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I don't really support to ban anything that could be seen as sexual, but if you put it out, some people will always judge you on that merit. It will also net yo

I don't really support to ban anything that could be seen as sexual, but if you put it out, some people will always judge you on that merit. It will also net you attention and can overshadow your other feats. Should she be condemned for that? I don't think so. But the engineering feats alone will never be the focus as a consequence.

badRNG 5y ago
>but if you put it out, some people will always judge you on that merit. It will also net you attention and can overshadow your other feats. This is actually a common apologetic in defense of Burqas and similar objects of "modesty" for women.
- rob74 5y ago
  Of course, once you are at the stage of Burqas, any feats that women may achieve will be strictly limited to their household...
alfiedotwtf 5y ago
> some people will always judge you on that Guess what - some people will judge, or even attack, just because she was a woman. Another example is Australia's political climate the past two days. Naomi is a cool person, and she should be celebrated for doing cool things regardless of how she looks.
SexyCyborg 5y ago
>But the engineering feats alone will never be the focus as a consequence. There's a line between "never be the focus" and "we will erase you". This sort of thing is constant- but I'll give you a recent example- NPR recently ran this story: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/25/1047691984/decades-after-polio-martha-is-among-the-last-to-still-rely-on-an-iron-lung-to-br https://www.npr.org/2021/10/25/1047691984/decades-after-poli... About an American lady who needed some parts for her iron lung and how no one would help her. Only the thing is, they knew I already had: https://youtu.be/4VKZTmTP7oY https://youtu.be/4VKZTmTP7oY I'd fabricated the collars in Shenzhen, mailed the first batch, revised them and needed someone on the US side to to the final fitting. Martha told them this, a quick search told them this, hundreds of people told them this- did NPR revise the story to correct the omission of "oh by the way this problem we were talking about was solved by this female engineer". No of course not. I mean, it's NPR, you think they are going to get smut on their fingers writing about someone who looks like me? Never going to happen. Then the Razer mask story, I was central to it and some outlets gave me credit: https://www.pcgamer.com/razer-rows-back-after-zephyr-face-mask-safety-rating-confusion/ https://www.pcgamer.com/razer-rows-back-after-zephyr-face-ma... Others like the Verge flatly refused to mention my involvement- even jumping through some pretty crazy hoops to avoid it: https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/10/22876303/razer-zephyr-mask-n95-grade-air-purifier-change-marketing https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/10/22876303/razer-zephyr-mas... Again, hundreds of people called them out. But they did the math and decided that the stigma of mentioning someone who looked like me was worse. That's just the last few months- this has been a constant for years. I fully Open Sourced the best selling 3D printer on the planet, have the first five Open Source Hardware Association certifications granted in China- which people said would never happen, have brought multiple Chinese companies into GPL compliance, I'm the only women to have brought a 3D printer to mass-market- a game changing design for small scale manufacturing- the list is long, but somehow, none of it is "appropriate" to cover- just because of how I look. We're well beyond- "does my appearance detract from my work". Of course it does. We're at "does my appearance justify not just complete erasure of my work but constant attempts to deplatform and defund me" I don't think it does.
- helmholtz 5y ago
  Man, you're sooooo well spoken! I'm loving your responses up and down this thread.
  - SexyCyborg 5y ago
    Thank you! I'm an English major and have worked very hard at it- still love to hear it though!
- Pixelbrick 5y ago
  Well said. Also fair play to you for being prepared to openly identify as who you are, in a part of the world where it's not necessarily as easy to do so as it is for many of us.
- bspammer 5y ago
  I have never heard of you before (which I guess is just more evidence) but the way you make your point is absolutely brilliant. I will definitely be checking out your channel. I hope you don’t get worn down by the bullshit, we need more people like you in the world.
  - SexyCyborg 5y ago
    Thank you!
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  I believe you might not fit into the story they want to paint onto the tech industry in general. You think your successes would have been harder to achieve if you didn't advertise with sex appeal? You don't need to justify yourself for anything but you still sound like you feel the need to do so. I don't even know their exact angle to be honest, they probably don't want to make the impression that sex appeal is a necessity for success in tech. But that is speculation. I understand the want to keep it "clean" but I hope you can appeal the demonetization.
  - 5y ago
meheleventyone 5y ago
We shouldn't accept it though and there is a massive double-standard in the treatment of the merit of women who are also sexy and men who are also sexy. We don’t question the merit of Ronaldo as a footballer because he also uses his body in a sexy way to advertise for example. Another aspect as well is homogenising around the social mores of America by default which particularly in the aspects of sex and sexuality are deeply troubled.
- caskstrength 5y ago
  > We shouldn't accept it though and there is a massive double-standard in the treatment of the merit of women who are also sexy and men who are also sexy. We don’t question the merit of Ronaldo as a footballer because he also uses his body in a sexy way to advertise for example. Of course we do! I'm not into football, but several of my friends who are dislike him explicitly because of this.
  - meheleventyone 5y ago
    Dislike isn't the same thing as questioning his merit as a footballer though. Especially as he is widely heralded as the being one of the best players of all time. I'd also suggest that disliking Ronaldo because he poses in sexy adverts is also pretty closely aligned with the same cultural issues that lead to dismissing women. And whilst I can definitely agree there will be some men who dismiss Ronaldo's merit as a footballer for being too sexy there is a massive difference in degree when compared to the general treatment of women for the same.
    - jacknews 5y ago
      But Ronaldo became famous for his football, not his sexy body. Everyone knows sex sells, but some people (not only men) get upset when they see people promoting themselves with their own sexuality, especially when it's in an unrelated field. I think Naomi is great, but I can see why some people get upset by the way she presents. I wonder how less attractive maker women feel about her, for example?
pm90 5y ago
This seems like a failure of imagination. Or maybe an expectation of seriousness which can only be associated with certain kinds of people who dress and speak a certain way. The reality is that anyone can be really smart and make “serious” contributions and they deserve to be taken seriously regardless of how they choose to dress or present themselves. We have chosen a certain definition of normality and we can choose to expand that to be more inclusive. From what I’ve read about Naomi, she is interested in both the engineering and the social justice aspects of her work. She deserves to be taken seriously and not dismissed simply because of the way she looks.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  I think she is a smart woman and that she intentionally uses sex appeal. I actually don't condemn her for that, but to suggest the animosity exists "because of her looks" is dishonest. It is because she uses sex appeal for marketing herself. I am fine with that, but it is what it is. Some people have a problem with that and I doubt that will ever change and there are also good arguments that it is or should be irrelevant to the topic.
  - prawn 5y ago
    An alternate perspective is that she dresses how she wishes, and other people ascribe that sex appeal regardless. The most outrageously attired of a group of similarly skilled people is likely to draw the most fans and detractors, whether that was their intention or not.
    - raxxorrax 5y ago
      Of course appeal is subjective, but I believe she calls herself sexy cyborg. Denying intent is almost as offensive as a denial of existence I believe. Although there can be cases like that.
      - SexyCyborg 5y ago
        Because if there's anything to judge a person on the basis of, it's Reddit logins they chose when they were 20 and stuck with as they grew in popularity

