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> Yeah, the answer is to simply not use Windows. Yeah, no. You either switch to Mac and lose 99% of your applications and some of your hardware. Or you switc

by Ygg2 5y ago

> Yeah, the answer is to simply not use Windows. Yeah, no. You either switch to Mac and lose 99% of your applications and some of your hardware. Or you switch to Linux and lose 90% of your applications and latest hardware; And enjoy random problems and figuring out which of hundred answers online is right. Answer could be none, because for example Wayland support for multiple monitors sucks.

cute_boi 5y ago
It depends what you work on. I have installed popos like 2 years ago. I have 0 issues so far. For web development, nodejs etc. Linux is better than windows by a miles. Not everybody is graphics designer, video editor who needs Photoshop, Microsoft Excel etc. And, I haven't found any random problems at least on PC. It might be problematic in laptop, which I honestly don't know.
- zekica 5y ago
  My last and current laptops work completely fine with linux, but I chose hardware that works fine. The old one is a Latitude E5470, and the new one is a Lenovo Thinkbook 14 G2 ARE (with Ryzen 4700u). Both require no extra drivers, while the new one requires at least kernel 5.10 to work, and works better with 5.13. Both have similar battery life on windows 10 and linux.
- kamray23 5y ago
  Yeah, I run Arch and despite it being a kind of "hobbyist" type system, after the initial configuration, there are no problems or constant maintenance. I have had a few things break sometimes because I accidentally install a partial update, but that's obviously my own fault. Also, part of the problem people have with Linux is that it does not run Windows programs and they complain because they can't get QEMU or VMware or WINE functioning correctly. You shouldn't need those. When you switch to Linux, you lose your software. It's a reality you accept, because that software you used was not designed for Linux. Instead of trying desperately to get your old software to run, you instead use alternatives, be they open or closed, to run what you want. There are more than a few alternatives, many of them having similar or exceeding the power of paid windows-only products.
kelnos 5y ago
If you want to run Linux on a computer, you do your research and build/buy one where the hardware support is there. Most people don't need "latest" hardware; hardware from 2-3 years ago is fine, and, honestly, most latest hardware works fine too -- again, if you do your research. Grabbing a random machine and expecting it to work fine (especially if it's a laptop) will often fail, and that's why people spend hours on forums looking for answers. Long ago I tried to run Linux on Macs. I would always get it to more or less work, but it would take a lot of time and toil. I had the patience for that back then. Now I just buy a Dell XPS 13 and stop worrying about it, because everything works out of the box. It's not my favorite piece of hardware, but it's fine. I also do wonder where all these critical Windows-only applications are. I spend 90% of my computing time in a browser, terminal window, or text editor/IDE. Certainly some people have Windows-only apps (or games) they can't do without, but the vast majority of users out there don't.
- Ygg2 5y ago
  > Grabbing a random machine and expecting it to work fine Not random, but my current machine. How else am I (or random person on the Internet) to migrate to Linux then? Create an entire new machine just for Linux? That is a pretty hefty price. E.g. You bought an expensive nVidia card. Yeah, throw it away. Get AMD. Want dual monitors. Throw one away... I honestly dread switching to Linux. > Certainly some people have Windows-only apps (or games) they can't do without Stuff like Office (not online ones), Adobe suite, video editors, sound editors, etc.
  - mhaberl 5y ago
    > Create an entire new machine just for Linux? That is a pretty hefty price. I understand what you are saying but it is not such a big deal in practice as it may seem. You migrate if your current machine supports linux (you have to do some research), OR you migrate the next time you switch machines. Linux is my daily driver for 15+ years now and the hardware/drivers stuff doesn't bother me at all. I am currently using two xps laptops and one custom built desktop - everything worked out of the box. I had good experience with thinkpads in the past.
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dtx1 5y ago
If you don't like to get raped by $megacorp1 buy $megacorp2 instead! After all, consoom you must, right?
- Ygg2 5y ago
  What?! It's just there isn't a good path. So might as well remain on current thing that works. In my case the $15 Windows.
lpcvoid 5y ago
I have a recent AMD GPU and CPU, which I bought because of AMD's GPU drivers being part of the kernel. I have absolutely no problems with my PC running Ubuntu, it's rock solid and I can play almost any game on Steam via Proton - all while not dealing with Microsoft's shit. Windows where the dark ages for me.
esarbe 5y ago
Aside from some weird GDI printer that refuse to work with any operating system other than Windows I never[0] had any issues with hardware. I recently tried to revive an ancient drawing board and when it didn't work with Linux I - for old habits' sake. Turned out it didn't work with Windows either because it was broken. tldr; Linux' hardware support is excellent these days. [0] Since about 2010. Before that I had lots of issues, especially with graphic cards and broken ALSA drivers and stuff. All of these problems have disappeared for all practical purposes.
spaniard89277 5y ago
Linux has many challenges, but honestly, Macs are way too expensive and closed system (maybe you don't care if you have an US salary, I do) and Microsoft trying to push for BS every update gets really old.
lionkor 5y ago
Back when the 2070 came out I built a machine with that RTX 2070, i7-9700k, some new ram, some new harddrives and ssd(s), m.2 and not, etc. and I have not had any issues with Archlinux. Same experience when I bought my thinkpad L14 AMD, no issues either. Im convinced at this point that the entire "linux is bad on new hardware" is a thing of the past.
- tcmart14 5y ago
  The thing here is, it never technically was. The issue in the past was vendors either writing the drivers like they do windows, but for linux, or producing technical documentation so someone could. Instead, there were lots of times years and years ago, where a lot of drivers had to be reverse engineered. So the hardware on linux being bad, was mostly and issue that at one time, no one cared to write drivers or provide the necessary information.
  - antiterra 5y ago
    If the drivers aren’t there then Linux is bad on that hardware for anyone attempting to use it. It doesn’t matter to the end user that the lack of drivers is the manufacturer’s fault.

