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> MariaDB, Fast Growing, Popular Open Source Database Software Company No matter how I turn and adjust the parameters, MariaDB seems to be the least popular of
by capableweb 5y ago
> MariaDB, Fast Growing, Popular Open Source Database Software Company
No matter how I turn and adjust the parameters, MariaDB seems to be the least popular of the big databases on the market today (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=MariaDB,mysql,PostgreSQL,mongodb,SQL%20Server https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=...) and looking long-term (2004-preset), it seems like it's popularity is going down, not up (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=MariaDB https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=MariaDB).
I wonder what metrics they are looking at to figure out that it's "Fast Growing", under "Viral adoption" and "A leading relational database brand"? Probably they have some insight that I don't, or this is just a press release filled with the usual marketing lies.
- yrgulation 5y agoI am an almost daily user of mariadb. However, when i google anything mariadb query wise i instead type mysql. As the two dialects are nearly identical but there is more documentation available for the mysql search keyword on google.
- tomxor 5y agoSame here. Only time I search for mariadb is when it's mariadb specific configuration.
- johncena33 5y agoYou should use bing or duckduckgo. I've been hearing lately on HN that they are many orders better than Google.
- bool3max 5y agoI have found the opposite to be the case.
- grepfru_it 5y agodefinitely not duckduckgo. bing has been on par, with technical searches but lacking otherwise
- tomxor 5y agoKeep in mind this is changing over time. Search engines do not stand still, I keep bouncing between Google and DDG, the former has been steadily decreasing in quality and the later increasing to the point that I now use DDG first. I'm not necessarily saying your opinion at this moment in time will change, only that you should re-evaluate it occasionally.
- Tijdreiziger 5y agoWhy not DDG? I switched from Google to DDG a few years ago, and have been satisfactorily using it since.
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- stjohnswarts 5y agoMany orders? Come on. I have had better results on one or the other and flip between them but not “orders of magnitude” different.
- contravariant 5y agoAt searching? I can't comment on bing but duckduckgo is different, not necessarily better. In fact for vague matches and context sensitive terms it's quite a bit worse than google.
- pradn 5y agoThere's an interesting push-and-pull here. Keep the existing dialect to make it easy to switch, or add differentiating features that may introduce dialect incompatibility. An issue as old as time for SQL DBs.
- adventured 5y ago> Probably they have some insight that I don't, or this is just a press release filled with the usual marketing lies. Definitely typical marketing lies. They're IPO'ing precisely because it's a very good time to get out. There's no more upside left in MariaDB as a database/brand/business and the stock market is still high.
- eatonphil 5y agoIt was my impression that many distros alias mariadb as mysql because it's the capital-f Free version so when you install the default distro mysql you are actually installing mariadb. Edit: in fact I think that if you search "default" on this page these are all the distros that do this. https://mariadb.com/kb/en/distributions-which-include-mariadb/ https://mariadb.com/kb/en/distributions-which-include-mariad...
- mdasen 5y agoI think this was more common years ago. MySQL and MariaDB have diverged more in the years since which means that people want to know which they're installing. For example, RedHat Enterprise Linux used MariaDB as the default in RHEL 7, but RHEL8 splits them back out. https://mariadb.com/kb/en/incompatibilities-and-feature-differences-between-mariadb-107-and-mysql-80/ https://mariadb.com/kb/en/incompatibilities-and-feature-diff... While they're still quite similar and many of the differences might not be something that you hit, there are enough differences that it should be explicit.
- awill 5y agoThis was really surprising. Back when RHEL 7 launched, it really looked like MariaDB was going to take over from MySQL. It doesn't look that way anymore. I suspect the reason is that Maria diverged too much, and people didn't want the risk of using something that they couldn't migrate away from. Regardless, where possible, I use non-relational. When relational is required, I use Postgres.
- Kinrany 5y agoCan you link any good arguments for defaulting to non-relational?
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- lbhdc 5y agoI am surprised how low postgres ranks in those trends. I guess I have been in an echo chamber for too long, because my perception was that it was much more pervasive.
