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When the metaverse actually launches they will skyrocket. They were smart to pivot early. Saying the 'metaverse' is on FB right now is similar to people selli

by ProAm 5y ago

When the metaverse actually launches they will skyrocket. They were smart to pivot early. Saying the 'metaverse' is on FB right now is similar to people selling acres on the Moon before anyone landed. FB is planting an imaginary flag on the 'metaverse' hoping they can technically catch up to their claims and capitalize on it.

cwkoss 5y ago
I feel like "selling acres on the Moon" and "smart" are at significant odds with each other...
- ProAm 5y ago
  If someone asks you for $25.00 for an acre on the moon, you'd probably pay it just in case its a future lottery ticket.
  - toxican 5y ago
    No, I'd point to those sites that sell stars and laugh in their face.
  - cwkoss 5y ago
    I'll sell you up to 50,000,000 acres on Mars for 1/5,000,000th of a bitcoin each, lmk if you want me to send a btc address. Proof of ownership will be provided as a convenient and portable .txt file If you but the whole amount, I'll write into my will that my decendant's also have to honor your claim. If any of them becomes king or queen of mars, could be quite lucrative!
Victerius 5y ago
I predict the Metaverse will fail, and fail early. It will be Google Plus, but worse. No one I personally know cares about Metaverse, including young people and Facebook users.
- ProAm 5y ago
  The 'metaverse' in terms that there will absolutely be a VR cyber/world/land/facebook/sims2/second life experience. Will it be what FB wants it to be (they want to cash in), probably not but this is 100% coming. Looks at every immersive games (WOW, Second Life, etc...) in the past, even if its just that it will be hugely lucrative and successful.
  - Victerius 5y ago
    We already have video games for that.
    - ProAm 5y ago
      Metaverse is like a video game with WAY more money and reach.
      - spywaregorilla 5y ago
        Eh, not really. Video game design is hard. You won't succeed trying to make social media into a video game. People like to point to things like Ready Player One, but honestly both the book and the movie's depiction of the game were stupid. They would not work. That's not how games work.
        ipaddr 5y ago
        "You won't succeed trying to make social media into a video game" The comment that tells me facebook is on to something.
        spywaregorilla 5y ago
        shrug. Let's check back in 5 years.
      - riskneutral 5y ago
        > Metaverse is like a video game with WAY more money and reach. Metaverse is like a video game, except every time you play you are forced to have an awkward family and high school reunion (both at the same time).
SrslyJosh 5y ago
> When the metaverse actually launches I think you need to define "metaverse". What is it, besides an ugly, much less functional Second Life? Who's launching it? What is it good for? Why would someone use it over...well, you have to define what it's good for before I can even ask that question.
- pessimizer 5y ago
  What you're forgetting is the 3D TV aspect of this version of Second Life that will push it over the top. What Second Life was missing is a pair of goggles that you had to wear and a Facebook login.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  I'm hoping for a better looking second life. If they can achieve that..
- Calist0 5y ago
  What is it good for? - Work meetings - Socializing - Dating - Creative endeavors - Improved workspace You'll be able to have work meetings at a virtual office. You can do that now, but the experience will be better. You'll be able to socialize with friends across the world, meet up at virtual replicated areas (like a rooftop bar in NYC..) and meet other people while you're there. You'll be able to go on virtual dates with a long-distance partner. You'll be able to put on your lightweight VR headset and be stationed at a better workstation, with larger monitors where you can manipulate the interface with movements of your hands without the cost of buying such a work set-up in real life. You'll be able to sit on your couch, put on your VR headset and watch movies on a 100 inch TV screen without having to furnish your home with a TV. The possibilities are endless. Where's your imagination?
  - uejfiweun 5y ago
    None of these applications are going to take off until the XR hardware becomes a lot more seamless. It needs to be as easy as pulling out a phone or putting on a pair of sunglasses. The metaverse will not succeed as long as it is tied to clunky VR strap on headsets with bad FOVs and low resolution that make you look like a dork.
1270018080 5y ago
Your first sentences and last sentences contradict each other in my mind. They're selling nonense. I don't know why they're pushing the metaverse so hard in media. It feels as astroturfed as crypto is. I'm not putting on a VR headset to go to a meeting, I would literally never want that.
