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Please read about the Cultural Revolution. To call this “equivalent “ is laughable.
by biohax2015 5y ago
Please read about the Cultural Revolution. To call this “equivalent “ is laughable.
- commandlinefan 5y ago> To call this “equivalent “ yet.
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- tharne 5y ago
- Cycl0ps 5y agoNo, we save that for the Hispanics.
- mistrial9 5y agoirrational provocation, please refrain
- daniel-cussen 5y agoNo we don't. Your claim is racism masquerading as racism.
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- RansomStark 5y agoYou're right, China was, not sure if you could claim it still is, suffering from an Islamic insurgency that was trying to form an Islamic caliphate. The Chinese government imprisoned 1M people in an attempt to prevent the success of that insurgency. They clearly went too far. Around the same time the Chinese government started imprisoning Muslims, the US government started killing or was at the very least was a direct cause in the death of 1M muslims, not to stop violence but for revenge. Oh and as far as concentration camps are concerned, there's a bunch of brown skinned kids in cages that would like a word
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- DiogenesKynikos 5y agoThere are two aspects to this: 1. There is a massive amount of propaganda around the situation in Xinjiang. While the Chinese government is extremely harsh in going after separatism and what it views as religious extremism, there is also a huge amount of lying, exaggeration and misrepresentation from Western governments and media on the issue. The Trump administration tried to spin Xinjiang as some sort of modern-day Holocaust, and as often happens when it comes to demonizing official enemies of the US, much of the media has gone along. 2. The US has waged war after war in the Middle East. The US' unprovoked (and illegal) invasion of Iraq caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. In terms of sheer damage done and suffering caused, there's no comparison between the US' wars and China's actions in Xinjiang.
- bigcat123 5y agoThanks for the information. It's rare to see balanced comparison of CCP s harsh behaviors and relatively obvious biased reporting. A very valuable perspective. I am often amused that many people who doesn't hesitate to call main stream media unreliable in most affairs, suddenly trust them with strong passion when they are starting to be much more biased towards China and Chinese people. Hopefully this situation can be changed eventually. Earth is not large enough for blind hate. We have to learn live with each other. Or move into Space.
- aj7 5y agoWarning: Uyghurs are not Islamic fundamentalists or religious extremists. It’s hard to imagine a more liberal interpretation of Islam as practiced by Uyghurs; they have their own vodka, which is delicious. The CCP, since 9/11, has seized on U.S. Islamic hysteria as a convenient excuse, and cover, to crack down on Uyghur nationalism.
- DiogenesKynikos 5y agoYes, traditional Uyghur Islamic practices are relatively liberal, as I understand it. What the Chinese government fears is the recent spread of extremist religious beliefs (e.g., Salafism) in Xinjiang. The Chinese government is of course also worried about Uyghur separatism. However, I don't think these are entirely separate phenomena.
- pphysch 5y ago
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- pphysch 5y agoI think it is a reasonable thing to not leave misinformation unchallenged, especially when that misinformation is correlated with a rise in (lethal) hate crimes against Asian Americans.
- dang 5y agoIt's reasonable when you do it in a thoughtful, substantive way that leaves a lot of room for other side. It's not reasonable when you do it with snarky flamebait, or with low-information/high-indignation swipes. In other words, the issue isn't the content of your views, but the quality of your posts. We're trying to avoid internet default here, if possible. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=stave%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- kixiQu 5y agoI mean, I think we have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time in terms of "multiple things/actors can be bad", but https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/reproductive-abuse-is-rampant-in-the-immigration-detention-system/ https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/reproductive-abu...
- tehjoker 5y ago
- rkk3 5y agoor the 2.3 Million people in the US prison system
- FpUser 5y agoThey're happily killing people or sponsor killings in the rest of the world. There are countries that can attest to that.
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- FpUser 5y agoMay be it is just me but it feels like posts that present the US in less than favorite light are getting special attention from moderators. I do not see nearly the attention to the posts of the opposite nature.
