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At this point, you’re either vaccinated, have been sick or are dead, so all good. With Omicron beating out Delta and not causing as many hospitalizations - sur
by akmarinov 5y ago
At this point, you’re either vaccinated, have been sick or are dead, so all good.
With Omicron beating out Delta and not causing as many hospitalizations - sure, why not.
- nkrisc 5y agoUnless you’re someone with a child under 5 who hasn’t been able to get vaccinated yet. My wife and I are fully vaccinated + booster but we are still choosing to be extra careful because our 4 year old can’t get vaccinated yet. So it’s a little frustrating to hear people talk like this when not everyone can get vaccinated yet.
- akmarinov 5y agoChild death rate is basically 0
- PragmaticPulp 5y agoDeath isn’t the only negative outcome. Omicron has a higher propensity to infect the upper respiratory tract, which is less developed in young children. You need to forget what you’ve heard about older variants and children. Look at the stats. More kids are being hospitalized in this wave and more deaths are occurring per capita in 0-14 year olds. It’s not good.
- djrogers 5y ago> more deaths are occurring per capita in 0-14 year olds. Citation please? Current CDC data don’t show enough deaths in that age range to be statistically significant, let alone provide that conclusion.
- nkrisc 5y agoHaving personally known a 2 year old who was severely ill from COVID-19, I'll do what I can to prevent that happening to my child. Statistics mean nothing once something bad has happened to you. It's not like having been struck by lightning is less bad because the odds of happening to you were low. I will do what I can to stack the odds in our favor.
- blindmute 5y agoWhat you're doing is hearing that your friend got struck by lightning, and then deciding to never walk outside while it's raining. If you knew someone who got severe myocarditis from the vaccine, would you then become anti vax? Or does your fear only go in media approved directions?
- thejackgoode 5y agoSame goes for a child walking or using public transport to school, but almost everyone drives them. Endangering a child in a preventable way is now a socially punishable behavior
- lotsofpulp 5y agoParents may be choosing to value the benefits of the child playing with other children more than the tail risk of a viral infection. I am not saying one is right or wrong, but I think it is valid to look at all the other viral infections kids are exposed to and cannot be vaccinated against, and realize they just have to roll the dice. In the past 4 years, my kids have had RSV, a noro or rotavirus, probably Covid at least once, and a numerous other viruses. RSV/noro were the worst, but if they are going to play with other kids, it is all but guaranteed they will have something. I am actually most afraid of noro/rota viruses, far more than Covid. That thing tore through the entire daycare and shutdown multiple classes within 2 days, and the cleanup from all the vomit was crazy.
- distances 5y agoWhere do almost all parents drive kids to school? In the US?
- stephenhuey 5y agoYes, in a lot of the US. I know so few people who do not drive kids to school that the outliers are remarkable.
- nkrisc 5y agoCool. Can you say the same for my elderly relatives that would like to spend time around our child? I’m not as worried about the child as I’m worried about him spreading it to someone who won’t be spared.
- encryptluks2 5y agoIs the action of your elderly relatives spending a lot of time around your child worth compromising your child's normal youth and mental health?
- nkrisc 5y agoPlease elaborate: in what way is our child's normal youth and mental health being compromised? Are you spying on us? How do you know what we're doing?
- t0bia_s 5y agoVaccines wont give you imminity for spreading virus. Inform yourself, please.
- nkrisc 5y agoOf course not, and I never stated as such. That's why even though I'm vaccinated I still wear mask in crowded public places. From the informing of myself I've done, the studies I've seen on the topic so far do suggest reduced transmission by vaccinated individuals. If you know studies that show otherwise, please share them I'd love to read them. We're trying to balance multiple factors: living our life normally, protecting ourselves, protecting family members we still interact with. We take some known risks: sending child to preschool, while taking known precautions: wearing masks, getting vaccinated. If being vaccinated reduces the chance that we might spread the virus to someone, then that's a marginal advantage we'll stack in our favor.
- t0bia_s 5y agoYou can find "study" on everything. So it is a matter of trust. I prefer to do study offline and talk with people personaly about their experiences. Oh wait... Is it dangerous? Living normally is probably only one thing that we can do. Vaccines, masks, lockdowns... None works. But if we are daily exposed to news with fear agenda, we will never live normally again. We shoul live, not survive and loose our time. Btw... Reduced chance of spreading virus wont make people immune to catch it. But yet... Gonverments consider vaccinated people as immune. Why?
- orobinson 5y agoThat's because the chances of serious illness with Covid in under 5s is extremely small. Here in the UK nobody under 12 has been vaccinated except those who are extremely vulnerable. The data for England[0] puts the death rate within 28 days of a positive test in the 0-4 age group at 0.8 per 100,000. I believe there are around 3 million children in that age group in the UK so that works out as 24 deaths in that age group in the UK throughout the entire pandemic. Obviously that's a tragic number and awful for the affected families, but at the same time you have to put the risk to your children in perspective for your own sanity. My kids are 2 and 5 - they've both had Covid at least once, possibly twice and it was indistinguishable from all the other colds they've had since the pandemic hit. [0] https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation%26areaName=England#card-death_rates_within_28_days_of_positive_test_by_age_and_sex https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nati...