- ProAm 5y ago
  That is why I related it to people selling real estate on the Moon when moon landings were yet feasible. They are clearing trying to associate the brand Metaverse with Facebook right now, and hoping they can fill in the backend when they (possibly) have the capability to. They are trying to steal brand recognition for vaporware right now. Playing the long game.
- sorry_outta_gas 5y ago
  It kills me that they are pushing and have everyone talking about the worst, most boring uses of VR I'm guessing what will happen is that this will open enough doors and develop some early talent to go on to something worthwhile
- Karrot_Kream 5y ago
  > It feels as astroturfed as crypto is. I'm curious, how do you expect promotion to actually happen if you feel like "this" (this being a change in branding by a large company) is astroturfing? What is a non-astroturfing way to promote a new idea/product/thing? Or do you think any form of promotion is astroturfing?
chaostheory 5y ago
I'm long on Meta as well and I really like the Quest (2), but the metaverse already had a soft launch. What Meta has been able to accomplish so far is impressive, but it's still not enough. What's the status quo with VR problems? - Price: This was fixed with Quest 2 - Complexity: This was also fixed with Quest. - Socially acceptable: Nope. Even when you remove the issue of the toxicity surrounding Facebook's brand, most people refuse to either try or use VR regularly. Case in point, Meta is giving away Quest 2's to their employees and contractors. imo it's surprising to me that not all of them took the offer. One common answer I get is, "This is going to be as gimicky as the Wii right?". imo the form factor is what drives normal people away. It has to be smaller and closer to goggles before mass acceptance happens. Apple is most likely right on their approach, based on their patent submissions. Conversely, Apple's weakness will be price.
- spywaregorilla 5y ago
  VR is gimmicky, like the Wii. Its full of worlds with great freedom of movement that are designed to hide the fact that you have very limited freedom of movement.
  - chaostheory 5y ago
    > designed to hide the fact that you have very limited freedom of movement. That highly depends on your setup. The more physical space you have, the better if you want to move. > VR is gimmicky, like the Wii. Have you even used modern VR yet before panning it? Google Cardboard is ancient and doesn't count as modern VR. I ask because this answer tends to come from people who haven't tried it.
    - spywaregorilla 5y ago
      I have an index with a ton of room. I've tried a quest 2. It all still kind of sucks. I've also done a VR warehouse thing with the gun. It also sucked. Admirable efforts on the game designers to overcome its limitations, but the limitations are real.
fouc 5y ago
You sound like an NFT believer
- saboot 5y ago
  I was searching for a way to describe how the meta is being marketed, and this is perfect.
t_serpico 5y ago
I think renaming was a massive strategic mistake. The metaverse, even if it succeeds from a technical standpoint, will need to be deemed 'cool' for people to adopt it. And generally, if you have something cool, you don't prematurely blurt it out to the rest of the world.
- uejfiweun 5y ago
  Agreed, and they also could have named this concept after something cooler than the metaverse from Ready Player One. It was a pretty bad book and movie IMO. They should have chosen the "Holodeck" and renamed themselves "Holo".
  - IHLayman 5y ago
    Didn’t Ready Player One call their VR world the OASIS? I thought the term metaverse came from Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson, which was actually a pretty good book (even if the ending was a bit off the rails)…
    - uejfiweun 5y ago
      Ah, you know what? You're right. And Snow Crash is indeed one of my favorite books. Guess this is a sign that it's probably about time to reread it.
anm89 5y ago
The metaverse already exists. It has for 10+ years. FB isn't betting on the metaverse existing. They are betting that they can make some new walled portion off it that will be so big that it will esentially be the whole thing. Personally, I don't like their odds at all.
mrweasel 5y ago
The main issue with selling "the metaverse" is that Facebook can't do it. Zuckerberg has made sure that the would be early adopters are steering clear of anything coming out of Facebook/Meta. You can't piss of the tech entusiasts, reviewers, podcasts and everyone in between by constantly exhibiting poor judgement, arrogant behavior and blatantly invading peoples privacy, and then expect them to be excited about your next venture. Facebook has burned pretty much any goodwill it might have had, and now it want's you to emerge yourself in it's VR world? Zuckerberg has to be incredibly delusional if he think that's going to sell.

by ProAm 5y ago

cwkoss 5y ago

I feel like "selling acres on the Moon" and "smart" are at significant odds with each other...

