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How it started - https://i.imgur.com/7Cyia1U.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/7Cyia1U.jpeg How it is going - https://archive.fo/pdYHy#selection-525.105-525.423 https:/

by slt2021 5y ago

How it started - https://i.imgur.com/7Cyia1U.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/7Cyia1U.jpeg How it is going - https://archive.fo/pdYHy#selection-525.105-525.423 https://archive.fo/pdYHy#selection-525.105-525.423

tgv 5y ago
That first post, is that the acceptance speech for a Nobel prize?
- oblio 5y ago
  I would like to thank my cat, Mr. Freckles, for being there for meow.
- udbhavs 5y ago
  I'm also curious about that. I'm just starting out in industry and am confused if most people are expected to do that. Do future recruiters go through your old linkedin posts for stuff like this? Or is it just a general update for their personal circle - basically the corporate version of instagram stories.
  - MattGaiser 5y ago
    Recruiters won't even read my programming languages. I have gone to so many interviews where they didn't even check that the skills they wanted were on my resume.
  - ljm 5y ago
    It's just people being happy about something that's happened for them. Given how capricious a company like Amazon is, though, the professional speech is probably to avoid giving Amazon a different reason to complain. It's gonna be a different situation for someone taking their first programming job out of college, and someone who's been doing it for long enough that they don't care (and would probably fire a company like Amazon before being fired themselves).
  - freewilly1040 5y ago
    The latter, and about as worthwhile.
- vultour 5y ago
  Are you not on Linkedin? This self-aggrandizing cringe is 95% of the content in the feed, I'm always amazed people can write this with a straight face.
  - tgv 5y ago
    I guess linkedin has a different vibe over here. I've seen some self-congratulatory and groveling posts, but nowhere near this level of influencer-style humblebragging.
  - bdlowery 5y ago
    After grinding leetcode for months, and going through 4 interviews, you feel like you’ve “finally made it” which is why people post cringey posts like that.
    - Aeolun 5y ago
      The people that don’t grind leetcode like that don’t feel the need to make posts either.
    - operatingthetan 5y ago
      Because they've finally transformed themselves into the husk of a human and are now ready for their new soul crushing dev role at Amazon? More seriously most linkedin posts I see are recruiters feeling sorry for themselves despite their bad behavior and looking for social support because of their plight.
  - pm90 5y ago
    It’s normalized on the platform because that’s how people higher up the food chain speak like. Eg when a VP switches companies. Most of the time these things are written by a PR person to be as grateful and inoffensive as possible. But then it caught on because everyone loves to humblebrag.
    - tgv 5y ago
      True. Reminds me of the time stackoverflow had hired someone for "developer relations". I think the title was "VP", and the recruit was described as "a veteran story-teller". Now having a VP send emails to developers is already a bit of stretch, and why you'd need someone at the level of Hans Christian Andersen to do so is anybody's guess, but the press release started: "We're beyond excited to ...". Was the CEO really yapping around the office, drooling from the mouth, barely controlling his bladder out of joy over this new hire? So yes, hyperbole just seems not to cut it any longer, and the answer is going into overdrive.
HL33tibCe7 5y ago
The second post in your second link is shocking too: > One night, when I was a dev manager at Amazon, another dev manager in Seattle sent me a 20-page design document at 11:30 pm and told me that he wanted me to get him feedback by 5:30 am the next day. How fucking rude is that? It’s indicative of an absolutely staggering level of toxicity. Honestly, what a waste. Imagine how much better Amazon could be if they didn’t treat their staff like cattle.
- deepsun 5y ago
  Why not just ignoring the email -- you're not supposed to be awake at 11:30pm at all.
- severak_cz 5y ago
  I expected some timezone difference was here but no - this is a just a toxic person.
  - shrumm 5y ago
    it’s also worrying this person was checking his email at 1130pm.
    - DarylZero 5y ago
      They didn't even say they read it at 11:30, they said it was sent at 11:30.
      - shrumm 5y ago
        fair. just to clarify though - i find the expectation to be always online / checking work email at all hours also a sign of a toxic workplace. definitely could have phrased my original comment better.
- jonathankoren 5y ago
  That’s when you CC (don’t BCC, you want them to know) yours and theirs managers on the email that says that says plainly, “If you expected this to be done by 5:30 am, you should have sent two days before. Perhaps this can help you be more efficient with your time.” and include a link to a YouTube — or better yet, an internal training video — on effective time management or setting deadlines. Seriously. You publicly stick the knife in for this shit.
labrador 5y ago
He's still just a youngin' with plenty of time to figure out what he did wrong. Everybody's gotta learn sometime.
ActorNightly 5y ago
His post 5 months after joining was a repost of someone criticizing Amazon. And then he ended up getting PIPed recently. His linked profile is all over the place too with work experience, he never held a job longer than 4 months. Dunno if I would automatically side with his story from that.
- amrocha 5y ago
  I would expect him to not have worked anywhere longer than 4 months considering he just graduated and those were internships
  - ActorNightly 5y ago
    The Full stack developer and ML engineer seem like full positions, considering he listed internships specifically in his prior experience as explicit internships. Also he has a background in bio, and managed to land a full stack and ML engineer positions, implying he is self taught, and therefore should be already fairly intelligent...but he decided to go get his MS in CS, without even doing any research project and just opting for the GTA instead of GRA route. None of us can really know for sure, Im just saying it smells a little fishy. If his resume came across my desk, Id have some specific questions about his experience. If you are that smart to have a background in bio, and land the jobs that he did, your career would look very different.
    - joconde 5y ago
      > If you are that smart to have a background in bio, and land the jobs that he did, your career would look very different. Is that really so impressive? Bio people do a lot of coding, and good dev practices can be learned on the job. ML is probably also something he played with during his studies. Full stack + some ML experience is probably enough for a junior ML engineer.
      - ActorNightly 5y ago
        Sure but then having those jobs for 3 months at a time still looks shady
ramchip 5y ago
Is there an alternative link for the second? `archive.fo` doesn't resolve on some networks[1]... [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317 Edit: I think it's https://www.linkedin.com/posts/hire-jiawei-wang_hi-linkedin-connections-i-am-ready-for-my-activity-6894943241523875840-tZ7C https://www.linkedin.com/posts/hire-jiawei-wang_hi-linkedin-...
colordrops 5y ago
> Being oncall every 4 weeks for a team that lost 50% Ugh this hits too close to home.
peteradio 5y ago
> if I submited 51k lines of code in January and my whole team submitted 68k, do not call me a "Least Effective". Hmm, I think I've known this type of fuckabout whose massive submissions totally screw any hope of team cohesiveness and trust. Ok, slugger you can write shitloads of lines of code. Is it any good? Why would I want that much code when a factor of 10 less is more manageable?

