tnmp.com/power-outage-map https://www.tnmp.com/power-outage-map They are showing 1,195 customers affected. They serve ~400k customers. So ~0.3% of customers are without power for that company. Austin Energy is another power company in Texas, they serve pretty much the entire city of Austin so ~1M customers. They are reporting 24 affected customers. So 0.0024% of customers affected. https://outagemap.austinenergy.com/external/default.html https://outagemap.austinenergy.com/external/default.html The above poster is not right, and neither are you for suggesting some massive amount of the state is without power.
    - capableweb 5y ago
      Thank you, that oncor website seems to be available to me. I was browsing around some news article that seemed to echo the same sentiment, tried to access the source data myself and couldn't, so made an assumption. That was an error on my part and I'm sorry for that. Thank you for providing a better source that seems accessible worldwide.
- vel0city 5y ago
  Less than 1% of people in Texas lost power from this storm, and most who did lose power lost power for only a few hours tops. More people lost power in Ohio and Tennessee from this storm than people in Texas. Only two people in my network of people I know lost power in Texas, one of which was a coworker's neighbor because said coworker's tree dropped a branch on the neighbor's overhead power delivery line.
- bdcravens 5y ago
  Actually our grid has held up pretty well this time around.
  - yurishimo 5y ago
    It also didn't get nearly as cold as last year, and not for as long. Plus, the providers ramped up production the first evening to the point where wholesale rates were negative to incentivize more usage. Another week+ of 0 degrees would likely have not been as smooth...
- Rebelgecko 5y ago
  My parents house in California had no electricity for over a week (Christmas through New Year's, and it was sporadic until about Jan 8). I think the state is still doing fine as a tech hub.
  - kelnos 5y ago
    I think the point is that if a large portion of Texas currently didn't have power (which seems to not be the case, but whatever), then they might be under-represented in this poll because I imagine fewer people in place without power would be browsing HN than usual.
afr0ck 5y ago
It's funny how the UK and Germany are growing with the same rate. I checked 10 minutes later and they were 56/57, then I did it again few minutes later and they were 67/68.
bdcravens 5y ago
As I type this Texas is at 35 votes; looks like 5th behind California, Canada, Germany, and the UK
lordnacho 5y ago
All the relevant people in Germany as well the rest of the continent speak English pretty well.
- TulliusCicero 5y ago
  I think that’s overselling it slightly. Yeah most techies in Germany are proficient or better in English, but that’s still gonna lead to less English website usage than a natively English speaking population.
idleproc 5y ago
Well, EastEnders was on...
nicholasjarnold 5y ago
There is an admittedly surprising amount of tech work here (CO). I moved here from Chicago nearly a decade ago for a startup job (not telecommunications, ad tech or government related), and have found that the marketplace for tech jobs has grown heavily since then. Also, given the new(ish) move to remote work that many firms nationally have begun to embrace there is also a strong showing here of people that work in Colorado, but for firms located elsewhere. This is my personal current situation, and I work with a guy who is moving here from the midwest in a couple months to work 100% remote. It's more and more common.

Mc91 5y ago

I know a programmer who moved to Colorado, mainly because he likes to be able to go out on hikes and that sort of thing.

maxverse 5y ago
I lived in Boulder for 2 years, and it's not just that there are gorgeous places to explore in CO - there's a culture of adventure and exploration here; everyone is much more likely to finish work early and go hiking, or take a snowboarding break in the middle of the day. It's encouraging and awesome.

wongarsu 5y ago

As percent of total responses, as of right now: 'US: California', '10.87%' 'Canada', '5.79%' 'United Kingdom', '4.51%' 'US: Washington', '4.45%' 'Germany', '4.45%' 'US: New York', '4.32%' 'US: Colorado', '2.10%' 'US: Texas', '1.97%' 'US: Massachusetts', '1.84%' 'France', '1.78%' The US in total makes up 49% of responses so far (even though it is nearly 10pm in most of Europe) Edit: quick and dirty one-liner to get the full table with relative values: data = [...document.querySelectorAll('.fatitem table .athing')].map(el => [el.textContent.trim(), el.nextSibling.textContent.trim()]).sort(([,a], [,b]) => parseInt(b) - parseInt(a)); total = data.map(a => parseInt(a[1])-1).reduce((a,b) => a+b, 0); console.table(data.map(a => [a[0], ((parseInt(a[1])-1)/total*100).toFixed(2) + "%"])); us = data.filter(a => a[0].startsWith("US:")).map(a => parseInt(a[1])-1).reduce((a,b) => a+b, 0); `US makes up ${(us/total*100).toFixed(2)}% of ${total} responses` Edit2: made one-liner even dirtier to account for counts starting at 1

icco 5y ago
TIL about console.table. Thanks for sharing!
young_unixer 5y ago
It would be cool to see it relative to the population of the country.
lhorie 5y ago
Be mindful that the dataset is 1-indexed (i.e. zero votes equal a score of 1), so your script is probably a bit skewed towards non-US.
- wongarsu 5y ago
  Good catch. Accounting for that brings the US up from currently 50.2% to 52.8%. It also brings California up from 11.75% to 12.86%. I updated my code above to account for that (having to fight the urge to refactor it to be more sensible)
e12e 5y ago
Is there are reasonable way to do this on a mobile browser?

rakkhi 5y ago

Can't we just aggregate all of the US or worth splitting out cities/states/provinces for other countries also.. Think it makes the point of even this forum being US centric

smt88 5y ago
This forum is run by a US company and was originally made for their US portfolio. Large US states are more populous than most countries, and the US tech industry is orders of magnitude larger than most countries'. If US weren't broken out, it would be a huge outlier at the top and wouldn't be nearly as interesting. I don't know of any other country that would make the chart that much more interesting by being broken up.

starwind 5y ago

Google and Amazon have a pretty big showing in Denver/Boulder area and Apple's expanding an engineering office here. Denver's also a big telecommunications and defense hub. Both industries employ armies of developers