ProAm 5y ago
If someone asks you for $25.00 for an acre on the moon, you'd probably pay it just in case its a future lottery ticket.
- toxican 5y ago
  No, I'd point to those sites that sell stars and laugh in their face.
- cwkoss 5y ago
  I'll sell you up to 50,000,000 acres on Mars for 1/5,000,000th of a bitcoin each, lmk if you want me to send a btc address. Proof of ownership will be provided as a convenient and portable .txt file If you but the whole amount, I'll write into my will that my decendant's also have to honor your claim. If any of them becomes king or queen of mars, could be quite lucrative!

Victerius 5y ago

I predict the Metaverse will fail, and fail early. It will be Google Plus, but worse. No one I personally know cares about Metaverse, including young people and Facebook users.

ProAm 5y ago
The 'metaverse' in terms that there will absolutely be a VR cyber/world/land/facebook/sims2/second life experience. Will it be what FB wants it to be (they want to cash in), probably not but this is 100% coming. Looks at every immersive games (WOW, Second Life, etc...) in the past, even if its just that it will be hugely lucrative and successful.
- Victerius 5y ago
  We already have video games for that.
  - ProAm 5y ago
    Metaverse is like a video game with WAY more money and reach.
    - spywaregorilla 5y ago
      Eh, not really. Video game design is hard. You won't succeed trying to make social media into a video game. People like to point to things like Ready Player One, but honestly both the book and the movie's depiction of the game were stupid. They would not work. That's not how games work.
      - ipaddr 5y ago
        "You won't succeed trying to make social media into a video game" The comment that tells me facebook is on to something.
        spywaregorilla 5y ago
        shrug. Let's check back in 5 years.
    - riskneutral 5y ago
      > Metaverse is like a video game with WAY more money and reach. Metaverse is like a video game, except every time you play you are forced to have an awkward family and high school reunion (both at the same time).

SrslyJosh 5y ago

> When the metaverse actually launches I think you need to define "metaverse". What is it, besides an ugly, much less functional Second Life? Who's launching it? What is it good for? Why would someone use it over...well, you have to define what it's good for before I can even ask that question.

pessimizer 5y ago
What you're forgetting is the 3D TV aspect of this version of Second Life that will push it over the top. What Second Life was missing is a pair of goggles that you had to wear and a Facebook login.
ipaddr 5y ago
I'm hoping for a better looking second life. If they can achieve that..
Calist0 5y ago
What is it good for? - Work meetings - Socializing - Dating - Creative endeavors - Improved workspace You'll be able to have work meetings at a virtual office. You can do that now, but the experience will be better. You'll be able to socialize with friends across the world, meet up at virtual replicated areas (like a rooftop bar in NYC..) and meet other people while you're there. You'll be able to go on virtual dates with a long-distance partner. You'll be able to put on your lightweight VR headset and be stationed at a better workstation, with larger monitors where you can manipulate the interface with movements of your hands without the cost of buying such a work set-up in real life. You'll be able to sit on your couch, put on your VR headset and watch movies on a 100 inch TV screen without having to furnish your home with a TV. The possibilities are endless. Where's your imagination?
- uejfiweun 5y ago
  None of these applications are going to take off until the XR hardware becomes a lot more seamless. It needs to be as easy as pulling out a phone or putting on a pair of sunglasses. The metaverse will not succeed as long as it is tied to clunky VR strap on headsets with bad FOVs and low resolution that make you look like a dork.

1270018080 5y ago

Your first sentences and last sentences contradict each other in my mind. They're selling nonense. I don't know why they're pushing the metaverse so hard in media. It feels as astroturfed as crypto is. I'm not putting on a VR headset to go to a meeting, I would literally never want that.