tgv 5y ago

That first post, is that the acceptance speech for a Nobel prize?

oblio 5y ago
I would like to thank my cat, Mr. Freckles, for being there for meow.
udbhavs 5y ago
I'm also curious about that. I'm just starting out in industry and am confused if most people are expected to do that. Do future recruiters go through your old linkedin posts for stuff like this? Or is it just a general update for their personal circle - basically the corporate version of instagram stories.
- MattGaiser 5y ago
  Recruiters won't even read my programming languages. I have gone to so many interviews where they didn't even check that the skills they wanted were on my resume.
- ljm 5y ago
  It's just people being happy about something that's happened for them. Given how capricious a company like Amazon is, though, the professional speech is probably to avoid giving Amazon a different reason to complain. It's gonna be a different situation for someone taking their first programming job out of college, and someone who's been doing it for long enough that they don't care (and would probably fire a company like Amazon before being fired themselves).
- freewilly1040 5y ago
  The latter, and about as worthwhile.
vultour 5y ago
Are you not on Linkedin? This self-aggrandizing cringe is 95% of the content in the feed, I'm always amazed people can write this with a straight face.
- tgv 5y ago
  I guess linkedin has a different vibe over here. I've seen some self-congratulatory and groveling posts, but nowhere near this level of influencer-style humblebragging.
- bdlowery 5y ago
  After grinding leetcode for months, and going through 4 interviews, you feel like you’ve “finally made it” which is why people post cringey posts like that.
  - Aeolun 5y ago
    The people that don’t grind leetcode like that don’t feel the need to make posts either.
  - operatingthetan 5y ago
    Because they've finally transformed themselves into the husk of a human and are now ready for their new soul crushing dev role at Amazon? More seriously most linkedin posts I see are recruiters feeling sorry for themselves despite their bad behavior and looking for social support because of their plight.
- pm90 5y ago
  It’s normalized on the platform because that’s how people higher up the food chain speak like. Eg when a VP switches companies. Most of the time these things are written by a PR person to be as grateful and inoffensive as possible. But then it caught on because everyone loves to humblebrag.
  - tgv 5y ago
    True. Reminds me of the time stackoverflow had hired someone for "developer relations". I think the title was "VP", and the recruit was described as "a veteran story-teller". Now having a VP send emails to developers is already a bit of stretch, and why you'd need someone at the level of Hans Christian Andersen to do so is anybody's guess, but the press release started: "We're beyond excited to ...". Was the CEO really yapping around the office, drooling from the mouth, barely controlling his bladder out of joy over this new hire? So yes, hyperbole just seems not to cut it any longer, and the answer is going into overdrive.

