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They're not equivalent illegalities. Speeding involves a much higher energy state than rolling stop. If there's an accident, very clearly one is much worse.
by cmurf 5y ago
They're not equivalent illegalities. Speeding involves a much higher energy state than rolling stop. If there's an accident, very clearly one is much worse.
- gjsman-1000 5y agoI feel like a Unicorn, but I obey the speed limit as closely as I can. My speedometer says a perfect 60 on the highway in my area, and I am always being passed like crazy. I've never received a speeding ticket. I'm not a "nuisance" for not going faster and breaking the speed limit. Everyone else is the "nuisance" and I vote for stronger enforcement where possible.
- notreallyserio 5y agoOne of the most frustrating things I deal with is people driving too fast on the main street that is (basically) just outside my cul-de-sac. It's a 35 mph limit but people drive 40-45. That makes it harder to see them coming, making the road less safe. Too many people seem to believe that the only thing that matters is the road in front of them, they don't consider the side roads at all. The city is talking about narrowing the lanes on the main street to reduce speed and add bike lanes, and it can't happen soon enough.
- asdff 5y agoAlso your chance of surviving an impact at like 50mph is next to zero as a pedestrian. You have a higher chance surviving an impact at 35mph even though its still pretty small.
- fallingknife 5y agoThe traffic engineering standard for the properly set speed limit to minimize collisions is the speed of the 85th percentile car on the road. https://www.lincoln.ne.gov/files/sharedassets/public/ltu/transportation/traffic-engineering/regulatory-speed-limits.pdf https://www.lincoln.ne.gov/files/sharedassets/public/ltu/tra... So if you are being passed like crazy and going the speed limit, the speed limit is set incorrectly, and you are, in fact, the nuisance.
- gjsman-1000 5y agoIt's not just the highway, I am frequently passed on roads of all kinds for following the speed limit and going no faster. They are absolutely, for breaking the law, the nuisance in these situations. The number of people breaking the law does not change what the law is or, even necessarily, what the law should be.
- Sargos 5y agoPeople generally drive the safe speed for the road they are travelling on. The fact that you're being passed (probably on the right a lot of the times) means you are driving slower than traffic and are actually a danger to other drivers. You might think you are being morally high and mighty but you are actually putting innocent lives in danger. Please have some introspection here.
- gjsman-1000 5y agoSo I am the dangerous one for not engaging in dangerous activity. Gotcha.
- HWR_14 5y agoYou are the dangerous one for not engaging in an illegal but safer activity. It kinda assumes you're right if you call it a dangerous activity.
- Filligree 5y agoThe illegal activity is in fact illegal. Nothing more should need to be said.
- fallingknife 5y agoIf you are an authoritarian, yes.
- 5y ago
- mmanfrin 5y agoGoing noticeably slower than the speed of traffic is dangerous and more of a nuisance than people going 5-10 mph over.
- sgc 5y agoMost accidents happen at intersections, and you don't know how fast the other car is going. I would consider rolling stop far more "dangerous" in that regard. If I were programming it and laws were not a concern, I would probably look at speed limits on both streets and disallow on higher speed intersections, or those with obstructed vision (data allowing of course).
- bryanlarsen 5y agoThat's exactly what Tesla did -- rolling stops were only performed if both streets were 30mph limits or less.
- HWR_14 5y agoThat's exactly what Tesla did -- said to themselves "the law is not a concern" (to quote GP)
- asdff 5y agoThis makes the big assumption that the other driver is playing by the rules and respecting the speed limit and also not going to ignore the stop sign (which I see happen more and more lately in socal).
- hamburglar 5y agoThere’s nothing magical about a full and complete stop. The reason we do it is to force humans to slow down and give themselves some objective standard for how much time they need to evaluate the conditions of the intersection. And the reason rolling stops are so common is that in many situations, it’s very obvious that the full stop is an unnecessary bit of ceremony. I don’t think it’s at all unreasonable to say that a competent self driving car should be equally capable of making the necessary safety decisions whether it’s paused for a full stop or not. Given the premise that we are approving computers to make high frequency decisions about multi-ton hunks of metal driving around on our streets, there is simply no way in my mind that the difference between a full stop and a rolling stop for them is actually a safety issue.
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- alexfringes 5y agoPresumably the cars driving on the intersecting lane of travel could very well be in the aforementioned higher energy state when an accident during a rolling stop occurs.
- selectodude 5y agoA rolling stop has a far higher likelihood of hitting a pedestrian than speeding on the freeway.
- fabianhjr 5y agoIf someone rolls a stop in a non-4-way stop and there was a car approaching at 55mph at the same time from a transversal road then a close to 55mph t-bone crash is prone to happen. (And the vehicle involved might be a truck with a heavy load vs a tesla rolling a stop)