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In the end a lot of the specifics don't matter much to me. I'm very liberty minded. I'm simply not in favor of excess restrictive mandates from the government.

In the end a lot of the specifics don't matter much to me. I'm very liberty minded. I'm simply not in favor of excess restrictive mandates from the government. And I have absolutely every reason to distrust large pharmaceutical companies that aren't even liable for damages. Everyone else in my household is vaccinated. I've been advised to not get the vaccine for medical risks. A few weeks ago my fiance and I both got COVID. She had it worse than I did despite being vaccinated. 19yp daughter no apparent symptoms at all. My own suggestion was to wear face cover of any kind in groups and close event centers and bars. If we would have done that alone from the beginning it would have been better. But no, at first any mention of covid was racist fear mongering. Then anyone who didn't lock themselves inside was killing grandma. Even now people are comparing being unvaccinated to drink driving despite the vaccinated being every bit as risky to others. It's all political bullshit and I'm ready to be done with it.

EricE 5y ago
Yes, that healthcare has been politicized to the degree that it has is beyond disgusting. That so many doctors are afraid or ignorant about treatments for COVID other than the vaccine or hospitalization is beyond frustrating. It's gotten so bad that you have pharmacists now playing the role of doctor - even lecturing a physician about his care directives for his patients - when it comes to the much maligned "horse dewormer", leading to this lawsuit against Walrmart (where the pharmacy in question was) and another local pharmacy that did the same: https://www.scribd.com/document/553842620/Saliers-v-Walmart-Hy-Vee https://www.scribd.com/document/553842620/Saliers-v-Walmart-... This isn't about "fact checking" so called misinformation - this crap has spilled over and almost forced these people into the hospital where just about everyone agrees it's far better to NOT be forced into the hospital in the first place. The Washington Post is puzzled about a drop in COVID cases that doesn't match the rest of the world: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/22/japan-covid-omicron-falling-cases/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/22/japan-covid-... Funny; they fail to mention in August that the much maligned horse dewormer was authorized as a COVID treatment - and a few weeks later infection rates dropped dramatically and stayed extremely low until the time of that article. How many people ended up in the hospital that didn't have to all because the horse dewormer and HCQ patents expired and there were cheap, generic forms readily available? Isn't it interesting that now that Pfizer has a new pill that all of the sudden the vaccine isn't the sole path to salvation for the planet? Funny that, eh?
- hraedon 5y ago
  Where was ivermectin authorized for use as a COVID treatment? It certainly wasn't approved in the US and it also wasn't (and isn't) authorized in Japan, before or after the date of your WaPo article.
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    IT is authorized for use as an investigational drug to treat covid in the US, but not full approval.
Arainach 5y ago
> Even now people are comparing being unvaccinated to drink driving despite the vaccinated being every bit as risky to others. No, they are not. Any basic statistical analysis shows this. They are still far less likely to catch a disease, and when they do they fight it off better and catch it less severely. This means fewer virus replications, fewer mutations, and fewer chances to spread.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  My understanding is that since delta emmerged, Viral loads are similar in un-vaxed individuals and vaxed individuals with breakthrough infection. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34176397/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34176397/ https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... Would love to read more if there is better data.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  If the data is correct. That is the point the article tries to make. I am astonished how many don't seem to be able to grasp the criticism. That is step one and the next step is to prove the correctness of the data.
dekhn 5y ago
one of my hopes after things calm down a bit is that people will be more reluctant to use the "racist fear mongering" and "killing grandma" arguments. This bothered me back when we had to hear about "death panels" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel and nearly everybody ignored that fact that since we have finite funds, we have to make difficult medical decisions that lead to patient deaths.

EricE 5y ago

Yes, that healthcare has been politicized to the degree that it has is beyond disgusting. That so many doctors are afraid or ignorant about treatments for COVID other than the vaccine or hospitalization is beyond frustrating. It's gotten so bad that you have pharmacists now playing the role of doctor - even lecturing a physician about his care directives for his patients - when it comes to the much maligned "horse dewormer", leading to this lawsuit against Walrmart (where the pharmacy in question was) and another local pharmacy that did the same: https://www.scribd.com/document/553842620/Saliers-v-Walmart-Hy-Vee https://www.scribd.com/document/553842620/Saliers-v-Walmart-... This isn't about "fact checking" so called misinformation - this crap has spilled over and almost forced these people into the hospital where just about everyone agrees it's far better to NOT be forced into the hospital in the first place. The Washington Post is puzzled about a drop in COVID cases that doesn't match the rest of the world: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/22/japan-covid-omicron-falling-cases/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/22/japan-covid-... Funny; they fail to mention in August that the much maligned horse dewormer was authorized as a COVID treatment - and a few weeks later infection rates dropped dramatically and stayed extremely low until the time of that article. How many people ended up in the hospital that didn't have to all because the horse dewormer and HCQ patents expired and there were cheap, generic forms readily available? Isn't it interesting that now that Pfizer has a new pill that all of the sudden the vaccine isn't the sole path to salvation for the planet? Funny that, eh?

hraedon 5y ago
Where was ivermectin authorized for use as a COVID treatment? It certainly wasn't approved in the US and it also wasn't (and isn't) authorized in Japan, before or after the date of your WaPo article.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  IT is authorized for use as an investigational drug to treat covid in the US, but not full approval.

Arainach 5y ago

> Even now people are comparing being unvaccinated to drink driving despite the vaccinated being every bit as risky to others. No, they are not. Any basic statistical analysis shows this. They are still far less likely to catch a disease, and when they do they fight it off better and catch it less severely. This means fewer virus replications, fewer mutations, and fewer chances to spread.

s1artibartfast 5y ago
My understanding is that since delta emmerged, Viral loads are similar in un-vaxed individuals and vaxed individuals with breakthrough infection. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34176397/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34176397/ https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... Would love to read more if there is better data.
raxxorrax 5y ago
If the data is correct. That is the point the article tries to make. I am astonished how many don't seem to be able to grasp the criticism. That is step one and the next step is to prove the correctness of the data.

dekhn 5y ago

one of my hopes after things calm down a bit is that people will be more reluctant to use the "racist fear mongering" and "killing grandma" arguments. This bothered me back when we had to hear about "death panels" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel and nearly everybody ignored that fact that since we have finite funds, we have to make difficult medical decisions that lead to patient deaths.