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I just went and resetted it back to Chrome. Probably someone' house at Kabo at Microsoft depends on some OKR and metrics to show growth for Edge. Pathethic, sh

I just went and resetted it back to Chrome. Probably someone' house at Kabo at Microsoft depends on some OKR and metrics to show growth for Edge. Pathethic, short-sighted, but most probably true.

coryrc 5y ago
> I just went and resetted it back to Chrome. Out of the frying pan into the fire.
- SantiagoElf 5y ago
  I am from Eastern Europe - Hard Bass ADIBAS :D
- premun 5y ago
  Exactly, why would anyone prefer Chrome to Edge? They both are built on the same Chromium core but Google adds a bunch tracking with merging your website logging together with your browser account.
  - tonyedgecombe 5y ago
    Edge interferes with other web sites. I was purchasing an item from Amazon when it started popping up messages about other suppliers. If I didn't make my living writing Windows software I would have left the platform a long time ago.
    - raxxorrax 5y ago
      When they integrated the buy now, pay later function you could make some scathing conclusion about the type of people calling the shots on Edge. What does this have to do with a browser?
  - gambiting 5y ago
    >>Exactly, why would anyone prefer Chrome to Edge? Is this....a real question? I'll bite - because Chrome signs into my google account and it seemlessly remembers everything I do between my PC, my laptop and my phone. I literally couldn't care any less what core it uses, the usability aspect is just better than in Edge.
    - rightbyte 5y ago
      > it seemlessly remembers everything I do between my PC, my laptop and my phone That is not a feature, unless you are OK with Google spying on you.
      - gambiting 5y ago
        How is this not a feature then? Yes I'm ok with my browsing history and bookmarks and tabs and extensions and everything else being synced using google servers because it makes my life easier. To give another example - my Volvo allows me to track every single journey in the app, seeing the electricity/petrol consumption, mileage, start/end date..... Yes it means Volvo now knows all of my travel history. But it also means I get access to functionality that is useful to me. If that's not a feature to you, then don't use it. The question was "why would anyone prefer Chrome" - because it's a very good browser which has useful features. Like, it's not rocket science.
        f1refly 5y ago
        What do you gain from having every single journey in your app and seeing the fuel consumption? Have you ever actually looked at those stats? I think I've never in my life been in a situation where I thought "Dang, I wish I knew how much kilometers my last 18 trips where, if only I had some kind of tracking device that kept these stats for me!"
        rightbyte 5y ago
        And if you need that, my -98 Volvo got a little pin on the dash you can press to zero a sub-odometer. It also reset the fuel consumption average. So, ye, no need for spyware. Google biggest sin is normalizing all these spywares embedded in everything. It is spreading everywhere, even my Samsung TV, and legislators are like 10 years behind were they should have started to "GDPR" everything.
  - ImaCake 5y ago
    Edge has more user hostile “features” at the moment. I use firefox, but make use of chromium for google earth (which runs poorly in firefox on a laptop). I had been using edge for a while, but the constant pop-ups and frequent crashes on MacOS has made me switch back to chrome. Freshly installed chrome has limited pop-up bullshit and doesn’t force itself to be the default. Big wins for me for my backup chromium browser.
  - iqanq 5y ago
    They keep adding features to Edge that nobody has asked for. And they have rewritten parts of the UI, making them much slower. On the other hand, once you disable the Google sign-in feature of Chrome and change the new tab to about:blank, it's the cleanest browser there is - much cleaner than Firefox, which is shovelware at this point, and adds new crap every new major version.
- phendrenad2 5y ago
  Do you think it's okay to just make snide remarks about someone's browser choice on this website? Is that the kind of environment you want HN to be?
- mcsofake 5y ago
  Edge shares literally every single website you visit with Microsoft, even in InPrivate (= Incognito) mode. [1] The worst part is that you have to disable a genuine security feature (i.e., SmartScreen) to prevent this. No other browser makes you choose between security and privacy in this manner. Even Chrome attempts to protect your privacy by doing hash prefix computations for their Safe Browsing feature. Also, at least Chrome lets you set a custom encryption passphrase. Microsoft managed to import every other feature from Chrome, except this one, apparently. Microsoft has somehow done the impossible and beat Google in its own game. Edge is a complete privacy nightmare, only rivaled by the likes of Opera and Yandex browsers. If Chrome is the fire, Edge is a nuclear reactor in meltdown. [1]: https://www.kuketz-blog.de/microsoft-edge-datensendeverhalten-desktop-version-browser-check-teil4/ https://www.kuketz-blog.de/microsoft-edge-datensendeverhalte... (English version: https://www-kuketz--blog-de.translate.goog/microsoft-edge-datensendeverhalten-desktop-version-browser-check-teil4/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en https://www-kuketz--blog-de.translate.goog/microsoft-edge-da...)
sydd 5y ago
yep, they pull this crap every year or so. Then apologize for the "bug".
- hackerfromthefu 5y ago
  They need to be fined for this, every year, according to the number of users affected. The fine needs to outweigh the value of the market gains they make. i.e. it needs to be a real deterrent.
jhanschoo 5y ago
Every time a feature update happens they show the "get started" (iirc) screen over again. Every time if you just click accept/next without reading it resets your default browser and search engine.