by Ygg2 5y ago

cute_boi 5y ago

It depends what you work on. I have installed popos like 2 years ago. I have 0 issues so far. For web development, nodejs etc. Linux is better than windows by a miles. Not everybody is graphics designer, video editor who needs Photoshop, Microsoft Excel etc. And, I haven't found any random problems at least on PC. It might be problematic in laptop, which I honestly don't know.

zekica 5y ago
My last and current laptops work completely fine with linux, but I chose hardware that works fine. The old one is a Latitude E5470, and the new one is a Lenovo Thinkbook 14 G2 ARE (with Ryzen 4700u). Both require no extra drivers, while the new one requires at least kernel 5.10 to work, and works better with 5.13. Both have similar battery life on windows 10 and linux.
kamray23 5y ago
Yeah, I run Arch and despite it being a kind of "hobbyist" type system, after the initial configuration, there are no problems or constant maintenance. I have had a few things break sometimes because I accidentally install a partial update, but that's obviously my own fault. Also, part of the problem people have with Linux is that it does not run Windows programs and they complain because they can't get QEMU or VMware or WINE functioning correctly. You shouldn't need those. When you switch to Linux, you lose your software. It's a reality you accept, because that software you used was not designed for Linux. Instead of trying desperately to get your old software to run, you instead use alternatives, be they open or closed, to run what you want. There are more than a few alternatives, many of them having similar or exceeding the power of paid windows-only products.

kelnos 5y ago

If you want to run Linux on a computer, you do your research and build/buy one where the hardware support is there. Most people don't need "latest" hardware; hardware from 2-3 years ago is fine, and, honestly, most latest hardware works fine too -- again, if you do your research. Grabbing a random machine and expecting it to work fine (especially if it's a laptop) will often fail, and that's why people spend hours on forums looking for answers. Long ago I tried to run Linux on Macs. I would always get it to more or less work, but it would take a lot of time and toil. I had the patience for that back then. Now I just buy a Dell XPS 13 and stop worrying about it, because everything works out of the box. It's not my favorite piece of hardware, but it's fine. I also do wonder where all these critical Windows-only applications are. I spend 90% of my computing time in a browser, terminal window, or text editor/IDE. Certainly some people have Windows-only apps (or games) they can't do without, but the vast majority of users out there don't.

Ygg2 5y ago
> Grabbing a random machine and expecting it to work fine Not random, but my current machine. How else am I (or random person on the Internet) to migrate to Linux then? Create an entire new machine just for Linux? That is a pretty hefty price. E.g. You bought an expensive nVidia card. Yeah, throw it away. Get AMD. Want dual monitors. Throw one away... I honestly dread switching to Linux. > Certainly some people have Windows-only apps (or games) they can't do without Stuff like Office (not online ones), Adobe suite, video editors, sound editors, etc.
- mhaberl 5y ago
  > Create an entire new machine just for Linux? That is a pretty hefty price. I understand what you are saying but it is not such a big deal in practice as it may seem. You migrate if your current machine supports linux (you have to do some research), OR you migrate the next time you switch machines. Linux is my daily driver for 15+ years now and the hardware/drivers stuff doesn't bother me at all. I am currently using two xps laptops and one custom built desktop - everything worked out of the box. I had good experience with thinkpads in the past.
- 5y ago

dtx1 5y ago

If you don't like to get raped by $megacorp1 buy $megacorp2 instead! After all, consoom you must, right?

Ygg2 5y ago
What?! It's just there isn't a good path. So might as well remain on current thing that works. In my case the $15 Windows.

lpcvoid 5y ago

I have a recent AMD GPU and CPU, which I bought because of AMD's GPU drivers being part of the kernel. I have absolutely no problems with my PC running Ubuntu, it's rock solid and I can play almost any game on Steam via Proton - all while not dealing with Microsoft's shit. Windows where the dark ages for me.

esarbe 5y ago

Aside from some weird GDI printer that refuse to work with any operating system other than Windows I never[0] had any issues with hardware. I recently tried to revive an ancient drawing board and when it didn't work with Linux I - for old habits' sake. Turned out it didn't work with Windows either because it was broken. tldr; Linux' hardware support is excellent these days. [0] Since about 2010. Before that I had lots of issues, especially with graphic cards and broken ALSA drivers and stuff. All of these problems have disappeared for all practical purposes.

spaniard89277 5y ago

Linux has many challenges, but honestly, Macs are way too expensive and closed system (maybe you don't care if you have an US salary, I do) and Microsoft trying to push for BS every update gets really old.

lionkor 5y ago

Back when the 2070 came out I built a machine with that RTX 2070, i7-9700k, some new ram, some new harddrives and ssd(s), m.2 and not, etc. and I have not had any issues with Archlinux. Same experience when I bought my thinkpad L14 AMD, no issues either. Im convinced at this point that the entire "linux is bad on new hardware" is a thing of the past.

tcmart14 5y ago
The thing here is, it never technically was. The issue in the past was vendors either writing the drivers like they do windows, but for linux, or producing technical documentation so someone could. Instead, there were lots of times years and years ago, where a lot of drivers had to be reverse engineered. So the hardware on linux being bad, was mostly and issue that at one time, no one cared to write drivers or provide the necessary information.
- antiterra 5y ago
  If the drivers aren’t there then Linux is bad on that hardware for anyone attempting to use it. It doesn’t matter to the end user that the lack of drivers is the manufacturer’s fault.