badRNG 5y ago

>but if you put it out, some people will always judge you on that merit. It will also net you attention and can overshadow your other feats. This is actually a common apologetic in defense of Burqas and similar objects of "modesty" for women.

rob74 5y ago
Of course, once you are at the stage of Burqas, any feats that women may achieve will be strictly limited to their household...

alfiedotwtf 5y ago

> some people will always judge you on that Guess what - some people will judge, or even attack, just because she was a woman. Another example is Australia's political climate the past two days. Naomi is a cool person, and she should be celebrated for doing cool things regardless of how she looks.

SexyCyborg 5y ago

>But the engineering feats alone will never be the focus as a consequence. There's a line between "never be the focus" and "we will erase you". This sort of thing is constant- but I'll give you a recent example- NPR recently ran this story: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/25/1047691984/decades-after-polio-martha-is-among-the-last-to-still-rely-on-an-iron-lung-to-br https://www.npr.org/2021/10/25/1047691984/decades-after-poli... About an American lady who needed some parts for her iron lung and how no one would help her. Only the thing is, they knew I already had: https://youtu.be/4VKZTmTP7oY https://youtu.be/4VKZTmTP7oY I'd fabricated the collars in Shenzhen, mailed the first batch, revised them and needed someone on the US side to to the final fitting. Martha told them this, a quick search told them this, hundreds of people told them this- did NPR revise the story to correct the omission of "oh by the way this problem we were talking about was solved by this female engineer". No of course not. I mean, it's NPR, you think they are going to get smut on their fingers writing about someone who looks like me? Never going to happen. Then the Razer mask story, I was central to it and some outlets gave me credit: https://www.pcgamer.com/razer-rows-back-after-zephyr-face-mask-safety-rating-confusion/ https://www.pcgamer.com/razer-rows-back-after-zephyr-face-ma... Others like the Verge flatly refused to mention my involvement- even jumping through some pretty crazy hoops to avoid it: https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/10/22876303/razer-zephyr-mask-n95-grade-air-purifier-change-marketing https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/10/22876303/razer-zephyr-mas... Again, hundreds of people called them out. But they did the math and decided that the stigma of mentioning someone who looked like me was worse. That's just the last few months- this has been a constant for years. I fully Open Sourced the best selling 3D printer on the planet, have the first five Open Source Hardware Association certifications granted in China- which people said would never happen, have brought multiple Chinese companies into GPL compliance, I'm the only women to have brought a 3D printer to mass-market- a game changing design for small scale manufacturing- the list is long, but somehow, none of it is "appropriate" to cover- just because of how I look. We're well beyond- "does my appearance detract from my work". Of course it does. We're at "does my appearance justify not just complete erasure of my work but constant attempts to deplatform and defund me" I don't think it does.

