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There are actually videos of people at the trucker protest shouting out those people, from their area at least and just because YOU haven't seen that doesn't me

There are actually videos of people at the trucker protest shouting out those people, from their area at least and just because YOU haven't seen that doesn't mean it isn't happening. Those 'swastika' people always seem to be fully masked up, with even full face masks, hiding their identity. Just because they aren't beating them up in the street doesn't mean they aren't against them. You see some protests with some people burning down multiple buildings that are called mostly peaceful protests, and yet you are claiming because there may be 1 or 2 people out of 50,000 carrying a confederate flag that that is now represents the protest. Again, these people are against vaccine mandates and are not vaccine deniers - there is a big difference. Many countries have even removed all forms of vaccine passports and mandates because it has been proven that vaccines do not stop the spread of the virus. Canada is simply behind the curve in recognizing this.

Daishiman 5y ago
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  I think it is fine to disagree with the cause, but the insight was about rhetorical techniques in public thought and their prevalence over time. I think the point boils down to that people who disagree with the cause should ridicule the cause, and resist the urge build strawmen. Critiques of AnTifa rioters don't don't generalize to BLM protestors. Critiques of AOC aren't the same as critiques of democrats. Critiques of pedophiles are not critiques of privacy advocates. On some level, people making these generations know them not to be true, but we still repeat them.
- db48x 5y ago
  > Does that mean I'm entitled to have others trust [me]? Yes, people should trust you. You should trust the people around you. You are entitled to trust merely by existing. This is not a bad thing! But the article is about the nature of politics in Canada; the protests themselves are actually off–topic. What do you think about the central thesis of the article, that any dissent in a party, protest, or other political movement is now treated as a scandal to be avoided by enforced conformity within the group?
  - Daishiman 5y ago
    > Yes, people should trust you. You should trust the people around you. You are entitled to trust merely by existing. This is not a bad thing! I have seen so many doctored PCR tests and so many antivaxxers lying about their vaccination status that I see no basis to do that on this particular topic.
- aogaili 5y ago
  "the most childish cause for a protest ever." People losing their jobs, mental health issues on the rise, children not socializing, polarization and division, divergence from other core issues such as the housing crisis, loss of freedom and rights are not childish issues. There are long-term consequences when government locks down an entire country. Also, I don't understand the long-term strategy here? if 90% of the people are vaccinated and lockdowns are still used widely, then is this the norm now? Are we going to lock down every winter? Besides, I've lived in Canada for 20 years, every winter season the healthcare system is stretched, if you have flu and want a paper from the doctor to show to your employer you'll need to wait for 5+ hours at your nearest public clinic. Because the healthcare system is free cumbersome many abuse it.
- refurb 5y ago
  So you’re saying that if you don’t see a point to a protest then it’s not valid?
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0xy 5y ago
If it was outsiders causing trouble, it certainly wouldn't be the first time. Progressives have staged false flag campaigns concerning racism before, as recently as November. Democratic political operatives dressed up as Charlottesville tiki torch racists and then used connections to try to pin it on the opposition, until they were caught. [1] [1] https://theintercept.com/2021/11/03/lincoln-project-charlottesville-glenn-youngkin/ https://theintercept.com/2021/11/03/lincoln-project-charlott...
- Daishiman 5y ago
  The article states that it was a failed stunt. On the contrary, the flags in these protests don't seem like much of a stunt at all, considering that far-right associations to anti-vax movements is a well-known.
  - yetanotherath 5y ago
    - Daishiman 5y ago
      > No. It’s a bs talking point the media gleefully pushed to divide the issue into camps and further stoke tensions in the populace. Don’t fall for it. The only way you can think that is if you yourself live in the bubble of American media where far-right sources have continuously injected skepticism in a way that's unparalleled in any other developed country. In most of the rest of the world this skepticism isn't shared. At this point the only holdouts are skeptics, who've been wooed by the far-right's ideas of seeding doubt even when there isn't any. A minority of left-wing extremists with various crazy ideas are also vaccine skeptics, but the horseshoe theory of political crazy seems to hold up here.
SyzygistSix 5y ago
I find it interesting that right wing people found this movement as fertile ground to try to co-opt rather than something like a peace march or a civil rights protest. Or solidarity with the nurses and working class medical staff on the front lines of the pandemic, who probably don't look very kindly at the truckers' attempt to make this an issue about working class people rather than petty selfishness and partisanship.