- dang 5y agoFrom my perspective, having received a great many of these perceptions across the entire spectrum of HN users, I can tell you pretty confidently that the dominant variable here is your own feelings on the topic. That's not a criticism! It seems that all of our minds work this way. I just mean that, when one's passions are engaged on a topic, there's a tendency to see the moderators as lined up against one's view. Meanwhile, people with the opposite view see the mods as lined up against them. It's the same mods in both cases; the variable with predictive power here is the passions of the perceiver. That is, if you tell me that someone's unhappy with the mods and you tell me what that person is passionate about, I can tell you what they think the mods' bias is. I believe that the explanation for this is that we're all much more likely to notice the datapoints we most dislike or disagree with, and to weight them more heavily. If you had opposite priors (that is, if you disliked and disagreed with the opposite sort of story), then you'd be noticing and/or weighting more heavily the datapoints with opposite valence, and you'd feel like the moderators were favoring those instead. Indeed, people with the opposing view to yours do feel exactly that about the mods—just as the hypothesis would predict Past explanations here: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20dislike%20notice&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22false%20feelings%20of%20generality%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22always%20feels%22%20mods%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... p.s. From my perspective also, we're definitely not consulting the direction of someone's views about the U.S., or any other country, when evaluating whether their comment is breaking the HN guidelines. I realize that's not necessarily easy to believe, and of course unconscious bias is still a thing even when one is consciously trying to be even-handed. All I can tell you is that we're consciously trying very hard at that, and we at least have many years of practice at it.
- kevin_thibedeau 5y agoIt's more expedient to bomb them where the cameras aren't looking.
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- eecc 5y agoPretty much a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
- kelnos 5y agoDon't forget that we put Japanese people (including US citizens with Japanese ancestry) in concentration camps during WWII. "Internment camps", we called them... what a euphemism. And unfortunately our record isn't great on forced sterilization either: https://ihpi.umich.edu/news/forced-sterilization-policies-us-targeted-minorities-and-those-disabilities-and-lasted-21st https://ihpi.umich.edu/news/forced-sterilization-policies-us... https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/ https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilizat... https://bpr.berkeley.edu/2020/11/04/americas-forgotten-history-of-forced-sterilization/ https://bpr.berkeley.edu/2020/11/04/americas-forgotten-histo...
- eru 5y ago'Concentration camp' started as a euphemism too. The Nazis actually borrowed the originally English term.
- kelnos 5y agoYeah, I never understood how "concentration" fit in that usage. Wikipedia says > The term concentration camp originates from the Spanish–Cuban Ten Years' War when Spanish forces detained Cuban civilians in camps in order to more easily combat guerrilla forces. Over the following decades the British during the Second Boer War and the Americans during the Philippine–American War also used concentration camps. So this goes back to the mid 1800s, not just from WWII. But I guess the Nazis didn't want to correctly label them "extermination camps", big surprise there. Then there's: > The American Heritage Dictionary defines the term concentration camp as: "A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group which the government has identified as dangerous or undesirable." So I guess the "concentration" bit is because they are taking people of a certain group and "concentrating" them physically in one location. So... okay... but still a really weird term to me.
- seanmcdirmid 5y agoWe did something similar to native Americans in the 19th century, and were still using boarding schools for this purpose into the mid 20th century. China’s playbook in forced assimilation probably comes with some experience from the USA.
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- lulantivaxxers 5y agoCall me when scholars are being massacred in the streets... Get a grip.
- notRacistSir 5y ago
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- nonethewiser 5y agoProtecting intellectual property is about as far away from the Cultural Revolution as you can get.
- Bukhmanizer 5y agoI don’t think they were saying that this is equivalent to the Cultural Revolution as a whole, just the “bad classification” part of the paragraph.
- eecc 5y agoPlease improve your reading skills.
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