helmholtz 5y ago
Man, you're sooooo well spoken! I'm loving your responses up and down this thread.
- SexyCyborg 5y ago
  Thank you! I'm an English major and have worked very hard at it- still love to hear it though!
Pixelbrick 5y ago
Well said. Also fair play to you for being prepared to openly identify as who you are, in a part of the world where it's not necessarily as easy to do so as it is for many of us.
bspammer 5y ago
I have never heard of you before (which I guess is just more evidence) but the way you make your point is absolutely brilliant. I will definitely be checking out your channel. I hope you don’t get worn down by the bullshit, we need more people like you in the world.
- SexyCyborg 5y ago
  Thank you!
raxxorrax 5y ago
I believe you might not fit into the story they want to paint onto the tech industry in general. You think your successes would have been harder to achieve if you didn't advertise with sex appeal? You don't need to justify yourself for anything but you still sound like you feel the need to do so. I don't even know their exact angle to be honest, they probably don't want to make the impression that sex appeal is a necessity for success in tech. But that is speculation. I understand the want to keep it "clean" but I hope you can appeal the demonetization.
- 5y ago

meheleventyone 5y ago

We shouldn't accept it though and there is a massive double-standard in the treatment of the merit of women who are also sexy and men who are also sexy. We don’t question the merit of Ronaldo as a footballer because he also uses his body in a sexy way to advertise for example. Another aspect as well is homogenising around the social mores of America by default which particularly in the aspects of sex and sexuality are deeply troubled.

caskstrength 5y ago
> We shouldn't accept it though and there is a massive double-standard in the treatment of the merit of women who are also sexy and men who are also sexy. We don’t question the merit of Ronaldo as a footballer because he also uses his body in a sexy way to advertise for example. Of course we do! I'm not into football, but several of my friends who are dislike him explicitly because of this.
- meheleventyone 5y ago
  Dislike isn't the same thing as questioning his merit as a footballer though. Especially as he is widely heralded as the being one of the best players of all time. I'd also suggest that disliking Ronaldo because he poses in sexy adverts is also pretty closely aligned with the same cultural issues that lead to dismissing women. And whilst I can definitely agree there will be some men who dismiss Ronaldo's merit as a footballer for being too sexy there is a massive difference in degree when compared to the general treatment of women for the same.
  - jacknews 5y ago
    But Ronaldo became famous for his football, not his sexy body. Everyone knows sex sells, but some people (not only men) get upset when they see people promoting themselves with their own sexuality, especially when it's in an unrelated field. I think Naomi is great, but I can see why some people get upset by the way she presents. I wonder how less attractive maker women feel about her, for example?

pm90 5y ago

This seems like a failure of imagination. Or maybe an expectation of seriousness which can only be associated with certain kinds of people who dress and speak a certain way. The reality is that anyone can be really smart and make “serious” contributions and they deserve to be taken seriously regardless of how they choose to dress or present themselves. We have chosen a certain definition of normality and we can choose to expand that to be more inclusive. From what I’ve read about Naomi, she is interested in both the engineering and the social justice aspects of her work. She deserves to be taken seriously and not dismissed simply because of the way she looks.

raxxorrax 5y ago
I think she is a smart woman and that she intentionally uses sex appeal. I actually don't condemn her for that, but to suggest the animosity exists "because of her looks" is dishonest. It is because she uses sex appeal for marketing herself. I am fine with that, but it is what it is. Some people have a problem with that and I doubt that will ever change and there are also good arguments that it is or should be irrelevant to the topic.
- prawn 5y ago
  An alternate perspective is that she dresses how she wishes, and other people ascribe that sex appeal regardless. The most outrageously attired of a group of similarly skilled people is likely to draw the most fans and detractors, whether that was their intention or not.
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    Of course appeal is subjective, but I believe she calls herself sexy cyborg. Denying intent is almost as offensive as a denial of existence I believe. Although there can be cases like that.
    - SexyCyborg 5y ago
      Because if there's anything to judge a person on the basis of, it's Reddit logins they chose when they were 20 and stuck with as they grew in popularity