- vidar 5y agoWordpress and PHP in general are very MySQL heavy I think. That is a lot of volume.
- b112 5y agoYet mariadb is what is installed most often for mysql usage requirements.
- evanelias 5y agoThese days, most smaller users go with a managed DBaaS such as AWS RDS, and on RDS MySQL gets massively more usage than MariaDB. I build schema management software for MySQL and MariaDB, https://www.skeema.io https://www.skeema.io, used by several hundred companies. Among my userbase, MariaDB is a tiny minority, to such an extent that I wonder if it's worthwhile to continue keeping up with their new quarterly release schedule.
- eatonphil 5y agoIs it possible MariaDB registers itself as MySQL? No clue how your system works or how you figure out which DB it is.
- evanelias 5y agoTo clarify, my comment was based on anecdotal discussions and interactions with users, issue reports, feature requests, user enthusiasm for new MySQL support/functionality vs relative lack of enthusiasm for new MariaDB support/functionality, etc. The Skeema CLI is able to accurately identify your database version and flavor (which is necessary for its functionality), there is no notion of MariaDB registering itself as MySQL. But the CLI does not contain telemetry, so I don't have hard stats on MySQL vs MariaDB usage.
- b112 5y agomariadb is the default on every Linux distro, except for Oracle's clone of redhat. MySQL, for example, isn't in debian any more. And hasn't been for years. All thanks to oracle, of course. As well, most people search for mysql, when looking for mariadb issues. Mariadb is far, far more popular than mysql these days.
- evanelias 5y ago> Mariadb is far, far more popular than mysql these days. It depends greatly on what metric you're using. If you look at the huge list of large, well-known tech companies using MySQL, nearly all of them are literally using MySQL (or a derivative like Percona Server), not MariaDB. In combination these companies employ several hundred thousand engineers, building products on top of MySQL, not MariaDB.
- rlpb 5y agoIn Ubuntu, both MySQL and MariaDB are available. MySQL is in the main component, unlike MariaDB which is in universe. Reverse dependencies in the Ubuntu archive are built against MySQL, not MariaDB.
- ksec 5y agoMost are either sticking with MySQL ( which is still working fine ) or moved to PostgreSQL. MariaDB is sort of in a very odd position. Had Oracle completely abandoned MySQL like they did with Solaris it would have been an easier choice to move to Maria. Instead they nurture it like they did with Java. Although I am wondering if they will ever release 9.0.
- holoduke 5y agoWe are running mariadb for many years on a 50k request per second app. Works pretty fine. Why should we migrate to postgress? I know many mid sized projects relying on MariaDb. It's a stable database proven in many different scenarios.
- ksec 5y agoNot suggesting everyone should move to Postgres, it was just a general observation from online and offline discussions. I know MariaDB works fine if not great. It is just comparatively speaking not getting much market shares.
- pjmlp 5y agoSolaris might not get Linux level updates, but cool stuff like hardware memory tagging by default on SPARC has been done during Oracle ownership. Most mainstream OSes are yet to catch up to Solaris SPARC on this regard.
- renewiltord 5y agoBloody hell. MySQL is the juggernaut of DBs. I guess I lived in an echo chamber with my huge Postgres love. But I echo the other comments in that I search for MySQL even if I’m using MariaDB.
- bduerst 5y agoMySQL is typically the "M" in LAMP stacks, which was a large portion of the web 2.0 CMS takeover (long, long ago it feels like). I think SQLite came close to challenging it in the early 2010s with it's mobile app adoption.