- nkrisc 5y agoI’m worried about him spreading it to immuno-compromised relatives.
- orobinson 5y agoUnderstandable. Although vaccinations have proven only partially effective at preventing you getting covid so even if he was vaccinated you wouldn’t be in a much better position in that regard.
- nkrisc 5y agoYou might be right, but we’re erring on the side of caution. There are many things we can’t control so we’re focusing on the things we can.
- zestyping 5y agoI don't know what the parent of your comment is talking about. Vaccination shots 6+ months ago are not that effective any more, but if you got a booster shot recently, it's very effective. It reduces your chances of getting COVID by a factor of 5 to 10.
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- blindmute 5y agoI'm not vaccinated, have not been sick, don't know anyone who has been sick, do know many other unvaccinated people, and I live in a normal metropolitan area.
- Mizza 5y agoAm I fucking crazy for not knowing what's going on any more? US hospitalizations are at an all time high, 2000 people are still dying every day, and it feels like everybody is just okay with that now. What happened? I get that everybody is tired of it, I am too, but it feels like we wasted two years of everybody's life just the take the bullet anyway.
- lk251 5y agoI don't think you're crazy or alone in thinking that way. As I said on my other comment, not only overall deaths but the frequent serious sequelae are concerning.
- fbrncci 5y agoIs Delta still dominant in the US? First time I am checking the US Covid stats in months, and it seems like both deaths and hospitalizations in the US are rising. The opposite is true for most of Europe, where omicron cases are rising exponentiallly, but deaths and hospitalizations are falling flat.
- maxerickson 5y agoOmicron is dominant. Full vaccination is at about 65%, boosters are at about 25%, lower than much of Europe.
- floxy 5y agoPercent of US Population At least Fully one dose Vaxed Boosted Total 75.4% 63.3% 39.5% Population ≥ 5 Years of Age 80.1% 67.3% Population ≥ 12 Years of Age 85.3% 72.1% Population ≥ 18 Years of Age 87.3% 73.8% 42.6% Population ≥ 65 Years of Age 95% 88.2% 62.7% https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-...
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- IgorPartola 5y agoYoungest kids aren’t eligible for vaccinations yet, are they? Sure they are in a lower risk group but if you have a 3 year old you likely don’t want all restrictions lifted quite yet.
- bequanna 5y agoUnless your toddler has some serious co-morbidities they are in a super low risk group if they contract. The number of hospitalizations/deaths under age 18 are incredibly small.
- IgorPartola 5y agoTwo things. First, low != zero. Second, it isn’t always about taking the most pragmatic approach but the most humanitarian one. People during this whole pandemic have been very cavalier with putting others at risk to not get inconvenienced. “Your kid probably won’t die” is not a winning argument.
- bcoughlan 5y agoYour false statement is that people are just inconvenienced. Younger generations will be picking up the tab for our actions.
- IgorPartola 5y agoIf you are talking about the lost economic opportunity then you truly need to weigh that against the lives lost and ones that were saved and provide a very rigorous justification why you are ok sacrificing human lives for that particular cause.
- Brybry 5y agoHospitalizations in some states have not been good in the omicron + delta wave. Virginia, highest wave peak recorded, including ICU and ventilations: https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/see-the-numbers/covid-19-in-virginia/vhha-hospitalizations/ https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/see-the-numbers/cov... New York, second highest wave peak and highest new admissions per day: https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summary https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summ...
- PragmaticPulp 5y ago> At this point, you’re either vaccinated, have been sick or are dead, so all good. Or you’re too young for the vaccine. Hospitalizations among 0-1 year olds are significantly up with Omicron. Even 1-14 year olds represent a sizable portion of hospitalizations in many states, presumably biased toward those in that age group too young for the vaccine. Being a parent of young children is not great right now as Omicron gets worse for children and everyone else in the world seems to have given up on helping you reduce your risk of your young kids catching it.
- akmarinov 5y agoEven though hospitalizations are up, death rate is basically 0 Sure, it sucks, but there are a lot of diseases out there that can put your child in the hospital that we’re not imposing restrictions for.
- t0bia_s 5y agoStatistically... For kids is much more dangerous to sit in car or have parents alcoholic. Just because it is not in news and we used to it, it doesn't change fact, that kids suffering and die because of other s*its.
- mabbo 5y agoIt's not causing as many hospitalizations per infection. But it's causing far more overall hospitalizations because the increase in infections vastly outweighs the decrease in seriousness. The problem is and always has been "what if the health care system is overwhelmed".
- jseban 5y agoWhat if the health care isn't overwhelmed? Which it isn't. With that reasoning you can never remove the restrictions, because you never know if that would overwhelm the health care system.
- thedrbrian 5y agoDefine sick. I just sat at home with no sense of smell or taste for 2 weeks.
- momirlan 5y agoI'm none of the three, amazingly.
- weberer 5y agoMany people have had infections while showing no symptoms. You'd really need an antigen test to be sure.