ProAm 5y ago
That is why I related it to people selling real estate on the Moon when moon landings were yet feasible. They are clearing trying to associate the brand Metaverse with Facebook right now, and hoping they can fill in the backend when they (possibly) have the capability to. They are trying to steal brand recognition for vaporware right now. Playing the long game.
sorry_outta_gas 5y ago
It kills me that they are pushing and have everyone talking about the worst, most boring uses of VR I'm guessing what will happen is that this will open enough doors and develop some early talent to go on to something worthwhile
Karrot_Kream 5y ago
> It feels as astroturfed as crypto is. I'm curious, how do you expect promotion to actually happen if you feel like "this" (this being a change in branding by a large company) is astroturfing? What is a non-astroturfing way to promote a new idea/product/thing? Or do you think any form of promotion is astroturfing?

chaostheory 5y ago

I'm long on Meta as well and I really like the Quest (2), but the metaverse already had a soft launch. What Meta has been able to accomplish so far is impressive, but it's still not enough. What's the status quo with VR problems? - Price: This was fixed with Quest 2 - Complexity: This was also fixed with Quest. - Socially acceptable: Nope. Even when you remove the issue of the toxicity surrounding Facebook's brand, most people refuse to either try or use VR regularly. Case in point, Meta is giving away Quest 2's to their employees and contractors. imo it's surprising to me that not all of them took the offer. One common answer I get is, "This is going to be as gimicky as the Wii right?". imo the form factor is what drives normal people away. It has to be smaller and closer to goggles before mass acceptance happens. Apple is most likely right on their approach, based on their patent submissions. Conversely, Apple's weakness will be price.

spywaregorilla 5y ago
VR is gimmicky, like the Wii. Its full of worlds with great freedom of movement that are designed to hide the fact that you have very limited freedom of movement.
- chaostheory 5y ago
  > designed to hide the fact that you have very limited freedom of movement. That highly depends on your setup. The more physical space you have, the better if you want to move. > VR is gimmicky, like the Wii. Have you even used modern VR yet before panning it? Google Cardboard is ancient and doesn't count as modern VR. I ask because this answer tends to come from people who haven't tried it.
  - spywaregorilla 5y ago
    I have an index with a ton of room. I've tried a quest 2. It all still kind of sucks. I've also done a VR warehouse thing with the gun. It also sucked. Admirable efforts on the game designers to overcome its limitations, but the limitations are real.

fouc 5y ago

You sound like an NFT believer

saboot 5y ago
I was searching for a way to describe how the meta is being marketed, and this is perfect.

t_serpico 5y ago

I think renaming was a massive strategic mistake. The metaverse, even if it succeeds from a technical standpoint, will need to be deemed 'cool' for people to adopt it. And generally, if you have something cool, you don't prematurely blurt it out to the rest of the world.

uejfiweun 5y ago
Agreed, and they also could have named this concept after something cooler than the metaverse from Ready Player One. It was a pretty bad book and movie IMO. They should have chosen the "Holodeck" and renamed themselves "Holo".
- IHLayman 5y ago
  Didn’t Ready Player One call their VR world the OASIS? I thought the term metaverse came from Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson, which was actually a pretty good book (even if the ending was a bit off the rails)…
  - uejfiweun 5y ago
    Ah, you know what? You're right. And Snow Crash is indeed one of my favorite books. Guess this is a sign that it's probably about time to reread it.

anm89 5y ago

The metaverse already exists. It has for 10+ years. FB isn't betting on the metaverse existing. They are betting that they can make some new walled portion off it that will be so big that it will esentially be the whole thing. Personally, I don't like their odds at all.

mrweasel 5y ago

The main issue with selling "the metaverse" is that Facebook can't do it. Zuckerberg has made sure that the would be early adopters are steering clear of anything coming out of Facebook/Meta. You can't piss of the tech entusiasts, reviewers, podcasts and everyone in between by constantly exhibiting poor judgement, arrogant behavior and blatantly invading peoples privacy, and then expect them to be excited about your next venture. Facebook has burned pretty much any goodwill it might have had, and now it want's you to emerge yourself in it's VR world? Zuckerberg has to be incredibly delusional if he think that's going to sell.