HL33tibCe7 5y ago

The second post in your second link is shocking too: > One night, when I was a dev manager at Amazon, another dev manager in Seattle sent me a 20-page design document at 11:30 pm and told me that he wanted me to get him feedback by 5:30 am the next day. How fucking rude is that? It’s indicative of an absolutely staggering level of toxicity. Honestly, what a waste. Imagine how much better Amazon could be if they didn’t treat their staff like cattle.

deepsun 5y ago
Why not just ignoring the email -- you're not supposed to be awake at 11:30pm at all.
severak_cz 5y ago
I expected some timezone difference was here but no - this is a just a toxic person.
- shrumm 5y ago
  it’s also worrying this person was checking his email at 1130pm.
  - DarylZero 5y ago
    They didn't even say they read it at 11:30, they said it was sent at 11:30.
    - shrumm 5y ago
      fair. just to clarify though - i find the expectation to be always online / checking work email at all hours also a sign of a toxic workplace. definitely could have phrased my original comment better.
jonathankoren 5y ago
That’s when you CC (don’t BCC, you want them to know) yours and theirs managers on the email that says that says plainly, “If you expected this to be done by 5:30 am, you should have sent two days before. Perhaps this can help you be more efficient with your time.” and include a link to a YouTube — or better yet, an internal training video — on effective time management or setting deadlines. Seriously. You publicly stick the knife in for this shit.

labrador 5y ago

He's still just a youngin' with plenty of time to figure out what he did wrong. Everybody's gotta learn sometime.

ActorNightly 5y ago

His post 5 months after joining was a repost of someone criticizing Amazon. And then he ended up getting PIPed recently. His linked profile is all over the place too with work experience, he never held a job longer than 4 months. Dunno if I would automatically side with his story from that.

amrocha 5y ago
I would expect him to not have worked anywhere longer than 4 months considering he just graduated and those were internships
- ActorNightly 5y ago
  The Full stack developer and ML engineer seem like full positions, considering he listed internships specifically in his prior experience as explicit internships. Also he has a background in bio, and managed to land a full stack and ML engineer positions, implying he is self taught, and therefore should be already fairly intelligent...but he decided to go get his MS in CS, without even doing any research project and just opting for the GTA instead of GRA route. None of us can really know for sure, Im just saying it smells a little fishy. If his resume came across my desk, Id have some specific questions about his experience. If you are that smart to have a background in bio, and land the jobs that he did, your career would look very different.
  - joconde 5y ago
    > If you are that smart to have a background in bio, and land the jobs that he did, your career would look very different. Is that really so impressive? Bio people do a lot of coding, and good dev practices can be learned on the job. ML is probably also something he played with during his studies. Full stack + some ML experience is probably enough for a junior ML engineer.
    - ActorNightly 5y ago
      Sure but then having those jobs for 3 months at a time still looks shady

ramchip 5y ago

Is there an alternative link for the second? `archive.fo` doesn't resolve on some networks[1]... [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317 Edit: I think it's https://www.linkedin.com/posts/hire-jiawei-wang_hi-linkedin-connections-i-am-ready-for-my-activity-6894943241523875840-tZ7C https://www.linkedin.com/posts/hire-jiawei-wang_hi-linkedin-...

colordrops 5y ago

> Being oncall every 4 weeks for a team that lost 50% Ugh this hits too close to home.

peteradio 5y ago

> if I submited 51k lines of code in January and my whole team submitted 68k, do not call me a "Least Effective". Hmm, I think I've known this type of fuckabout whose massive submissions totally screw any hope of team cohesiveness and trust. Ok, slugger you can write shitloads of lines of code. Is it any good? Why would I want that much code when a factor of 10 less is more manageable?