I just went and resetted it back to Chrome. Probably someone' house at Kabo at Microsoft depends on some OKR and metrics to show growth for Edge. Pathethic, short-sighted, but most probably true.

coryrc 5y ago

> I just went and resetted it back to Chrome. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

SantiagoElf 5y ago
I am from Eastern Europe - Hard Bass ADIBAS :D
premun 5y ago
Exactly, why would anyone prefer Chrome to Edge? They both are built on the same Chromium core but Google adds a bunch tracking with merging your website logging together with your browser account.
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  Edge interferes with other web sites. I was purchasing an item from Amazon when it started popping up messages about other suppliers. If I didn't make my living writing Windows software I would have left the platform a long time ago.
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    When they integrated the buy now, pay later function you could make some scathing conclusion about the type of people calling the shots on Edge. What does this have to do with a browser?
- gambiting 5y ago
  >>Exactly, why would anyone prefer Chrome to Edge? Is this....a real question? I'll bite - because Chrome signs into my google account and it seemlessly remembers everything I do between my PC, my laptop and my phone. I literally couldn't care any less what core it uses, the usability aspect is just better than in Edge.
  - rightbyte 5y ago
    > it seemlessly remembers everything I do between my PC, my laptop and my phone That is not a feature, unless you are OK with Google spying on you.
    - gambiting 5y ago
      How is this not a feature then? Yes I'm ok with my browsing history and bookmarks and tabs and extensions and everything else being synced using google servers because it makes my life easier. To give another example - my Volvo allows me to track every single journey in the app, seeing the electricity/petrol consumption, mileage, start/end date..... Yes it means Volvo now knows all of my travel history. But it also means I get access to functionality that is useful to me. If that's not a feature to you, then don't use it. The question was "why would anyone prefer Chrome" - because it's a very good browser which has useful features. Like, it's not rocket science.
      - f1refly 5y ago
        What do you gain from having every single journey in your app and seeing the fuel consumption? Have you ever actually looked at those stats? I think I've never in my life been in a situation where I thought "Dang, I wish I knew how much kilometers my last 18 trips where, if only I had some kind of tracking device that kept these stats for me!"
        rightbyte 5y ago
        And if you need that, my -98 Volvo got a little pin on the dash you can press to zero a sub-odometer. It also reset the fuel consumption average. So, ye, no need for spyware. Google biggest sin is normalizing all these spywares embedded in everything. It is spreading everywhere, even my Samsung TV, and legislators are like 10 years behind were they should have started to "GDPR" everything.
- ImaCake 5y ago
  Edge has more user hostile “features” at the moment. I use firefox, but make use of chromium for google earth (which runs poorly in firefox on a laptop). I had been using edge for a while, but the constant pop-ups and frequent crashes on MacOS has made me switch back to chrome. Freshly installed chrome has limited pop-up bullshit and doesn’t force itself to be the default. Big wins for me for my backup chromium browser.
- iqanq 5y ago
  They keep adding features to Edge that nobody has asked for. And they have rewritten parts of the UI, making them much slower. On the other hand, once you disable the Google sign-in feature of Chrome and change the new tab to about:blank, it's the cleanest browser there is - much cleaner than Firefox, which is shovelware at this point, and adds new crap every new major version.
phendrenad2 5y ago
Do you think it's okay to just make snide remarks about someone's browser choice on this website? Is that the kind of environment you want HN to be?
mcsofake 5y ago
Edge shares literally every single website you visit with Microsoft, even in InPrivate (= Incognito) mode. [1] The worst part is that you have to disable a genuine security feature (i.e., SmartScreen) to prevent this. No other browser makes you choose between security and privacy in this manner. Even Chrome attempts to protect your privacy by doing hash prefix computations for their Safe Browsing feature. Also, at least Chrome lets you set a custom encryption passphrase. Microsoft managed to import every other feature from Chrome, except this one, apparently. Microsoft has somehow done the impossible and beat Google in its own game. Edge is a complete privacy nightmare, only rivaled by the likes of Opera and Yandex browsers. If Chrome is the fire, Edge is a nuclear reactor in meltdown. [1]: https://www.kuketz-blog.de/microsoft-edge-datensendeverhalten-desktop-version-browser-check-teil4/ https://www.kuketz-blog.de/microsoft-edge-datensendeverhalte... (English version: https://www-kuketz--blog-de.translate.goog/microsoft-edge-datensendeverhalten-desktop-version-browser-check-teil4/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en https://www-kuketz--blog-de.translate.goog/microsoft-edge-da...)

sydd 5y ago

yep, they pull this crap every year or so. Then apologize for the "bug".

hackerfromthefu 5y ago
They need to be fined for this, every year, according to the number of users affected. The fine needs to outweigh the value of the market gains they make. i.e. it needs to be a real deterrent.

jhanschoo 5y ago

Every time a feature update happens they show the "get started" (iirc) screen over again. Every time if you just click accept/next without reading it resets your default browser and search engine.