- achillean 5y agoIt does look like it's growing but not at a crazy rate while MySQL has been declining: https://imgur.com/gallery/XJ3mDzz https://imgur.com/gallery/XJ3mDzz
- capableweb 5y agoCool! Shodan is a very useful tool, too bad it's not worth paying for it for me. As someone who is not a user, would you mind posting the graphs for the rest of the software I put into Google Trends? The full list would be MariaDB, mysql, PostgreSQL, mongodb and SQL Server
- achillean 5y agoSure, here you go: https://imgur.com/a/iTuuc94 https://imgur.com/a/iTuuc94 Btw Shodan Trends (https://trends.shodan.io https://trends.shodan.io) is available to members as well. Membership costs a one-time payment of $49 for a lifetime account upgrade (https://account.shodan.io/billing/member https://account.shodan.io/billing/member). You can only do 100 Trend queries per month (if it's not yet cached) but it doesn't require a subscription.
- pkaye 5y agoIt's the fastest growing database named MariaDB.
- ransom1538 5y agoFunny. A super vocal wrong opinion dominates. Yeah, no. MariaDB is everywhere, mysql is the master of all stored production content, no one uses postgres, and people just query mysql not MariaDB.
- capableweb 5y agoSuper vocal? Wrong? I'm not even making any claims, I'm just pointing to data I have available to me, and question their statements with the caveat that probably they have different data available than me.
- The_rationalist 5y agoHuman resources. Mariadb commit and changes activity is significantly higher than postgres
- pengaru 5y agoMariaDB the company has also made acquisitions in the space, Clustrix for example.
- ahoka 5y agoI assume it's in the market where people actually pay for a database and make choice of software other than "what's in Debian".
- stjohnswarts 5y agoI don't know why anyone would use it outside of the need for some legacy mysql stuff or something. For me it is always postgresql or sqlite (I have never had to work with a nosql solution) depending on the situation.
- stjohnswarts 5y agoI don't know why anyone would use it outside the need for some legacy MySQL stuff or something. For me, it is always PostgreSQL or SQLite (I have never had to work with a NoSQL solution) depending on the situation.
- gk1 5y ago"Leading" is a meaningless marketing term you use when you can't say "#1". And I say that as a marketer.
- jakear 5y agoHN-specific Trends of DB comments and stories echo your view (in a chamber-like fashion…): MySql popular since early days, Postgres recently growing to overcome it, Maria nowhere to be seen https://jacksonkearl.github.io/HackerTrends/?query=%22mariadb%22%2C%22postgres%22%2C%22mysql%22&from=2006&to=now&bucket=90&scope=comments https://jacksonkearl.github.io/HackerTrends/?query=%22mariad...
- PeterCorless 5y agoA more accurate chart may be at DB-engines.com: https://db-engines.com/en/ranking_trend/relational+dbms https://db-engines.com/en/ranking_trend/relational+dbms MariaDB is the 8th most popular SQL RDBMS. MySQL is definitely far more popular, as is PostgreSQL, but MariaDB still continues to rise in popularity (107.11 now, up +13.22 in the past year), though its relative ranking remains at #12 on the overall list: https://db-engines.com/en/ranking https://db-engines.com/en/ranking [EDIT: MySQL fell -28.69 to 1214.68 in the past year. PostgreSQL rose +58.42 to 609.38 in the past year.]
- PeterCorless 5y agoAlso, in case anyone was interested, on DB-engines.com, the real ground giving way is for Microsoft SQL Server. While it is still at the #3 spot on the list, its absolute score dropped -73.88 to 949.05 — a year-over-year drop of -7.2% of total. • MySQL's drop in the index was only 4.5% • PostgreSQL's rise was 9.5% • MariaDB's rise was 12.3%
- denton-scratch 5y ago> MariaDB seems to be the least popular of the big databases You linked to a page that charts the relative prevalence of product-names in Google searches. That's not popularity; that's just googlers choosing the search term they think is most likely to find them the result they want.
- chillfox 5y agoComparing MariaDB and MySQL on Google trends is not very meaningful. There are so many people who search for MySQL docs/tutorials when they are actually running MariaDB. Lots of PHP/WordPress developers thinking they are working with MySQL and the sysadmin has really given them MariaDB.
- ravenstine 5y agoI like that MariaDB exists, but is there anything it does that either PostgresQL or SQLite don't do or do better?