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> If your Grandpa chose to not get vaccinated and gets COVID, thats his problem. Sure thing. Can we get the Grandpa's to sign documents saying they're going un

by gkbrk 5y ago

> If your Grandpa chose to not get vaccinated and gets COVID, thats his problem. Sure thing. Can we get the Grandpa's to sign documents saying they're going unvaccinated by choice and would like to opt-out from any hospital care related to COVID if their resources are needed for any other patient?

emteycz 5y ago
Why? We're on a free market. Surely they could simply add a big surcharge. I'd expect their insurance to go way up too.
- skulk 5y ago
  Medical services do not have price-elastic demand just because they are offered in a free market. It's the other way actually; I'd imagine medical services are some of the most price-inelastic things you can buy.
- nradov 5y ago
  There is no free market. Due to the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), medical insurers aren't legally allowed to set premiums based on vaccination status. https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/ https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/
  - DangitBobby 5y ago
    Let's not pretend that insurance based payment even remotely resembled a free market before.
mbeattie 5y ago
Sure and while we’re at it, let’s not treat aids patients because they engaged in high risk activity and not treat heart attacks of the overweight either.
- lovich 5y ago
  Are the hospitals collapsing because of aids patients or so many people getting heart attacks? If so then maybe we should start using carrots/sticks to limit peoples risky behavior or make them absorb more of the cost. If they’re not collapsing the hospitals then why bring them up?
  - nostrebored 5y ago
    I mean… yes, they are. Hospitals have frequently been at capacity before covid, often from the number one killer, heart disease
  - JPKab 5y ago
    The US medical system is financially untenable due to the massive percentage of adults drinking sugary sodas with every meal, getting fat, and developing Type II diabetes. Guess we should let them die too, right? You are making an argument with no limiting principle, because it's poorly thought out and shallow, and it shows.
    - lovich 5y ago
      Was it untenable before covid? There were twos of needing more nurses before every boomer was in a nursing home, but I don’t remember reading reports of elective surgeries being cancelled or hospitals going to extremely understaffed. > You are making an argument with no limiting principle, because it's poorly thought out and shallow, and it shows. It wasn’t poorly thought out. Our system sucked but was sustainable before the unvaxxed group decided to eschew medical prevention for this disease. Now it sucks _and_ is unsustainable. Any argument you bring out that doesn’t recognize that the situation has changed due to covid, that also points out other health problems as a reason to not react to the change caused by covid, is poorly thought out. If any self inflicted problem causes our healthcare system to tip over we should react to it. People refusing the covid vaccination have tipped over the system. People getting type II diabetes have not
      - JPKab 5y ago

by gkbrk 5y ago

emteycz 5y ago

Why? We're on a free market. Surely they could simply add a big surcharge. I'd expect their insurance to go way up too.

skulk 5y ago
Medical services do not have price-elastic demand just because they are offered in a free market. It's the other way actually; I'd imagine medical services are some of the most price-inelastic things you can buy.
nradov 5y ago
There is no free market. Due to the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), medical insurers aren't legally allowed to set premiums based on vaccination status. https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/ https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/
- DangitBobby 5y ago
  Let's not pretend that insurance based payment even remotely resembled a free market before.

mbeattie 5y ago

Sure and while we’re at it, let’s not treat aids patients because they engaged in high risk activity and not treat heart attacks of the overweight either.

lovich 5y ago
Are the hospitals collapsing because of aids patients or so many people getting heart attacks? If so then maybe we should start using carrots/sticks to limit peoples risky behavior or make them absorb more of the cost. If they’re not collapsing the hospitals then why bring them up?
- nostrebored 5y ago
  I mean… yes, they are. Hospitals have frequently been at capacity before covid, often from the number one killer, heart disease
- JPKab 5y ago
  The US medical system is financially untenable due to the massive percentage of adults drinking sugary sodas with every meal, getting fat, and developing Type II diabetes. Guess we should let them die too, right? You are making an argument with no limiting principle, because it's poorly thought out and shallow, and it shows.
  - lovich 5y ago
    Was it untenable before covid? There were twos of needing more nurses before every boomer was in a nursing home, but I don’t remember reading reports of elective surgeries being cancelled or hospitals going to extremely understaffed. > You are making an argument with no limiting principle, because it's poorly thought out and shallow, and it shows. It wasn’t poorly thought out. Our system sucked but was sustainable before the unvaxxed group decided to eschew medical prevention for this disease. Now it sucks _and_ is unsustainable. Any argument you bring out that doesn’t recognize that the situation has changed due to covid, that also points out other health problems as a reason to not react to the change caused by covid, is poorly thought out. If any self inflicted problem causes our healthcare system to tip over we should react to it. People refusing the covid vaccination have tipped over the system. People getting type II diabetes have not
    - JPKab 5y ago