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1. If your Grandpa chose to not get vaccinated and gets COVID, thats his problem. 2. The idea that anyone who wants in person learning is a "screaming Karen" i

by tqi 5y ago

1. If your Grandpa chose to not get vaccinated and gets COVID, thats his problem. 2. The idea that anyone who wants in person learning is a "screaming Karen" is fucking stupid. There is lots of evidence that remote learning has all kinds of negative outcomes for kids, and your (frankly sexist) dismissiveness is the reason this conversation never goes anywhere.

aqme28 5y ago
> If your Grandpa chose to not get vaccinated and gets COVID, thats his problem. Unfortunately though that's not true. It's putting a huge burden on hospitals that affects us all.
- tqi 5y ago
  True, but thats a % of a % of a % (ie Masks could prevent some % of COVID transmission at school, of some % of which would have be transmitted to other individuals in the home, of which some % of which would have required hospitalization), which makes it seem likely to be a high cost for not much reward.
  - mlac 5y ago
    Which at scale is still a significant number of hospital beds, and queues grow exponentially when a system reaches capacity.
- beiller 5y ago
  Isn't the point way up that nurses are quitting. This creates a burden at the hospital. Why are they quitting? Because they are treated like cattle instead of employed human beings. See the court case on the hospital suing the nurses in an at will employment state for quitting and going to another hospital for higher pay. There are even some who are fired for not getting a vaccine regardless of any special circumstance the individual may have.
  - lhorie 5y ago
- eddieplan9 5y ago
  Maybe insurance companies should drop them (or raise their premium, just like what they do with smokers).
  - rhexs 5y ago
    Should insurance companies also drop low income Americans with diets that trivially lead to heart disease? Shouldn't we, as a society, take care of those who don't know better?
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    - genewitch 5y ago
      Just record license plates at all fast food restaurants, probably most restaurants, really, average meal runs over 3/4ths of what an average adult male needs to maintain weight. Liquor stores and bars, too. Ethanol is at least as bad for your body as straight sucrose/fructose. Log time spent on Facebook, steam, Reddit, etc. Statistically inactivities. Hell, we could probably reject 75% of Americans in the first three months without any sort of death panels being necessary, just let Google, Target, and walmart machine learn AI the rejection criteria and alert the insurers.
  - nradov 5y ago
    Due to the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), medical insurers aren't legally allowed to set premiums based on vaccination status. https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/ https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/
- mikem170 5y ago
  But the studies in the article, from multiple places, say that masking children didn't make a difference in local covid rates.
gkbrk 5y ago
> If your Grandpa chose to not get vaccinated and gets COVID, thats his problem. Sure thing. Can we get the Grandpa's to sign documents saying they're going unvaccinated by choice and would like to opt-out from any hospital care related to COVID if their resources are needed for any other patient?
- emteycz 5y ago
  Why? We're on a free market. Surely they could simply add a big surcharge. I'd expect their insurance to go way up too.
  - skulk 5y ago
    Medical services do not have price-elastic demand just because they are offered in a free market. It's the other way actually; I'd imagine medical services are some of the most price-inelastic things you can buy.
  - nradov 5y ago
    There is no free market. Due to the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), medical insurers aren't legally allowed to set premiums based on vaccination status. https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/ https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/
    - DangitBobby 5y ago
      Let's not pretend that insurance based payment even remotely resembled a free market before.
- mbeattie 5y ago
  Sure and while we’re at it, let’s not treat aids patients because they engaged in high risk activity and not treat heart attacks of the overweight either.
  - lovich 5y ago
pseudosavant 5y ago
This has gone on long enough that I’m putting off multiple surgeries. Thankfully not life threatening. Just significant quality of life ruining. The unvaccinated are harming and killing a lot of people. It isn't just grandpa's problem.

by tqi 5y ago

aqme28 5y ago

> If your Grandpa chose to not get vaccinated and gets COVID, thats his problem. Unfortunately though that's not true. It's putting a huge burden on hospitals that affects us all.

tqi 5y ago
True, but thats a % of a % of a % (ie Masks could prevent some % of COVID transmission at school, of some % of which would have be transmitted to other individuals in the home, of which some % of which would have required hospitalization), which makes it seem likely to be a high cost for not much reward.
- mlac 5y ago
  Which at scale is still a significant number of hospital beds, and queues grow exponentially when a system reaches capacity.
beiller 5y ago
Isn't the point way up that nurses are quitting. This creates a burden at the hospital. Why are they quitting? Because they are treated like cattle instead of employed human beings. See the court case on the hospital suing the nurses in an at will employment state for quitting and going to another hospital for higher pay. There are even some who are fired for not getting a vaccine regardless of any special circumstance the individual may have.
- lhorie 5y ago
eddieplan9 5y ago
Maybe insurance companies should drop them (or raise their premium, just like what they do with smokers).
- rhexs 5y ago
  Should insurance companies also drop low income Americans with diets that trivially lead to heart disease? Shouldn't we, as a society, take care of those who don't know better?
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - genewitch 5y ago
    Just record license plates at all fast food restaurants, probably most restaurants, really, average meal runs over 3/4ths of what an average adult male needs to maintain weight. Liquor stores and bars, too. Ethanol is at least as bad for your body as straight sucrose/fructose. Log time spent on Facebook, steam, Reddit, etc. Statistically inactivities. Hell, we could probably reject 75% of Americans in the first three months without any sort of death panels being necessary, just let Google, Target, and walmart machine learn AI the rejection criteria and alert the insurers.
- nradov 5y ago
  Due to the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), medical insurers aren't legally allowed to set premiums based on vaccination status. https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/ https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/
mikem170 5y ago
But the studies in the article, from multiple places, say that masking children didn't make a difference in local covid rates.

gkbrk 5y ago

> If your Grandpa chose to not get vaccinated and gets COVID, thats his problem. Sure thing. Can we get the Grandpa's to sign documents saying they're going unvaccinated by choice and would like to opt-out from any hospital care related to COVID if their resources are needed for any other patient?

emteycz 5y ago
Why? We're on a free market. Surely they could simply add a big surcharge. I'd expect their insurance to go way up too.
- skulk 5y ago
  Medical services do not have price-elastic demand just because they are offered in a free market. It's the other way actually; I'd imagine medical services are some of the most price-inelastic things you can buy.
- nradov 5y ago
  There is no free market. Due to the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), medical insurers aren't legally allowed to set premiums based on vaccination status. https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/ https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/
  - DangitBobby 5y ago
    Let's not pretend that insurance based payment even remotely resembled a free market before.
mbeattie 5y ago
Sure and while we’re at it, let’s not treat aids patients because they engaged in high risk activity and not treat heart attacks of the overweight either.
- lovich 5y ago

pseudosavant 5y ago

This has gone on long enough that I’m putting off multiple surgeries. Thankfully not life threatening. Just significant quality of life ruining. The unvaccinated are harming and killing a lot of people. It isn't just grandpa's problem.