Daishiman 5y ago

s1artibartfast 5y ago
I think it is fine to disagree with the cause, but the insight was about rhetorical techniques in public thought and their prevalence over time. I think the point boils down to that people who disagree with the cause should ridicule the cause, and resist the urge build strawmen. Critiques of AnTifa rioters don't don't generalize to BLM protestors. Critiques of AOC aren't the same as critiques of democrats. Critiques of pedophiles are not critiques of privacy advocates. On some level, people making these generations know them not to be true, but we still repeat them.
db48x 5y ago
> Does that mean I'm entitled to have others trust [me]? Yes, people should trust you. You should trust the people around you. You are entitled to trust merely by existing. This is not a bad thing! But the article is about the nature of politics in Canada; the protests themselves are actually off–topic. What do you think about the central thesis of the article, that any dissent in a party, protest, or other political movement is now treated as a scandal to be avoided by enforced conformity within the group?
- Daishiman 5y ago
  > Yes, people should trust you. You should trust the people around you. You are entitled to trust merely by existing. This is not a bad thing! I have seen so many doctored PCR tests and so many antivaxxers lying about their vaccination status that I see no basis to do that on this particular topic.
aogaili 5y ago
"the most childish cause for a protest ever." People losing their jobs, mental health issues on the rise, children not socializing, polarization and division, divergence from other core issues such as the housing crisis, loss of freedom and rights are not childish issues. There are long-term consequences when government locks down an entire country. Also, I don't understand the long-term strategy here? if 90% of the people are vaccinated and lockdowns are still used widely, then is this the norm now? Are we going to lock down every winter? Besides, I've lived in Canada for 20 years, every winter season the healthcare system is stretched, if you have flu and want a paper from the doctor to show to your employer you'll need to wait for 5+ hours at your nearest public clinic. Because the healthcare system is free cumbersome many abuse it.
refurb 5y ago
So you’re saying that if you don’t see a point to a protest then it’s not valid?
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0xy 5y ago

If it was outsiders causing trouble, it certainly wouldn't be the first time. Progressives have staged false flag campaigns concerning racism before, as recently as November. Democratic political operatives dressed up as Charlottesville tiki torch racists and then used connections to try to pin it on the opposition, until they were caught. [1] [1] https://theintercept.com/2021/11/03/lincoln-project-charlottesville-glenn-youngkin/ https://theintercept.com/2021/11/03/lincoln-project-charlott...

Daishiman 5y ago
The article states that it was a failed stunt. On the contrary, the flags in these protests don't seem like much of a stunt at all, considering that far-right associations to anti-vax movements is a well-known.
- yetanotherath 5y ago
  - Daishiman 5y ago
    > No. It’s a bs talking point the media gleefully pushed to divide the issue into camps and further stoke tensions in the populace. Don’t fall for it. The only way you can think that is if you yourself live in the bubble of American media where far-right sources have continuously injected skepticism in a way that's unparalleled in any other developed country. In most of the rest of the world this skepticism isn't shared. At this point the only holdouts are skeptics, who've been wooed by the far-right's ideas of seeding doubt even when there isn't any. A minority of left-wing extremists with various crazy ideas are also vaccine skeptics, but the horseshoe theory of political crazy seems to hold up here.

SyzygistSix 5y ago

I find it interesting that right wing people found this movement as fertile ground to try to co-opt rather than something like a peace march or a civil rights protest. Or solidarity with the nurses and working class medical staff on the front lines of the pandemic, who probably don't look very kindly at the truckers' attempt to make this an issue about working class people rather than petty selfishness and partisanship.